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Thread: I'd just like to clarify something about exploiting...

Darkknight109
Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:15 am
#1

OK, on a few of my posts I may have come across as supporting exploiting. I don't. But that's not really what this post is about...


Anyways, my personal views aside, I hear a lot of stuff on the so-called "House exploit." Now I'd like to clarify this since a lot of people don't seem to know where it stops being legit and starts becoming an exploit.


IF a Jedi drops a house right next to where their grinding, that is completely legitimate.


IF you attack said Jedi and they run into said house WITHOUT ATTACKING YOU FIRST, that is STILL completely legit.


IF, however, said Jedi attacks you, runs into the house to heal and regen force and then runs back out to attack you some more, THAT is an exploit.


And until someone in the DEV team says otherwise, that is how it is.


Do not start accusing Jedi who run into houses when you start combat of exploiting. This happened when I was accompanying a friend earlier in the evening and it is kinda annoying to have to deal with the CSRs (when they eventually show up) when you did nothing wrong. Unless they attack back, it ain't an exploit. If they are abusing the system, by all means report them, but please know what constitutesexploiting and what doesn't.



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Kystan
Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:18 am
#2

just for the record everyone here is completely clear on why and when its an exploit .. ppl who dont are lying ..


most of these exploiters simply REFUSE to admit the things theyre doing are even exploits at all..


if youre going to blatently cheat at least have the balls to admit it ..
Cougar959
Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:25 am
#3


Actually i understand the fact that Jedi can run into the safty of a house the put up. But my question is why cant we just blow that door up and enter the house. I mean come one let us beable to go in their house and get the hiders.


Be funny to having the ablitly to knock the door down and enter the house to chase the jedi. You all know that would be funny to and enjoyable even for you jedis to.




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Darkknight109
Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:31 am
#4

I'm just posting it because I've run into some BHs, both in game and on the forums who seem to think that dropping a house next to a lair is an exploit or that the instant they enter combat the Jedi should be unable to enter a house.



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Darkknight109
Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:34 am
#5






Cougar959 wrote:


Actually i understand the fact that Jedi can run into the safty of a house the put up. But my question is why cant we just blow that door up and enter the house. I mean come one let us beable to go in their house and get the hiders.


Be funny to having the ablitly to knock the door down and enter the house to chase the jedi. You all know that would be funny to and enjoyable even for you jedis to.






Only if houses get one of those Scooby-Doo corridors where you enter in one door and randomly pop out another. Now watching a BH-Jedi chase scene through there would be funny



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Camelz
Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:36 am
#6

It can just be really annoying when you battle for 10 mins to deplete that Force Bar AND THEN the Jedi runs into a house to regen force and sit there until health regens then come out to fight, you got to start all over again. The only thing you gained in the first fight was decay on weapon and armour. GRRRRRRR


As you may have guessed this happened to me again last night. Grrrrrrrr


In the end I just dropped mission and walked away, else I would have still been there fighting, waiting for Jedi regen, fighting again. And why doI always get the message "Your attack failed to knock down target" when they make a burst run back towards house?? Once I'd expect, twice would be a coincidence but EVERY TIME just feels like a conspiracy.


There, got that out of my system, I feel much better.





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Darkknight109
Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:27 pm
#7

Bump, since I've read it again several times since this topic was created...



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Seij
Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:30 pm
#8

My night with an exploiting Jedi (house exploit to the max):

I find my mark at his house, and he agrees to come out. I am in NO worries fighting thinking, ooh pretty easy.

He runs inside right before he gets incapped and heals up/forces up, and comes out again to fight. He did attack me proving that it was exploiting. Then he began running in and out alternating attacks, after about 3 times in which he ran inside and healed up to come back out, he KD'd me, and said some profanities like "go suck **** newby BH" and ran inside and logged out.


Great Jedi in this game I tell ya.
Darkknight109
Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:43 pm
#9






Seij wrote:

My night with an exploiting Jedi (house exploit to the max):

I find my mark at his house, and he agrees to come out. I am in NO worries fighting thinking, ooh pretty easy.

He runs inside right before he gets incapped and heals up/forces up, and comes out again to fight. He did attack me proving that it was exploiting. Then he began running in and out alternating attacks, after about 3 times in which he ran inside and healed up to come back out, he KD'd me, and said some profanities like "go suck **** newby BH" and ran inside and logged out.


Great Jedi in this game I tell ya.





Fair example of exploiting. Keep in mind there are bad apples on both sides. We're not all like that. And I would assume all BHs are not like the one who came withthree of his friends, killed one of my guildies and then began doing some very... innapropriate emotes on her corpse...



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bluemeenie
Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:44 pm
#10


as far as im concerned, until they put wheels on those houses and call them wenibagos i really dont see how picking up and dropping houses for groups of jedi all over the place to gind is fair.


I know old school jedi who had to grindout the hard way. Alone and in some remote spot. Being able to drop a guild hall (I've seen it done) and have 5 jedi draw bug zappers and kill everything that spawns spits in the face of the whole concept of keeping a low profile and under the eyes of the emperium.


Getting on the BH terms was supposed to be this dreed thing to be avoided at all costs not a nuesance. Hell i was in the Dant MO tonight watching 20 jedi just beating the crap out of each other in broad daylight, no fear of any consquinces.



You have a house and declare residence on a planet in a town and if you get attacked and can make it back there in time, then im an idiot for not tracking you properly. But being able to skirt the whole concept of getting of the terms as a penealty is just bunk.


Why is it the more i read on this forum the more Jedi's i start to find standing around coming up iwth viable excuses for using unforseen exploits in a game. I swear there are more jedi here then BH sometimes.


Seij
Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:46 pm
#11






bluemeenie wrote:


as far as im concerned, until they put wheels on those houses and call them wenibagos i really dont see how picking up and dropping houses for groups of jedi all over the place to gind is fair.


I know old school jedi who had to grindout the hard way. Alone and in some remote spot. Being able to drop a guild hall (I've seen it done) and have 5 jedi draw bug zappers and kill everything that spawns spits in the face of the whole concept of keeping a low profile and under the eyes of the emperium.


Getting on the BH terms was supposed to be this dreed thing to be avoided at all costs not a nuesance. Hell i was in the Dant MO tonight watching 20 jedi just beating the crap out of each other in broad daylight, no fear of any consquinces.



You have a house and declare residence on a planet in a town and if you get attacked and can make it back there in time, then im an idiot for not tracking you properly. But being able to skirt the whole concept of getting of the terms as a penealty is just bunk.


Why is it the more i read on this forum the more Jedi's i start to find standing around coming up iwth viable excuses for using unforseen exploits in a game. I swear there are more jedi here then BH sometimes.








To my knowledge, the ratio of whining jedi to whining BHs is heavier on the jedi side.
Darkknight109
Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:50 pm
#12






bluemeenie wrote:


as far as im concerned, until they put wheels on those houses and call them wenibagos i really dont see how picking up and dropping houses for groups of jedi all over the place to gind is fair.


I know old school jedi who had to grindout the hard way. Alone and in some remote spot. Being able to drop a guild hall (I've seen it done) and have 5 jedi draw bug zappers and kill everything that spawns spits in the face of the whole concept of keeping a low profile and under the eyes of the emperium.


Getting on the BH terms was supposed to be this dreed thing to be avoided at all costs not a nuesance. Hell i was in the Dant MO tonight watching 20 jedi just beating the crap out of each other in broad daylight, no fear of any consquinces.



You have a house and declare residence on a planet in a town and if you get attacked and can make it back there in time, then im an idiot for not tracking you properly. But being able to skirt the whole concept of getting of the terms as a penealty is just bunk.


Why is it the more i read on this forum the more Jedi's i start to find standing around coming up iwth viable excuses for using unforseen exploits in a game. I swear there are more jedi here then BH sometimes.







Pre-CU I would've agreed with you. But now Jedi have no choice other than to get on the terms to grind. It is literally impossible for low-level Jedi to gain XP solo. Thus, I would say that any non-exploiting method to get out of that dreaded XP loss, however immoral it may be, is still legit until and only until they fix the damn problem with grinding.



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Seij
Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:52 pm
#13

Saying the xp loss is dreaded is almost pushing it, the way Jedi can grind nowadays makes the xp loss only a minor setback.
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