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Thread: Ok, how do you guys defeat Jedi??

theEwokDude
Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:11 pm
#1

Now I don't like to quit anything I do so I've been hunting Jedi for about 2 weeks now. let me jsut say I am not striking fear into any of them. Not one win. Now, over time I've put together a decent HLR, not cap'd damage but its a good rifle. I have 8K resistence Ubese, PSG, Healing Efficency Undershirt, even sliced my armr for Armor Break (very glad I did that)...all the food that helps me. I even put together macros so I can stand in town in casual wear. With a press of a button I am in armor and full of food and ready to kill my mark. That last part has never happened yet.


Now don't get me wrong. I get better with every battle I am in. However, eventually I need to get a notch on my belt otherwise all I have to show for this is battered armor and a food bill. Just today I started off with a 30 minute fight. He chased me, I chased him, I knocked him down, he knocked me down...I'd have him at a quarter health and suddenly he is at full health. I kept plugging away but eventually I'd make a mistake and die. I was just in a 15 minute fight that was basically the same thing, just shortened version. I've tried using Sniper Shot at distance followed by Startle Shot...I've charged in with guns blazing...I've tried walking around town in casual wear to get the quick jump...none of these things have worked.


I guess I am looking for any kind of advice. I kite just fine. Like I said, the past few days my fights last anywhere from 10...15...20...heck even a 30 minute fight today, but the end result is always the same. Am I missing something? I read about people taking on a full template and I seriously have no idea how you guys can do such a thing. I am willing to put forth the work to make a name for myself and really want to learn to be a force. Any advice??



"There are a lot of different levels within that [profession], so the people who've been [working down the Jedi path] for a long time will be much more powerful than the people just coming up. We're still rewarding people for their loyalty over the years." - John Smedley

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ShaikeRamjet
Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:19 pm
#2

Amazing, isn't it? Yet, somehow, Jedi will swear that they are as weak as any other profession. Anyways... there is a few stickies at the top that have tips for hunting Jedi.



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Kinshi
Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:40 pm
#3

Well 1st off I think you MUST have healing in your lineup..i dont see how you can last against a higher end Jedi and not be able to heal


So heres my experience...


My Template is


MBH

MRifleman

CM0003

+ FS Enhanced Reflexes 0100


Now I havent defeated a high end Jedi yet but I have been finding that my heal timing is a big deal, as well as wearing the right armor type , and using the right weapon (damage type), and keeping thst state effects on the target,


I have been practicing vs a Jedi freind (Defender), and first I found he was more geared for kinetic protectin, so i switched from a LD-1 rifle to a Heavy Lightning Rifle and did more damage


I then switched from assault to Recon armor (and made sure my PSG was equipped)


I made sure and hit him with the electrolyte drain right away, and thyroid rupture, but I dont like being that close to him hehe, but slowing him down is very important.


I opened with a KD but sadly underhandshot is not nearly as reliable as the Jedi KDs (your best friend is to get as many Defense vs KDand Defense vs Stun as possible.


DOnt forget a Duelist Stance Macro ..it makes a big diff


Keep StimDs on hand too, and alternate with a stim D for a big heal and keep a heal bound to a key for a quick bactashot (use enhancers whenever you can) - in some cases you may have to heal shoot heal..so be careful in your sequencing of attacks


Dont forget Synthsteak!..have a macro on hand to feed yourself (not to mention have a macro for eating all your buff foods quickly)




anyway, the BEST thing imho to do is make a Jedi friend and duel, duel duel. practice on him, get used to your macros, healing sequences, and other timing (timing is a BIG DEAL!)




theEwokDude
Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:47 pm
#4






Kinshi wrote:

Well 1st off I think you MUST have healing in your lineup..i dont see how you can last against a higher end Jedi and not be able to heal


So heres my experience...


My Template is


MBH

MRifleman

CM0003

+ FS Enhanced Reflexes 0100


Now I havent defeated a high end Jedi yet but I have been finding that my heal timing is a big deal, as well as wearing the right armor type , and using the right weapon (damage type), and keeping thst state effects on the target,


I have been practicing vs a Jedi freind (Defender), and first I found he was more geared for kinetic protectin, so i switched from a LD-1 rifle to a Heavy Lightning Rifle and did more damage


I then switched from assault to Recon armor (and made sure my PSG was equipped)


I made sure and hit him with the electrolyte drain right away, and thyroid rupture, but I dont like being that close to him hehe, but slowing him down is very important.


I opened with a KD but sadly underhandshot is not nearly as reliable as the Jedi KDs (your best friend is to get as many Defense vs KDand Defense vs Stun as possible.


DOnt forget a Duelist Stance Macro ..it makes a big diff


Keep StimDs on hand too, and alternate with a stim D for a big heal and keep a heal bound to a key for a quick bactashot (use enhancers whenever you can) - in some cases you may have to heal shoot heal..so be careful in your sequencing of attacks


Dont forget Synthsteak!..have a macro on hand to feed yourself (not to mention have a macro for eating all your buff foods quickly)




anyway, the BEST thing imho to do is make a Jedi friend and duel, duel duel. practice on him, get used to your macros, healing sequences, and other timing (timing is a BIG DEAL!)









Apologies, yes, I do have healing. I have 4000 in the healing line also. I use that and have Stim Ds hotkey'd. Healing keeps me alive when i get knocked down, which like you said, seems to be frequently with jedi, as opposed to my KD. I also setup the KD Recovery dump macro which has helped a lot too. I never tried the Duelist Stance macro but I will get that and give it a try.


One thing you mentioned that I haven't thought of is maybe another damage type. I do not do much damage at all with my HLR most of the time. From logs I'd say 180-200 a hit. Perhaps I should buy and slice up another rifle damage type and switch between the two during a fight?


Everything else you mentioned I am doing so maybe if another rifle is important I will work on that. Oh, and find a duel partner.


Thanks for the replies.





"There are a lot of different levels within that [profession], so the people who've been [working down the Jedi path] for a long time will be much more powerful than the people just coming up. We're still rewarding people for their loyalty over the years." - John Smedley

Aerofea (90) Dark Elder Jedi of Lowca - Imperial Colonel
Ryre1
Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:59 pm
#5

ez...get good armor and a decent wpn with a nice template and db wen u incap him



Ryre


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stanleycat
Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:40 am
#6

I can never win in a straight fight with a fully buffed, well fed full template jedi. I may be able to last a while, but in the end the result for me is always the same (I am MCarbines,MBH).


I do, however, get my fair share of kills, and they are always down to timing. Surprise and a wounded or weakened jedi have to both coincide for me to get my bounty.







Jase theAce
ex_SWG
Olomo
Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:02 am
#7

Heres my take on it:


Get some healing in your template and buy a healing efficiency shirt and bando. Have Stim D's hotkeyed. Buy some Ruby Blilel which reduces stim times by half.


Try a speed pup on your HLR. It should make the DPS go way up. Use that for your alpha strike and have a second weapon with a sac pup if you have a prolonged fight. Use an attack macro for the alpha strike. If you dont have one, contact me ingame. Ill give you a good one.


Eat foods with alot of action regen. I use these for base foods: Caf, Blob Candy, and Bofa treat. Before I fight I use: Vayerbock +24 block, vegeparsine+100 melee def, booster blue, crispic +40 range acc, citros snow cake +40 healing eff, breath of heaven and air cake +36 to dodge. All of it stacks and I can eat all of it provided I gave the first set of 3 time to digest.


Get buffed everytime you head out. The adrenaline especially can make all the difference in a fight. You can get a buff right at the Kad starport from Name. He just wants a tip.


Above all dont expect to win if your mark is running a +500 Aura. Its too much to contend with. I fight alot of no win battles against aura because I love to PvP so much. But if you want to be smart and not get killed alot, dont fight a fully buffed jedi, especially aura.


You can try your sniper tactics too. Prone and cover and switch to a terrain neg shirt and bando. Then eat travel biscuits. You can crawl pretty fast that way. Find your target, drink a pyro, aim and hit sniper shot,KD and use power shots.


Above all dont fight your mark's fight. Fight your fight. Stalk him. Find out his routine. Hit him when hes weak, out of force or distracted grinding.


Hope this helps. Shoot me a /tell sometime if you still need advice.


Happy hunting.



Olomo Ineak


'SS'





Ribas363
Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:05 am
#8


You need to get some healing in your template. I hit MBH in July of '03, picked up MP's when Master Scout got dropped and used that temp with some medic forever and loved it. Once the CU came I had to drop MP's and pickup CM4000.Aftertesting thatI decided to go straight MCM and its proven to be a very good decision for PvP. I kept the novice box of pistols only (timer and the pistol mods). To really be able to handle jedi in my opinion you should invest in some high end gear and seas. It is completely possible to beat full temp jedi (if its a pre-cu full temp jedi with a saber thats around 700 dps + then you are in for a real war though or if they do the speed hack and/or saber hack). Dont lose faith quite yet. I'd also suggest getting a jedi friend or guildee to practicedueling against. That or keep hunting and trying. Experience and not getting rattled and resorting to button spamming are key.







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Message Edited by Ribas363 on 08-30-2005 05:20 AM

Adefo-Oami
Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:39 am
#9


I've found the best BH template I can think of is MBH/doc 4004/any 2 lines of any ranged prof.



I'm MBH/doc 4004/pistoleer 4004, CL 76,and i'm one of the best BHs on flurry





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Lil-g
Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:00 am
#10


First off, did u get your armor sliced for 75% AB reduction. Also, r u taking the right foods? For me, I take booster blue, Crispic, Kanali Wafers, blob candy and Mandalorian wine. Ruby biel for when ever i need to pop in a stim.


In your temp, u really need to add in CM 4000 for healing(back to back heals with bacta shot and bacta toss). Mix in the heals with some stims(1100plus strength) to conserve your mind.Get doc buff b4 every fight. Finally, get a SAC pup on your rifle, it helps ease off on the action.



hope this helps. gl on your next mark


Message Edited by Lil-g on 08-30-2005 08:03 PM



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Akast
Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:26 am
#11

u seem to be doing eveything right but from what u say your coming up against defenders all the time, now simple fact of the matter if a defender is ready for you and has his aura/valour up and buffed u aint gonner kill him unless he runs out of mind or force, and they he will 99% of the time run anway. ony way your gonner beat a defender is if u find his aura down or get him when he has 20 pickets on him. so what i would do if i was u would take missiosn if ther a defender and there not enganged in a group drop mission and go after an enhancer, once u get your first few it becomes easier.


I was exactly the same just a few weeks ago but now unless the jedi has a pre cu saber or is MS/Mpowers im not worried i know they wont kill me, and il run them down in the end.





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slagaroo
Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:26 am
#12

The temp of a BH is important but not as important as the temp of the jedi your going to try to kill. If you notice that the jedi has force run off while fighting that means that he either has force run 2, 3 or no force run at all. If you see that you need to get him in some hills with snare on as he will not be able to move at all. U will be able to do damage and all he will be able to do is heal and that will drain his force. To do this u will need to stay out of his root/snare range of 32m. If you come accross a jedi that has force run 1 then terrian negotiation will not be a factor so you can fight him where ever.


also...make SURE the thyroid rupture sticks. If it doesnt stick the first time keep trying until u get it. If you dont get it to stick your done for.


As for master defenders...most of them dont have master lightsaber so their attacks will not come as fast but they can take quite a punch and dont use much force. The only way I can kill them is because I have very nice armorand I'm anithorian and have uber mind regen. I'm not sure if I could do it with any other race.



theEwokDude
Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:38 am
#13






Akast wrote:

u seem to be doing eveything right but from what u say your coming up against defenders all the time, now simple fact of the matter if a defender is ready for you and has his aura/valour up and buffed u aint gonner kill him unless he runs out of mind or force, and they he will 99% of the time run anway. ony way your gonner beat a defender is if u find his aura down or get him when he has 20 pickets on him. so what i would do if i was u would take missiosn if ther a defender and there not enganged in a group drop mission and go after an enhancer, once u get your first few it becomes easier.


I was exactly the same just a few weeks ago but now unless the jedi has a pre cu saber or is MS/Mpowers im not worried i know they wont kill me, and il run them down in the end.







I was wondering about Force regen now that you mentioned it. The one fight I had for 30 mins I just wanted to pound at him but play it smart. Don't let myself get too close, try to keep Bleed on, and have him chase me. It was on Yavin so anytime it looked like I was about to turn the fight in my direction he would hide behind a tree. I'd let myself regen when he did this. However, after 25 mins of this I figured that his Force Regen was working behind the tree. Finally I decided that when he would do this I'd use Burst Run to chase him so we would do circles arond a tree. lol I don't know about Force regen or how fast it comes back but I've yet to actually push a Jedi to his Force limit. On two occasions, I've had friends of the Jedi whip out a vehicle but managed to land a KnockDown by the time the Jedi got in it. I am not sure if that was due to low Force or they just didn't want to fight.


Anyway, I use SAC Pups on my rifle. I have crates of them and I do have 4000CM line. That and StimDs with Ruby keep me going when times get tough.


Last Friday I bought some 8K energy resist armor and had is Armor Break sliced. Before that I just had 7K energy resist armor. Well with my new 8K armor that is AB'd and a PSG I can see a difference big time.


I am just wondering if maybe my rifle isn't up to par. Should I be hitting a Jedi from 100-200 damage? That seems low. I didn't check my entire fight log but those were my last few hits. I don't see how I could kill anyone doing that kind of damage, unless like someone said they are hurt or distracted when I jump them.



"There are a lot of different levels within that [profession], so the people who've been [working down the Jedi path] for a long time will be much more powerful than the people just coming up. We're still rewarding people for their loyalty over the years." - John Smedley

Aerofea (90) Dark Elder Jedi of Lowca - Imperial Colonel
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