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Thread: Do NOT let people tell you that MBH / MCM is overpowered!

Spookibus
Fri Aug 26, 2005 8:39 am
#1

There seems to be an assumption among many that MBH / MCM is the "uber-1337" BH template, and that there's nothing better. This is especially prevalent among our good friends in the Jedi forum.


However, the right Jedi template can pick an MBH / MCM apart. In particular, I find fighting Jedi with a lot of Powers in their template extremely difficult, much more so than even the MDEF types. Master Powers have a lot of tricks at their disposal, some of which bypass armor and, if used properly, make CM debuffs like Thyroid Rupture all but useless. Likewise, the states line of Jedi Healer wipes out all a CM's DoTs and states.


These guys give up a lot of offense and defense to do have an effective anti-CM template, though, so this leaves them vulnerable to BH templates more focused on damage dealing or position control (Pistols/Carbs/Rifles).


Yeah, MCM / MBH is a good template. But there are Jedi templates that make it completely ineffective.



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KJFett3
Fri Aug 26, 2005 9:13 am
#2

You should fear an Enhancer that knows his temp even more so. They have resist state buffs that make it hard to stick anything on them and if you get the upper hand or get their mind down, they just /stasis you, exit combat, /sit and get their mind back to 100% or just Frun 3 away.


Just as any jedi should fear a BH that knows their template, any BH should fear a jedi that knows theirs. CM is not overpowered. Its just not understood by many of the newer jedi.





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SpunkyKuma
Fri Aug 26, 2005 9:17 am
#3

ALOT of MBH/MCM has no real problem against the young or post-CU MLS/MDef, but it's a totally different situation against an old-timer, master powers or even master enhancer (and the raretest yet, master healer). MLS isn't always an issue since you can kite, and the recon armor with armorbreak reduction tied with super good heals makes it harder for most MLS Jedi to bring you down effectively enough.

There has to be a reason why 75% of the BH population prefers MBH/MCM/(rifle 4000 or pistol 0004) but I'm not going to go into that, it's said by many an "I win" against the majority of Jedi while it's an instant "oh crap" against the very minority of Jedi. Master powers is alot rarer than you're saying it is.

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Tanks
Fri Aug 26, 2005 9:31 am
#4

In most cases it comes down to knowing your template AND being prepared. There are a lot of MBH/MCM BHs out there that do not know what they are doing or lacking in preparation. Heck, it took me a while to learn to play that template on an alt way before it became FOTM.


There are also a lot Jedi that also do not know how to play their template. When both parties know their templates is when the fun starts (if you call a 45 min fight fun ).





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Lethian_Tulkhas
Fri Aug 26, 2005 9:35 am
#5

as long as hes not a MD/MLS with an uber saber ill win if they fight

If hes got cloak he will get away

if hes got root/fr then hes got a good chance to escape


MBH/MCM/pistoleer stuff



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Rogue-Elite
Fri Aug 26, 2005 9:38 am
#6






Tanks wrote:

In most cases it comes down to knowing your template AND being prepared. There are a lot of MBH/MCM BHs out there that do not know what they are doing or lacking in preparation. Heck, it took me a while to learn to play that template on an alt way before it became FOTM.


There are also a lot Jedi that also do not know how to play their template. When both parties know their templates is when the fun starts (if you call a 45 min fight fun ).







Its became FoTm because its the only way to make damagewith the DOTs, My template is MBH Mpistoleer CM 4000 with au Uber FWG5, and its just pointlessI could fight all day with a full template without get an incap.


Its ridiculus !



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SpunkyKuma
Fri Aug 26, 2005 9:42 am
#7

"Its became FoTm because its the only way to make damage with the DOTs, My template is MBH Mpistoleer CM 4000 with au Uber FWG5, and its just pointless I could fight all day with a full template without get an incap.

Its ridiculus !



this game is so balanced, we cant beat each other. GJ SOE we all SUCK "


Ah at least someone else with the same problem as I, many of my Jedi hunts are 30-60+ mins long, it's very tiring.

But, I've watched a skilled MBH/MCM kill a pre-CU knight in minutes while in Theed, then I've seen a skilled MLS/MDef in MO duel a MBH/MCM and kill that BH in minutes, with that MBH/MCM it's really a gamble. With my template, it's a definate endurance test, I don't go down easily.



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Rogue-Elite
Fri Aug 26, 2005 9:45 am
#8






SpunkyKuma wrote:
"Its became FoTm because its the only way to make damage with the DOTs, My template is MBH Mpistoleer CM 4000 with au Uber FWG5, and its just pointless I could fight all day with a full template without get an incap.

Its ridiculus !



this game is so balanced, we cant beat each other. GJ SOE we all SUCK "


Ah at least someone else with the same problem as I, many of my Jedi hunts are 30-60+ mins long, it's very tiring.

But, I've watched a skilled MBH/MCM kill a pre-CU knight in minutes while in Theed, then I've seen a skilled MLS/MDef in MO duel a MBH/MCM and kill that BH in minutes, with that MBH/MCM it's really a gamble. With my template, it's a definate endurance test, I don't go down easily.





QFE lol

But im so disapointed now, i might drop MBH to get MRIFLE, and a carbs tree



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TheGreatFreyr
Fri Aug 26, 2005 9:52 am
#9

i dont think mcm/mbh is overpowered, jus need to fix the stuff that's bugged. like thyroid rupture wouldn't be as overpowering if saber speed went from modded speed insted of base. my base is 2.8 while my modded is like 1.6 the dots i dont see doing enough damage to be overpowering but not overlook able. other then that it does take like a little less then 1/2 mind to put all the cm dots and debuffs on someone which is perfect. fix me dont break him!><



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KJFett3
Fri Aug 26, 2005 9:54 am
#10






Lethian_Tulkhas wrote:

as long as hes not a MD/MLS with an uber saber ill win if they fight

If hes got cloak he will get away

if hes got root/fr then hes got a good chance to escape

Ifhes gotStasis he will /tsktsk; /lol; /rofl; /Forcerun3; and you will still be standing there for 20 seconds wondering why you wasted all that time.


MBH/MCM/pistoleer stuff




fixed.




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Rogue-Elite
Fri Aug 26, 2005 9:55 am
#11

Force weaken FTW



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diepa
Fri Aug 26, 2005 10:12 am
#12






Spookibus wrote:

There seems to be an assumption among many that MBH / MCM is the "uber-1337" BH template, and that there's nothing better. This is especially prevalent among our good friends in the Jedi forum.


However, the right Jedi template can pick an MBH / MCM apart. In particular, I find fighting Jedi with a lot of Powers in their template extremely difficult, much more so than even the MDEF types. Master Powers have a lot of tricks at their disposal, some of which bypass armor and, if used properly, make CM debuffs like Thyroid Rupture all but useless. Likewise, the states line of Jedi Healer wipes out all a CM's DoTs and states.


These guys give up a lot of offense and defense to do have an effective anti-CM template, though, so this leaves them vulnerable to BH templates more focused on damage dealing or position control (Pistols/Carbs/Rifles).


Yeah, MCM / MBH is a good template. But there are Jedi templates that make it completely ineffective.






See the nerf coming do you?


Jedi is supposed to be 1.5x stronger than full temp combat character, however many full temp jedi lose consistently to this temp. I am not talking about the BH sneaking up on Jedi..this is a toe to toe fight, with the CM coming out the victor more times than not. Which means the CM is overpowered.


KraftyOne
Fri Aug 26, 2005 10:18 am
#13






diepa wrote:






Spookibus wrote:

There seems to be an assumption among many that MBH / MCM is the "uber-1337" BH template, and that there's nothing better. This is especially prevalent among our good friends in the Jedi forum.


However, the right Jedi template can pick an MBH / MCM apart. In particular, I find fighting Jedi with a lot of Powers in their template extremely difficult, much more so than even the MDEF types. Master Powers have a lot of tricks at their disposal, some of which bypass armor and, if used properly, make CM debuffs like Thyroid Rupture all but useless. Likewise, the states line of Jedi Healer wipes out all a CM's DoTs and states.


These guys give up a lot of offense and defense to do have an effective anti-CM template, though, so this leaves them vulnerable to BH templates more focused on damage dealing or position control (Pistols/Carbs/Rifles).


Yeah, MCM / MBH is a good template. But there are Jedi templates that make it completely ineffective.






See the nerf coming do you?


Jedi is supposed to be 1.5x stronger than full temp combat character, however many full temp jedi lose consistently to this temp. I am not talking about the BH sneaking up on Jedi..this is a toe to toe fight, with the CM coming out the victor more times than not. Which means the CM is overpowered.








This is a skewed stat. There are far too many unskilled PVPers playing jedi. Those that are MBH/MCM and are out doing straight up duels against jedi are likely very good PVPers. So this will unbalance the 1.5X.


Also don't forget 1.5Xs stronger only means you would win 6 out of 10 fights. It's not an overwhelming amount better as everyone thinks.





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