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Thread: Do jedi saber throws count as melee attacks or ranged attacks?

ScoutTrooperLT
Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:40 pm
#1

I know that most (if not all) jedi lightsaber specials count as melee attacks. But do jedi saber throws count as melee attacks or ranged attacks?


In other words, is it melee defense that helps against saber throws? Or is it ranged defense that helps against saber throws?


If anyone knows the answer to this question for sure, please enlighten me. Thanks



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RubicksCube
Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:41 pm
#2

good question



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ice33b
Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:47 pm
#3

Saber throw is melee attack.



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ScoutTrooperLT
Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:49 pm
#4

Yeah, currently I have some space left for a drink. I was looking at Elshandruu Pica Thundercloud. +92 Ranged Defense, 16 filling, 18 minute duration.


I was thinking "Hey, as a rifleman with long range, jedi have always used their saber throw attacks on me a lot. What if I got this Pica Thundercloud food to raise my defense a lot to it". But I want to make sure that the saber attacks are considered "ranged" before I go out and buy a lot. If the saber attacks are considered melee, I'd just be wasting my money.



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ice33b
Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:12 pm
#5

Actually you wont be wasting your money with the way defenses are currently working. Your overall defense modifier is based off your highest defense, which as Rifleman is ranged. So your ranged defense covers all range attacks as well as melee attacks. Drinking Thundercloud and unequip/requip your weapon will raise that defense by +100 and will work vs melee and range attacks. There is a big post on it in the Chef forums



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Zemon
Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:47 pm
#6

Interesting question.


The Range CA's help Powers and Saber throw. Yet the Saber is a melee weapon. No other melee weapon can be thrown. One posted above that the saber throw was melee. Do ye have any proff or stronge evidence to suport the theory?





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Chaind2f8
Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:05 pm
#7






Zemon wrote:

Interesting question.


The Range CA's help Powers and Saber throw. Yet the Saber is a melee weapon. No other melee weapon can be thrown. One posted above that the saber throw was melee. Do ye have any proff or stronge evidence to suport the theory?








It has been stated in the past that it is a melee attack but if you want to test it for yourself simply equip a PSG and let someone do a Saber Throw at you. Since it still counts as a melee attack then the PSG will do nothing. While he is throwing his weapon at you from a range you are still being hit by a melee weapon.





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Rawhes
Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:06 pm
#8






Zemon wrote:

Interesting question.


The Range CA's help Powers and Saber throw. Yet the Saber is a melee weapon. No other melee weapon can be thrown. One posted above that the saber throw was melee. Do ye have any proff or stronge evidence to suport the theory?







It doesn't matter, there was a huge post about defenses, yes with stats, dont remember where though. Anyway your ranged/melee degense depends on if you're holding a melee or ranged weapon. If you have a melee weapon, it's your melee defense that is taken into account and vice versa.



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Quiet420
Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:07 pm
#9






ice33b wrote:
Actually you wont be wasting your money with the way defenses are currently working. Your overall defense modifier is based off your highest defense, which as Rifleman is ranged. So your ranged defense covers all range attacks as well as melee attacks. Drinking Thundercloud and unequip/requip your weapon will raise that defense by +100 and will work vs melee and range attacks. There is a big post on it in the Chef forums




guys...read this post...he is correct....it does not matter....if your wielding a rifle, your ranged/rifle defense is the only defense that applies....against any attack....regardless of if you are being attacked with a melee or ranged weapon.
Zemon
Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:19 pm
#10

Let us take the advice of the three above posts:


Chanind2f8 tells us it has been proven to be a melee attack.


Rawhes says it doesn't matter, it's based on what weapon you are holding.


Quiet420 agrees with Rawhes.


SOoooooo


Who the question is no longer valid and your defenses are based on the weapon you have equiped. I understand that is the way it works, I still have to ask: Does that make sense to anyone?





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Quiet420
Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:21 pm
#11


it's a melee weapon that is used at range...could go either way....what doesn't make sense to me is that the elemental protection on all armors are equal against all elements....what's up with that?


btw...melee defense SHOULD protect against melee attacks, not ranged and ranged defense SHOULD protect against ranged attacks not melee..but that's asking too much of a understaffed, over worked, and uncommitted development studio...I had a dream that turbine is interested in buying the license for SWG after they release LOTRO....one dream I hope will come true.

Message Edited by Quiet420 on 09-29-2005 12:28 AM

Zemon
Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:31 pm
#12






Quiet420 wrote:


it's a melee weapon that is used at range...could go either way....what doesn't make sense to me is that the elemental protection on all armors are equal against all elements....what's up with that?


btw...melee defense SHOULD protect against melee attacks, not ranged and ranged defense SHOULD protect against ranged attacks not melee..but that's asking too much of a understaffed, over worked, and uncommitted development studio...I had a dream that turbine is interested in buying the license for SWG after they release LOTRO....one dream I hope will come true.

Message Edited by Quiet420 on 09-29-2005 12:28 AM





The twist and turns the debates alway take. Armor is equial in elemtntal damage, only because your armorsmith made it that way. Layers can be used to strenghen two and weaken the ohter two, same as kinetic and energy.


And I totaly agree on the SHOULD part, but I'm not a Dev.... oh well.





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Indiana-Reayle
Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:35 am
#13






ScoutTrooperLT wrote:

I know that most (if not all) jedi lightsaber specials count as melee attacks. But do jedi saber throws count as melee attacks or ranged attacks?


In other words, is it melee defense that helps against saber throws? Or is it ranged defense that helps against saber throws?


If anyone knows the answer to this question for sure, please enlighten me. Thanks






All lightsaber attacks are considered "melee" attacks. With the question about weapons posed, consider the following: MBH/MCM with tapes and food you have X amount of ranged and X amount melee def (I dont have my prof calc on hand to give actual numbers). With specific weapon profs you will get rifle def, pistol def, or carb def depending on which you have. This will account for the different numbers/thoughts you are getting on holding a different weapon. These "profession specific" defenses will add on to your ranged/melee defenses this will acount for different damage outputs depending on which weapon you hold.



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