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Thread: Grouping on Jedi missions????
So are we going to be able to group anymore? Or is the only "grouping" gonna happen when a couple different BH take the same jedi mission?
tuffness55 wrote:
try to catch the jedi when he is low on heal, a fully templated jedi is more powerful than u so should shouldn't be able to win a far fight 1 on 1 so make sure its not a fair fight
Thats gonna get REAL tough now that they are not gonna tell us what the jedi's name is. I mean how hard will it be for the jedi to spot the BH. When they are off grinding in their own little group, or sitting in their homes they see a little dot running up on their radar they will figure it out real quick. And that is when BH missions will get very frustrating.
Pootian wrote:
How are we supposed to do this anymore? I know it will only generate missions for jedi that are online at the time, but really how are we supposed to deal with a mission for a 226k jedi when, at least for me, that level of jedi will run rings around me. I mean I have good equiptment and good armor, and tons of great food, but a maxed template jedi is still quite the handful.
So are we going to be able to group anymore? Or is the only "grouping" gonna happen when a couple different BH take the same jedi mission?
The Devs have stated that the Fight is supposed to be 1 vs 1 only. The Jedi is a little stronger, but this will be weighed up with that the BH have the initial attack and the suprise on its side.
I think this is a good publish. Both for Jedi and for BHs. It simply evens the game on both sides.
Niccolado wrote:
Pootian wrote:
How are we supposed to do this anymore? I know it will only generate missions for jedi that are online at the time, but really how are we supposed to deal with a mission for a 226k jedi when, at least for me, that level of jedi will run rings around me. I mean I have good equiptment and good armor, and tons of great food, but a maxed template jedi is still quite the handful.
So are we going to be able to group anymore? Or is the only "grouping" gonna happen when a couple different BH take the same jedi mission?
The Devs have stated that the Fight is supposed to be 1 vs 1 only. The Jedi is a little stronger, but this will be weighed up with that the BH have the initial attack and the suprise on its side.
I think this is a good publish. Both for Jedi and for BHs. It simply evens the game on both sides.
The way the waypoint system is and the way jedi grind, odds are we will track our prey to a group of jedi and we will have to tab through all the creatures they are hunting to even pick out which jedi is ours. Then we have to "suprise" them, even though they will have seen us coming from 250m away they will be ready for us BH.
So mister jedi, where is the "element of suprise" that will even our fight now?
I enjoy the current system much better. You can do research on your jedi, track and stalk him then strike when the time is right like during a duel or while they are fighting high level content.
With the new system we will be walking in blind to a fight that we have no info about. Bringing a buddy (just one, gank squads are and always will be overkill) is fun and fits in with the SW universe and the ideas of the new post CU SWG world...one where grouping is always preferred to soloing.
Pootian wrote:
Niccolado wrote:
Pootian wrote:
How are we supposed to do this anymore? I know it will only generate missions for jedi that are online at the time, but really how are we supposed to deal with a mission for a 226k jedi when, at least for me, that level of jedi will run rings around me. I mean I have good equiptment and good armor, and tons of great food, but a maxed template jedi is still quite the handful.
So are we going to be able to group anymore? Or is the only "grouping" gonna happen when a couple different BH take the same jedi mission?
The Devs have stated that the Fight is supposed to be 1 vs 1 only. The Jedi is a little stronger, but this will be weighed up with that the BH have the initial attack and the suprise on its side.
I think this is a good publish. Both for Jedi and for BHs. It simply evens the game on both sides.
The way the waypoint system is and the way jedi grind, odds are we will track our prey to a group of jedi and we will have to tab through all the creatures they are hunting to even pick out which jedi is ours. Then we have to "suprise" them, even though they will have seen us coming from 250m away they will be ready for us BH.
So mister jedi, where is the "element of suprise" that will even our fight now?
I enjoy the current system much better. You can do research on your jedi, track and stalk him then strike when the time is right like during a duel or while they are fighting high level content.
With the new system we will be walking in blind to a fight that we have no info about. Bringing a buddy (just one, gank squads are and always will be overkill) is fun and fits in with the SW universe and the ideas of the new post CU SWG world...one where grouping is always preferred to soloing.
Everything will be mostly the same. Except you are not told the name on the terminal. Now you have to pick the mission, without knowing their name and their potential strength. Its good for novice jedi, who will be ganked less. They have never had a chance anyway against your BHs, while they where grinding. And you can now risk meet full template jedi.
Being a BH is not a free gift to gank/murder Jedi. Now the BHs will take a risk when they hunt jedi! As it is now, the fight is only one way, and totally without any risk for the BH! And that is not the way it suppose to be!
When it comes to going through the group of critters the Jedi is hunting, it will be no different from its today. The fight will be 1 vs 1, so if they have friends there, wil not matter at all. More then that, if you are using your seeker droids, they will give you the location of your mark. And when you get to the mark, it will light up as red as usuall. if theres lots of red dots ther, even better for you. You will have to locate the jedi, wait to see what the other red dots do with the jedi, and when/if the jedi's Health is low, you start your attack. As I say, Being a BH is not supposed to be easy.
The current system opens for free ganks of novice jedi. jedi who cant even defend themselves. And. As I say, that is not a good situation. With the system thats coming, we will have it balanced. For both parts:
- No jedi cant when getting BH TEF hide in any house anymore. Even if only the BH have taken actively part in the combat. (As far as I have heard anyway)
- You have to be a master in your profession to hunt jedi players. This is good, because this "bonus" should be only granted to them who are masters in their profession
- No names on terminal. Only Imperial, neutral or rebel jedi is listed. Reduces the harassment to 0, and they who wants to hunt certain faction only, have now this choise.
- All who is listed in the terminal is Online on the time, the mission where granted. As it is today, you can risk picking Jedi who have been offline for weeks. And you cant pick novice jedi solely anymore. Now you risk meeting jedi who is more experienced!
With this system, you have to work more often for your bounty. Now you will not win easy all the time anymore. And you can now risk loosing. Which have been a alien concept to you all.
Some BHs I know are going to change template. They are not interested in hunting Jedi anymore, they said. Before you knew you had 100% to win if you picked a mission between 80k-160k. It was "Easy Money". You earned lots of money VERY fast, and you could kill other players easy without any risk. The only annoyance they said, was some jedi where good at running and hiding. This will now most likely end.
This game is supposed to be fair to all part. Including Jedi.
Message Edited by Niccolado on 07-09-2005 05:49 AM
ElvisTheKing wrote:
Oh, and tell your fanboi that gave you props for making such a good argument that he doesn't get an "I win" button either.
Niccolado wrote:
Everything will be mostly the same. Except you are not told the name on the terminal. Now you have to pick the mission, without knowing their name and their potential strength. Its good for novice jedi, who will be ganked less. They have never had a chance anyway against your BHs, while they where grinding. And you can now risk meet full template jedi.
Not knowing the name at somepoint in the process is a game breaker. If you are like the jedi on our server you are either grinding in a group on Tat or Dant or in Wookiee land. In the first case, if we come up to you near a lair of 30 spawned critters in a group of 8, you will have ample time to run/hide/cloak/ride/ what ever before we can even target you.
If you are on the Rryatt Trail, we will have no way of knowing if you are in our instance. All of the intelligence that we gather from each other and spies will be useless.
So no, it is not evenly closely the same.
Being a BH is not a free gift to gank/murder Jedi. Now the BHs will take a risk when they hunt jedi! As it is now, the fight is only one way, and totally without any risk for the BH! And that is not the way it suppose to be!
Being a jedi is not a free gift for you to dictate how the game should be played.
When it comes to going through the group of critters the Jedi is hunting, it will be no different from its today. The fight will be 1 vs 1, so if they have friends there, wil not matter at all. More then that, if you are using your seeker droids, they will give you the location of your mark. And when you get to the mark, it will light up as red as usuall. if theres lots of red dots ther, even better for you. You will have to locate the jedi, wait to see what the other red dots do with the jedi, and when/if the jedi's Health is low, you start your attack. As I say, Being a BH is not supposed to be easy.
You are wrong again here. Most accomplished BHs use a targeting macro just for these reasons. We do not tab through all of the criters, we have a macro that reads:
/tar jediname;
/macro targetjedi;
This way we can pick you out of a crowd.
And since when are you the authority of how easy BH is supposed to be?
The current system opens for free ganks of novice jedi. jedi who cant even defend themselves. And. As I say, that is not a good situation. With the system thats coming, we will have it balanced. For both parts:
According to your email that you got when you unlocked your jedi, you were told you were hunted. You were told that it is dangerous. You were told all of these things directly by Sony, yet you discount them now?
- No jedi cant when getting BH TEF hide in any house anymore. Even if only the BH have taken actively part in the combat. (As far as I have heard anyway)
About time if you ask me.
- You have to be a master in your profession to hunt jedi players. This is good, because this "bonus" should be only granted to them who are masters in their profession
This is bad because we are now forced to ranged professions only. There will be no more melee BHs and very few jedi/BH hybrids. This limits peoples choices in game and their ability to have fun.
- No names on terminal. Only Imperial, neutral or rebel jedi is listed. Reduces the harassment to 0, and they who wants to hunt certain faction only, have now this choise.
I could care less about faction. Harassment is a bannable offense. If a BH was harassing you, you should report them. But don't change the entire system because a few players are abusing others. Ban the abusers. As a side note, SOE made it CLEAR that hunting jedi that are on the terms is not harassment. If you are on the terms you are fair game.
- All who is listed in the terminal is Online on the time, the mission where granted. As it is today, you can risk picking Jedi who have been offline for weeks. And you cant pick novice jedi solely anymore. Now you risk meeting jedi who is more experienced!
There is no risk of picking offline missions. Friends lists tell you when a player is online. Most jedi have me on their friends lists and know when I am on their planet because they run find friend macros. So this is really a loss for the jedi, but I am happy to see you do not understand that.
With this system, you have to work more often for your bounty. Now you will not win easy all the time anymore. And you can now risk loosing. Which have been a alien concept to you all.
Any BH that doesn't lose from time to time is not trying hard enough. It sound like you need to brush up on your PvP skills.
Some BHs I know are going to change template. They are not interested in hunting Jedi anymore, they said. Before you knew you had 100% to win if you picked a mission between 80k-160k. It was "Easy Money". You earned lots of money VERY fast, and you could kill other players easy without any risk. The only annoyance they said, was some jedi where good at running and hiding. This will now most likely end.
Seems like the BHs you know where the ones that kept killing you over and over for 120K. Ifyou were the only mark they could handle, then they should quit the profession. As to your other claim,there is no way to earn "Easy Money" as a BH. Crafters make far more money than we do. We can not begin to approach the level of income of a Chef, Weaponsmith or Armorsmith. I am happy though that running and hiding will be much harder for Jedi now.
This game is supposed to be fair to all part. Including Jedi.
Having been a Master Bounty Hunter since '03, do not begin to talk to me or others like me about fair. We have been beaten up, down, frontways and backways by SoE and jedi. At one point I was forced to take up melee skills just to be able to fight with jedi and not die in 3 seconds because of the damn saber block. I have been a MBH since before there were any jedi. I did it the hard way, no speeders, no mounts, 10 minute shuttle, running through all of the planets on foot trying to find a mark that spawned in a tree. We used to require master scout and master marksman. We used to have eyeshot that was nerfed to oblivion. So now the CU comes through and finally, after two years, BH gets some love. We are finally able to be somewhat effective in the role that SoE laid out for us, to control the jedi population, using ranged weapons like we should have been able to use all along. Now you come along and start to talk of fairness? Sir, there is nothing fair in anything that you have said. Your reward for your jedi was the extra charecter slot and the ability to swing a glowstick. It was not an "I Win" button.
Lastly, you will find BHs like me and others that adapt and overcome this stupid nerf. And you know what? You will likely die more, because we will be better at our jobs becuase we had to be.
My MBH has always hunted solo and has kept MBH since I managed to get the title. This pub makes no difference to me.
Hmm. Can you maybe back up and show me where BH's are to take on fully templated knights? I thought once you made it to knight through the hunting and the danger, the next danger is the FRS - no longer BH's.
I could be wrong, though. 
as for not knowing the jedi's name is dumb because people done say Go kill jedi till you get the one i want . they would tell you a name but this is not that bad as for group hunting well i say this show me any temped BH that can kill a fully temped jedi its close to impossable and if they see you coming forget about it. I just injoy hunting with a friend or 2 and giving a fully temped jedi a little challange. is this so wrong? that is the only real problem from what i see so far.
Tridin MBH/MC
()If you are on the Rryatt Trail, we will have no way of knowing if you are in our instance. All of the intelligence that we gather from ()each other and spies will be useless.
()So no, it is not evenly closely the same.
We may run as much as we can on Ryatt trial. But theres nowhere to hide. No houses etc. The Jedi can ofcource run into some caves, and hide among the wildlife. But, thats something legal. using any LOS bugs is a bannable offense tho, and it will be fixed too. Hide is what jedi have to do. And that is your problem. Not ours. And have nothing to do with lack of names on the terminals to do. When it comes to finding Jedi on kashyyk, thats not all to difficult. There are only a few places where jedi can grind, and earn XP. if you see a jedi is on Kashyyk, visit those places yourself, and see if they are around.
()Being a jedi is not a free gift for you to dictate how the game should be played.
How true. As true you cant dictate how Jedi should play their game too. As I said, I liked this patch because it limits the ganking on low level Novice Jedi. Jedi like me, who is complete dont hang around much on kashyyk, and I never have BH visits. BHs have till now hunted low level jedi only. That will now be more limited, which is good. Now you BHs will have more risk in hunting Jedi! And that is as I said, an alien concept for you. You are simply not used to loose! That will now change.
()You are wrong again here. Most accomplished BHs use a targeting macro just for these reasons. We do not tab through all of the criters, ()we
()/tar jediname;
()/macro targetjedi;
()This way we can pick you out of a crowd.
()And since when are you the authority of how easy BH is supposed to be?
You can still use the /tar commant when you learn the name. It will under your investigation be clear to you. So you will still be able to use your macro. I have never pretended to be the authority on how easy BHs should be. No more then you BHs have authority on how easy Jedi should be, even if both sides are always argumenting on this. This patch balances both sides.
()According to your email that you got when you unlocked your jedi, you were told you were hunted. You were told that it is dangerous. You ()were told all of these things directly by Sony, yet you discount them now?
I did not get any "official warning" from SOE on email, when I got Jedi. I knew it from the Forums. I knew it from my friends. And we accepted it ofcource. But certain things changed with the CU, which SOE now fixes. Like Group Vis. Before the CU you could easy grind jedi alone, and as such not getting Vis. After CU this is not possible, and thats why SOE is fixing it now, in the coming publish. And, as I say. Im complete with my grinding. But just because you are able to hunt jedi, does not mean you should have the head of the jedi served for you on a silver platter!
()- No jedi cant when getting BH TEF hide in any house anymore. Even if only the BH have taken actively part in the combat. (As far as I have ()
()About time if you ask me.
As I say, its all a balance. We do accept this as a part of the balance.
()This is bad because we are now forced to ranged professions only. There will be no more melee BHs and very few jedi/BH hybrids. This ()limits
I have never met a melee BH when I grinded Jedi. All have been a Mix betwen 3000 in BH, Master Pistoleer or Rifle and Docs. Almost none have had master in BH. It might kill hybrids like Jedi/BH. Which have been considered overpowered. I think its pretty common procedure to let only masters hunt other players.
()I could care less about faction. Harassment is a bannable offense. If a BH was harassing you, you should report them. But don't change ()the entire system because a few players are abusing others. Ban the abusers. As a side note, SOE made it CLEAR that hunting jedi that ()are on the terms is not harassment. If you are on the terms you are fair game.
What is harassment for a Jedi, is not always harassment for SOE. It is still generally viewed as Harassment. When the same BH picks the same mission 6 times on one day, because the target is "easy to kill". its not harassment for SOE "because the Jedi is on the terminal". But for the player its definitely not fun to meet the same BH 45 minutes later. Its not supopsed to be easy to be a jedi. But its not supposed to be insane either! Most of the new fulltemplates after the CU got it because of double XP week or more specifically Respec! That is one of the reasons why they are removing the names!
()Any BH that doesn't lose from time to time is not trying hard enough. It sound like you need to brush up on your PvP skills.
I have only lost to BHs when I was on the terminals worth between 80k to 170k. When I got higher then 180k bounty I have won all my battles with BHs. They have been few tho, since most BHs whimp out. My PvP skills could certainly got better (and will) but im not a novice sitting duck Jedi anymore. If a BH comes for me, he can kill me. But he will have to work for it! Which, most prefer not to. But theres no challenge in killing a jedi between 80k and 170k! They are not good in any profession anymore! They might have Force Run and cloak, but thats only good for running and hiding.
()Having been a Master Bounty Hunter since '03, do not begin to talk to me or others like me about fair. We have been beaten up, down, ()frontways and backways by SoE and jedi. At one point I was forced to take up melee skills just to be able to fight with jedi and not die ()in 3 seconds because of the damn saber block. I have been a MBH since before there were any jedi. I did it the hard way, no speeders, no ()mounts, 10 minute shuttle, running through all of the planets on foot trying to find a mark that spawned in a tree. We used to require ()master scout and master marksman. We used to have eyeshot that was nerfed to oblivion. So now the CU comes through and finally, after ()two years, BH gets some love. We are finally able to be somewhat effective in the role that SoE laid out for us, to control the jedi ()population, using ranged weapons like we should have been able to use all along. Now you come along and start to talk of fairness? Sir, ()there is nothing fair in anything that you have said. Your reward for your jedi was the extra charecter slot and the ability to swing a ()glowstick. It was not an "I Win" button.
()Lastly, you will find BHs like me and others that adapt and overcome this stupid nerf. And you know what? You will likely die more, ()because we will be better at our jobs becuase we had to be.
First of all I would like to say BHs have to be a part of the game! Cant say i like you, but you are a important part of the game. I have never pretended anything else! Been a BH for a while myself too, and so I know a little about it. When it comes to jedi and saber block it have been heavily reduced. From 80% or so to now 25% as a master LS. You can up it for one minute tho with Force Aura etc. jedi have other things being Nerfed. For example Saberthrow KD is now only in Master Box. We cant also swing our Lightsaber if we are out of Force, while you the BHs can attack us as long as u want to. The glowstick as you say is just a weapon. Its a jedi weapon, but its still a weapon, and with that weapon you are not granted a "I win" button. What I have been advocating here is that the BHs should not have the "I win" Button, you are telling Jedi want. by just hunting lower level Jedi! Or by bringing 4 other BHs, which is another reason why removing the names! This is also a form for "I win" button too!
I respect the BHs! But where is your respect for Jedi???