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Thread: Solo Jedi....HOW! Crazy 3 BH attack fails!

bmill
Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:06 pm
#1

It's not out of the question for a Master Defender to do this to you. It doesn't sound like he was fighting back though, and then was able to concentrate his force usage into defense and healing. When Jedi fight back AND use their force for defense and healing it goes faster. Master defenders with good healing are very hard to put down solo, but not impossible...


I've seen Mdefs who can stand off 2 Jedi and a BH (me) in PvP for about 20 minutes before they can be put down. It stands to reason that 3 BH's would have a more difficult time with it. The good news is that most (at least on my server) Jedi aren't Master Defenders, for some reason.



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Ulrek_Oden
Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:14 pm
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what weapons... what kind of damage stats on them were you using?



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Whrlwnd13
Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:17 pm
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I have a slightly similar story to tell. My alt is a MBH MRifle with CM 4000.


I've never hunted a jedi b4 but last night a i tried dueling with guildie who just completed his Master Defender template.Since i've been lazyI haven't had a chance to make myBH alt some kickass enhanced weapons. He's been using a 900+dmg low sacT-21and it's worked great for theNPC Marks.


Well I've only PVP'd a few times so i'm not a pro. but i was very dissappointed to find that the most that I could hit my jedi friend for was a max 326 dmg... most hits were around 150 dmg. Even without his force armor i still couldn't hit him to make any significant damage. would have had better luck with a slingshot against a krayt dragon.


I don't have the best armor but he was hitting me pretty hard probably around 500-700dmg per shot.


Theshot that got to me was when i tried an area attack and hit him for about 120 dmg and killed some random npc near the starport in the same shot at 1400+ damage.


I'm sure I could do better with an enhancedKinetic rifle some speed attachments and probably more practice at pvp. I guess my biggest question is will I have the same results with jedi that haven't finished their template? what kind of numbers do other BHs get when attacking a full template MD jedi?


I'd appreciate any advice any BH's out there have to offer..





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mindspat
Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:30 pm
#4


My build is: Lightsaber Mastery, Defender 0044, Enhancer 3402, Healer 4000.


I've been able to take on more then one at once and have a good track record. I'm willing to bet he was using a Focus crystal & at least one holocron to make it through that encounter. Also, he was likely about 2 seconds away from being toast before he escaped. Trust me.




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Bladius
Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:40 pm
#5


This and similar experiences that have all fallen in the Jedi's favor is why I won't waste my time anymore with Jedi bounties. I don't care to have the chance to win a fight 10% of the time.


Wasting 90% of my time and credits is not fun. It's great they are the Alpha class and supposedly we are the semi Alpha class (Advanced Tank is the description of our class) that can fight them, but I am failing to see the fun and anything resembling an equal fight between the two classes. Lets not discuss people who have lame Jedi or BH templates, those wins/losses are due to poor templating and some skill.


I am beginning to think 90% of the BH's claiming they are killing Jedi are full of sh!t. Sure if you bide your time and wait for that one lucky moment, AFK, LD, incapped by creature or another player you get a kill..whoohoo..fun.


I have more fun stabbing myself in the eye...which hunting NPC's is like anyways.


Till the combat system's current exploits, over powered sabers, force powers that ignore armor and hybrid Jediare adjusted somehow..it's a waste of time.


The only people who even have a chance are those that have put 1+ yearsofinvestments in their BH weapons, SEAs and have a near unlimited bank account to afford the food, vehicles, droids, weaponsand armor (that last all of5-6fights).


I have yet to come across a Jedi thatis not fully template (whether full Jedi orintentional hybrid using RIS armor andusing LS or some type of melee weapon)that doesn't run (somehow I have only come across one Paddie, the rest were all Knights and Masters). Of course the ones that stay and fight, eventually win through attrition (FR, cloak, recharge, return to fight) or get you with KD bug and rip you up inone minute or less.


Message Edited by Bladius on 09-23-2005 03:41 PM



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Ruki988
Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:58 pm
#6

Gotta catch them with their pants down. If they don't go down in 5 shots...run. Run fast and run far cause they will get you.





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Ubahvamp
Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:59 pm
#7

I can take down MDEF/MLS just takes forever. Let the dots do some dmg and my scatter is pretty nice. 7160 RIS with +350 health. It all comes down to wearing him out of force, in the water thats much harder but droids make it better. There is NOTHING better then getting a root to land while he is swimming and with in range of the HLC.


I dont think ive lost to a post cu saber tho. but Precu certianly tear it up.



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Frag99
Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:00 pm
#8






Bladius wrote:


This and similar experiences that have all fallen in the Jedi's favor is why I won't waste my time anymore with Jedi bounties. I don't care to have the chance to win a fight 10% of the time.


Wasting 90% of my time and credits is not fun. It's great they are the Alpha class and supposedly we are the semi Alpha class (Advanced Tank is the description of our class) that can fight them, but I am failing to see the fun and anything resembling an equal fight between the two classes. Lets not discuss people who have lame Jedi or BH templates, those wins/losses are due to poor templating and some skill.


I am beginning to think 90% of the BH's claiming they are killing Jedi are full of sh!t. Sure if you bide your time and wait for that one lucky moment, AFK, LD, incapped by creature or another player you get a kill..whoohoo..fun.


I have more fun stabbing myself in the eye...which hunting NPC's is like anyways.


Till the combat system's current exploits, over powered sabers, force powers that ignore armor and hybrid Jediare adjusted somehow..it's a waste of time.


The only people who even have a chance are those that have put 1+ yearsofinvestments in their BH weapons, SEAs and have a near unlimited bank account to afford the food, vehicles, droids, weaponsand armor (that last all of5-6fights).


I have yet to come across a Jedi thatis not fully template (whether full Jedi orintentional hybrid using RIS armor andusing LS or some type of melee weapon)that doesn't run (somehow I have only come across one Paddie, the rest were all Knights and Masters). Of course the ones that stay and fight, eventually win through attrition (FR, cloak, recharge, return to fight) or get you with KD bug and rip you up inone minute or less.



Message Edited by Bladius on 09-23-2005 03:41 PM




Bladius, I am thinking you are probably right. I don't see how a non-CM can kill1 vs. 1. Even a CM ....if the jedi doesn't want to fight, its not like a BH/CM can pour out enough damage to keep them from running. I am not going to quit trying just yet, but this experience could not be termed anything more then negative . Pre CU my wife and I would hunt with a guildie and go after knights together. My guildie had an uber 1000+ damage looted laster rifle. I was the tank. I would go in with a gafi and dizzy them and try to posture down then he and my wife would blaze away with the rifle and a carbine. We had 7 kills and only2 defeats....it was a blast trying to kill the Knights before they could FR2. Everyone complained then about the Jedi being overpowered, but it was great fun taking on Knights. The current setup seems almost futile...if this is what fighting a Master Defender is like, I hope I don't run into another one lol....I won't be holding my breath on that one.


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Marssk
Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:06 pm
#9

Some jedi are just..good. I've beaten master defenders before, but tehre are some jedi who are just impossible to kill. I have bette rthan 10% victories, liek somebody above said, so just keep tryign and you'll either get better or pick a worse mark



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ocili
Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:13 pm
#10






Frag99 wrote:


How in the world do you guys solo jedi?


Here's a little story of a hunt last night.I just returnedfrom a long vacation from SWG. Two guildmates and I decided to try and prove or disprove the that multiple BH's could get the same jedi's mission by checking the jedi's price. After 20 minutes of trying to find duplicate prices we gave up and decided to just try and get oneon the same planet. To all of our surpises we all got a jedi on Endor (it was about 2 am so maybe there weren't many jedi on). We all managed to get the same jedi for different prices...go figure.


Anyway this is were it gets interesting..I am MBH/MCarb/CM 4 0 0 0, my guildie is MBH/MRifles with root from somewhere, the last guildie involved is MBH/MCM/some pistols. We tracked the target to a lake on Endor. He was a fair distance from the lake when we hit him. We rooted him, poisoned him, bled him and just generally shot the crap out of him, 3 of us. He still managed to get to the water, at this point we pulled combat droids and started shooting him in the water. He promptly swam at super speed away from the droids....which could not keep up for some unknown reason. He pulled his bike after recharging his force ( I presume) heckling us all the way. As soon as he hit land we blew up his bike and proceeded to again root, DOT, shoot the crap out of him ( 3 BHs ..). We could not seem to get his mind to go and he kept his health above 1/2 pretty much the whole time. He again makes it to water as we get ever closer to the starport. We tried to detonate 2 bomb driods on him, but they didn't even dent his health while he was swimming.


He kept standing in the water and healing himself...I am not sure how this works but it was like he could walk on water. Finally, he gets out of the water and pulls out one of the new 100% terrain negotiation speederbikes. I tried to blow up the speeder with my droid as he was out of range of my carbine, but it was hitting him instead....very odd. We get to the starport and he is running around the buildings trying to get to the ticket area. Again we are rooting, knocking down, bleeding, poisoning all that stuff. He runs into the terminal and disappears...with 3 BHs constantly shooting him. His guildies were all over Dantooine reporting back to him where we were. We wanted to try and catch him coming into one of the ports. He finally logs out. I told his guildie "Man Jedi are crazy tough to kill know." His guildie says "He's a Master Defender."....as if that explains the whole incident.


Granted I haven't played SWG much since hurricane CU hit, but I was using a nice proton carbine from a quest and never once ran out of action or mind constantly spamming specials like knockdown, stun, blind, cripple,and torsoshot. We had buffs and food and none of us were in an danger of dieing at any point. My guildmates have better weapons then I am carrying and we didn't make a dent in the fella.


So I ask all of the successful post CU BH's, if a jedi decides to run instead of fight....how in the world does a lone BH kill one. Back before CU I had a nice string of dead Jedi's even a couple Knights I am stumped on how you guys are doing it now. Pre-CU it was hit them so hard so fast they never got the chance to run, with root and everything we can hold them up longer but they actually seem to be in less danger then before. I had blast trying, but it was pathetic that 3 of us couldn't take this guy down.


Where did we go wrong?



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Frag99
Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:04 pm
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ocili wrote:



don't spam stat shots, spam your hardest hitting specials.





Yeah, this is a definate. I wasn't thinking about the crazy high state defense master defenders get....state shots are probably a waste of time in that regard.



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kismetg33k
Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:16 pm
#12


as a test, my Master Defender roommate, a fellow BH and I got together on the roof of our guildhouse to see if a MDEF could just stand there if he didn't fight back.


Both my friend and I had Doctor Adrenaline buffs on (my friend was MBH/MD), and we started attacking him with our highest damage specials as quickly as we could. All he did was throw up force aura, valor and infusion while giving himself an occasional heal. During the 15 minutes of attack, we barely scratched him. he was fine on force and mind. By not using any force fighting back, he made himself almost invunerable.


That really opened my eyes as to what a Master Defender could do if he didn't feel like fighting.



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Eleutherios
Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:48 pm
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kismetg33k wrote:


as a test, my Master Defender roommate, a fellow BH and I got together on the roof of our guildhouse to see if a MDEF could just stand there if he didn't fight back.


Both my friend and I had Doctor Adrenaline buffs on (my friend was MBH/MD), and we started attacking him with our highest damage specials as quickly as we could. All he did was throw up force aura, valor and infusion while giving himself an occasional heal. During the 15 minutes of attack, we barely scratched him. he was fine on force and mind. By not using any force fighting back, he made himself almost invunerable.


That really opened my eyes as to what a Master Defender could do if he didn't feel like fighting.





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