Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Perhaps it's turning in to Star Wars after all...
And seen as there is no reason to stand and fight I will bet that you are right on the cloak and run (more so than now) but what fun is that?
Zade_Taerin wrote:
I've been perusing through the Jedi boards and all I see is doom-and-gloom over impending nerfage. The common response: we will have no chance against a good BH'ror multiple BH'rs, it's either cloak and run or be destroyed...
Hmmm... in the current supposed time-line of Star Wars Galaxy the Jedi have been hunted to near extinction. They are to be hunted and destroyed by order of the state... they are running, hiding or dying... looks like we may actually get back to the "true" timeline after all...
Just an observation... good luck to you all, both Jedi and BH'rs...
ShaikeRamjet wrote:
evanight wrote:
ShaikeRamjet wrote:
evanight wrote:
And seen as there is no reason to stand and fight I will bet that you are right on the cloak and run (more so than now) but what fun is that?
Zade_Taerin wrote:
I've been perusing through the Jedi boards and all I see is doom-and-gloom over impending nerfage. The common response: we will have no chance against a good BH'ror multiple BH'rs, it's either cloak and run or be destroyed...
Hmmm... in the current supposed time-line of Star Wars Galaxy the Jedi have been hunted to near extinction. They are to be hunted and destroyed by order of the state... they are running, hiding or dying... looks like we may actually get back to the "true" timeline after all...
Just an observation... good luck to you all, both Jedi and BH'rs...
It's more fun to annihilate everything and be opposed by no one like Jedi have been?
Nope never have and not all Jedi want this but all Jedi want to have fun
As do non-Jedi. The thing is, a lot of Jedi seem to forget that there are 35 other professions here that they have to share a game with. When you dominate everyone in all aspects of the game for the most part... people will do one of 2 things. A) Become Jedi themselves or B) Eventually quit because there are too many Jedi.
PvP is dead, unless you are a Jedi or BH. GCW is dead, unless you are a Jedi or a BH... what about the people who do not wish to be either a BH or a Jedi? Like I said, there are 35 other professions besides Jedi out there.
that is a very well put argument, and one that I have long stated as why so many people are either jedi haters, or are grinding jedi.
On the topic of too many BH-no where in any of the movies are we led to beilieve that the proffession is a scarce one. True, we only see a few, but at the same time, we only see 3 smugglers (Han, Lando, and I count Chewie by guilt of association), a skiff full of pikemen, a few garoeans (i.e. swordsman-although shouldn't they be called axemen? lol) and around 5 or 6 dancers in jabba's palace. For the ammount of time devoted to actually seeing BH in any form-roughly 3 minutes total, we see I believe 9 (Boba, Bossk, Dengar, Zuckus, 4-Lom, IG-88, Greedo, Djas Puhr, and Aura Sing). That is a lot of characters for so short of a screen time. Again though, noowhere is it stated that this is a class of people that are not prolific-but it does state, several times, that jedi are all but exticnt-and Yoda himself even states that when he is dead, Luke will be the LAST OF THE JEDI. Now I know that there are many books where jedi are in hiding, survied the purge, and what not, but I like to go by the movies-so there are not many jedi-they are all dead other than Luke by RoTJ. Now, to account for all of the jedi in this game, you could say that they are all that remain of the jedi, and that the jedi are finally being hunted to the extinction that we here about later on in the movies. If this is the case-then the demand for thugs, cut throats, assassins, and the normal Bounty Hunter types would be very high-and so there would be a lot more of them than what would normally be the case. As long as there is good money in it-there will be no end of people stepping into the proffession. The money is good right now......
... and that's what the "hunt" is all about. Match wits with your quarry, better them with tactics and firepower. Things have changed, tactics will change. If it didn't then things would just be boring. Good luck in the search of your new template. Bounty Hunters and such will be monitoring and retooling likewise...
Enix_Dayspring wrote:
Zade_Taerin wrote:
I've been perusing through the Jedi boards and all I see is doom-and-gloom over impending nerfage. The common response: we will have no chance against a good BH'ror multiple BH'rs, it's either cloak and run or be destroyed...
Hmmm... in the current supposed time-line of Star Wars Galaxy the Jedi have been hunted to near extinction. They are to be hunted and destroyed by order of the state... they are running, hiding or dying... looks like we may actually get back to the "true" timeline after all...
Just an observation... good luck to you all, both Jedi and BH'rs...
Silly Bounty Hunters.
Don't you know any time any change is made to the game there is a huge uproar and Armageddon & the demise of the game is prophesied?
Give them a couple weeks to adjust and figure out what the new FOTM template is and then the Boba Fett wannabe's will go back to complaining that they should be the equal of a Jedi Knight again.
Just think what I'll be able to do now that I don't have to have those 89 skill points for Defender anymore.....
*rubs hands together*
Etyrnal wrote:
The problem is that to many people paint with wide brushes. I am a Jedi, the only PvP I have done is when BHs come for me and that has happened only twice in 6 months. I have not doneany base raids since becoming a Jedi. I enjoy grouping with my guildmates and doing hunts and what little content that is out there. So please don't say all, because you just look stupid because you do not know all.
If you've only been attacked by BH's twice in the last 6 months you're doing something wrong. Think of all the BH's you're robbing of content.
ShaikeRamjet wrote:
What? Are we supposed to be in hiding? Are we being hunted by the Emperor and exterminated like roaches? I don't remember that in any of the stories... wow, here I thought all along that Jedi were supposed to be rare.
WookieOgre wrote:
Zade_Taerin wrote:
I've been perusing through the Jedi boards and all I see is doom-and-gloom over impending nerfage. The common response: we will have no chance against a good BH'ror multiple BH'rs, it's either cloak and run or be destroyed...
Hmmm... in the current supposed time-line of Star Wars Galaxy the Jedi have been hunted to near extinction. They are to be hunted and destroyed by order of the state... they are running, hiding or dying... looks like we may actually get back to the "true" timeline after all...
Just an observation... good luck to you all, both Jedi and BH'rs...
If you think for one minute the changes are made because of any kind of time-line, sorry not true. The changes were made because no one could think of any kind of way to balance the power Jedi had over regular players. It's always easier to nerf. The doom and gloom is wrong and right. On one hand they are correct that pretty much Jedi being top dog is over but it doesn't mean we still have to roll over and die. In regular PvP we will be able to die like the rest of melee players now.....the problem is going to be with BH missions which I'll bet is going to be changing very soon.
btw, if they wanted to follow the true time line....hmmm I can think of A LOT that is completely out of place in this game (too many BH's for one).
lol, well obviously they were since I never saw half the population in the movies/books being a BH! Also, I'm a dark Jedi and the Emperor used Dark Jedi to do his work, look at Mara Jade. They were just not as powerful.
I will agree though with your point Jedi should have been more rare, blame that on all the whiners who wanted the village and Jedi to be made for carebears. The moment normal players started grinding Jedi and complaining I knew it was almost a matter of time before the nerf bat came out. If I could go back and be in charge of this game, I would keep the grinding professions as the unlock method, keep Saber TEF, keep weekly death counter (5 death per week, after that skill loss), and lastly make sure no Jedi is able to grind ANY Jedi xp at any POI (make it so all mobs give 1 Jedi xp no matter their level).
Zade_Taerin wrote:
I've been perusing through the Jedi boards and all I see is doom-and-gloom over impending nerfage. The common response: we will have no chance against a good BH'ror multiple BH'rs, it's either cloak and run or be destroyed...
Hmmm... in the current supposed time-line of Star Wars Galaxy the Jedi have been hunted to near extinction. They are to be hunted and destroyed by order of the state... they are running, hiding or dying... looks like we may actually get back to the "true" timeline after all...
Just an observation... good luck to you all, both Jedi and BH'rs...
Um, practially all cities in the game are rebel controlled. The majority of players and in effect the populace of the game are rebel. How on earth can the game possible be anything at all like the timeline with being the status-quo when the timeline says the galaxy is ruled by theempire and the rebels are a small band of freedom fighters?
It would only be like the timeline if the rebels were hunted just the same as jedi seeing as there is supposed to be a war after all. Pity the empire are smart enough to hand out bio-sigs on jedi butbut too dumb to do the samefor the guys they are supposed to be hunting down to end the war.
You need to visit Kettemoor then... all cities are Imperial. Rebels pulled up bases and refused to defend against the base exploit squads. As for being hunted as a Rebel I would very much welcome it. Running blockades in space, having to fight through checkpoints... it would be a hoot!
Jarred-infinity wrote:
Zade_Taerin wrote:
I've been perusing through the Jedi boards and all I see is doom-and-gloom over impending nerfage. The common response: we will have no chance against a good BH'ror multiple BH'rs, it's either cloak and run or be destroyed...
Hmmm... in the current supposed time-line of Star Wars Galaxy the Jedi have been hunted to near extinction. They are to be hunted and destroyed by order of the state... they are running, hiding or dying... looks like we may actually get back to the "true" timeline after all...
Just an observation... good luck to you all, both Jedi and BH'rs...
Um, practially all cities in the game are rebel controlled. The majority of players and in effect the populace of the game are rebel. How on earth can the game possible be anything at all like the timeline with being the status-quo when the timeline says the galaxy is ruled by theempire and the rebels are a small band of freedom fighters?
It would only be like the timeline if the rebels were hunted just the same as jedi seeing as there is supposed to be a war after all. Pity the empire are smart enough to hand out bio-sigs on jedi butbut too dumb to do the samefor the guys they are supposed to be hunting down to end the war.
Zade_Taerin wrote:
You need to visit Kettemoor then... all cities are Imperial. Rebels pulled up bases and refused to defend against the base exploit squads. As for being hunted as a Rebel I would very much welcome it. Running blockades in space, having to fight through checkpoints... it would be a hoot!
Jarred-infinity wrote:
Zade_Taerin wrote:
I've been perusing through the Jedi boards and all I see is doom-and-gloom over impending nerfage. The common response: we will have no chance against a good BH'ror multiple BH'rs, it's either cloak and run or be destroyed...
Hmmm... in the current supposed time-line of Star Wars Galaxy the Jedi have been hunted to near extinction. They are to be hunted and destroyed by order of the state... they are running, hiding or dying... looks like we may actually get back to the "true" timeline after all...
Just an observation... good luck to you all, both Jedi and BH'rs...
Um, practially all cities in the game are rebel controlled. The majority of players and in effect the populace of the game are rebel. How on earth can the game possible be anything at all like the timeline with being the status-quo when the timeline says the galaxy is ruled by theempire and the rebels are a small band of freedom fighters?
It would only be like the timeline if the rebels were hunted just the same as jedi seeing as there is supposed to be a war after all. Pity the empire are smart enough to hand out bio-sigs on jedi butbut too dumb to do the samefor the guys they are supposed to be hunting down to end the war.
Its a shame that your sever is oneof the few like that. I choose to be imperial on mine for a reason I never imagined when I bought the game. It was because I like to play the under-dog but I don't see things changing 
As for player faction missions I have to say I would welcome them too, those and BH missions for continued failure. It wouldn't be a big deal to die but i think if they gave modest rewards for both the hunter and hunted it would be a blast. Not too many people who hunt seem to like the idea of having to be on their toes instead though, which is a shame.
Jarred-infinity wrote:
Zade_Taerin wrote:
You need to visit Kettemoor then... all cities are Imperial. Rebels pulled up bases and refused to defend against the base exploit squads. As for being hunted as a Rebel I would very much welcome it. Running blockades in space, having to fight through checkpoints... it would be a hoot!
Jarred-infinity wrote:
Zade_Taerin wrote:
I've been perusing through the Jedi boards and all I see is doom-and-gloom over impending nerfage. The common response: we will have no chance against a good BH'ror multiple BH'rs, it's either cloak and run or be destroyed...
Hmmm... in the current supposed time-line of Star Wars Galaxy the Jedi have been hunted to near extinction. They are to be hunted and destroyed by order of the state... they are running, hiding or dying... looks like we may actually get back to the "true" timeline after all...
Just an observation... good luck to you all, both Jedi and BH'rs...
Um, practially all cities in the game are rebel controlled. The majority of players and in effect the populace of the game are rebel. How on earth can the game possible be anything at all like the timeline with being the status-quo when the timeline says the galaxy is ruled by theempire and the rebels are a small band of freedom fighters?
It would only be like the timeline if the rebels were hunted just the same as jedi seeing as there is supposed to be a war after all. Pity the empire are smart enough to hand out bio-sigs on jedi butbut too dumb to do the samefor the guys they are supposed to be hunting down to end the war.
Its a shame that your sever is oneof the few like that. I choose to be imperial on mine for a reason I never imagined when I bought the game. It was because I like to play the under-dog but I don't see things changing
As for player faction missions I have to say I would welcome them too, those and BH missions for continued failure. It wouldn't be a big deal to die but i think if they gave modest rewards for both the hunter and hunted it would be a blast. Not too many people who hunt seem to like the idea of having to be on their toes instead though, which is a shame.
Wanderhome is like that too. Imperials own nearly everything.
topfuel wrote:
Real Jedi will learn how to fight, while the rest of you that need a magic button to beat a character class that is like 50% less powerfull than you will fall by the wayside as you never deserved your bugzappers in the first place.
Bring back skill and skill point loss on both sides!
BINGO. I've found that most people that are jedi never pvp'd before they went jedi...now suddenly its what they want to do all day long (once they've finished their templates)...lets seperate the men from the boys now.
Enix_Dayspring wrote:
Zade_Taerin wrote:
I've been perusing through the Jedi boards and all I see is doom-and-gloom over impending nerfage. The common response: we will have no chance against a good BH'ror multiple BH'rs, it's either cloak and run or be destroyed...
Hmmm... in the current supposed time-line of Star Wars Galaxy the Jedi have been hunted to near extinction. They are to be hunted and destroyed by order of the state... they are running, hiding or dying... looks like we may actually get back to the "true" timeline after all...
Just an observation... good luck to you all, both Jedi and BH'rs...
Silly Bounty Hunters.
Don't you know any time any change is made to the game there is a huge uproar and Armageddon & the demise of the game is prophesied?
Give them a couple weeks to adjust and figure out what the new FOTM template is and then the Boba Fett wannabe's will go back to complaining that they should be the equal of a Jedi Knight again.
Just think what I'll be able to do now that I don't have to have those 89 skill points for Defender anymore.....
*rubs hands together*
It is a terrible thing that jedi will be the demise of the game. The devs opted out of adding new interesting content and instead added a long grinding profession to keep customers paying....that's the flaw. You cannot blametrying to balance the game. The flaw is that they gave the power to begin with.
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
FernGully wrote:
REDLION78 wrote:
Combat and Bomb Droids can track and attack cloaked Jedi...Force Run + Force Cloak = Force Drain...No Force + MBH =Dead Jedi
Yeah, that bug is getting more and more commonly abused.
On original topic, tho...Maybe you're right? Maybe this is more star warsy. And you're right, that is a good thing. But the bad thing is, it will end up angering yet another wave of players into quitting. And quitting players is not really good for the game. No matter what kind of players they are/were. Less players = less in-game economy consumers, and less players = less subscriber dollars towards staff budget.
It's not abused. It makes perfect sense to be able to target someone you can't see.'Sides, it lets BH's kill Jedi and that's what it's all about.
Yes...it makes PERFECT sense that my droid can track you while your cloaked.
Force Cloak:
This ability allows the Jedi to cloud the MINDS of those nearby into not seeing the Jedi.
Using Force Cloak does NOT mean you are not there...it mean you have the ability to trick the mind into not seeing you. As far as I know...droids don't have minds. As a matter of fact, I'd be willing to bet that this ability wouldn't work on all creatures that cannot be effected by "Jedi mind tricks"...like Jaba and Watto. So yes....I'd say working as intended.
As for the /tar bug/exploit....that should be fixed. Although being cloaked does render the Jedi immune to all attacks, we shouldn't know where you are. I don't think it effects the professions that much though. And for that matter, no one should be able to /tar a rifleman using cover.
As for you LN, your really starting to sound like you mean most of what your saying...or at least trying to hide behind it as sarcasm. Look, you and I BOTH know that the BH profession is just being "set up". If history has taught me ANYTHING....it's that whenever things look pretty decent for BHs vs. Jedi, we usually get kicked right back down 3 weeks (or less) after it goes to live. So please...spare your dignity and stop "acting" like a lost puppy that got beat too much. Pub 19 hasn't even hit live servers yet, and the Jedi forum is full of "ckicken littles". Jedi have no idea what it means to be nerfed, let alone nerfed for so long.
Even if the Devs took away a Jedi(s) ability to hold a weapon, even a lightsaber, most jedi still have an option to pick up both Force Run AND Cloak to escape most BH encounter. What it sounds like to me...is that Jedi are upset that they will no longer be able to kill the BHs that DO come after them as fast as they enjoyed before Pub 19. As of right now, Jedi gain NOTHING from killing a BH, so why would it matter how strong you are against a BH when the option to escape is still there? I don't even think BHs will be part of the new FRS system once it returns. So there you have it...the Devs have made (for the time being) escape the best option for Jedi...what's so wrong with that? I'll tell you whats wrong with it....Jedi have enjoyed beating up on BHs for a very long time, and now that the margin for error has been reduced, it's a big deal.
You do have my sympathy though, even if you don't want it.
I imagine it's a very different feeling to see your profession be reduced to the "easy to obtain AFK" status that it is currently. For sometime, I felt a little upset that the Devs changed the requirements for BH. When I finally achieved MBH, the profession called for Master Scout and Master Marksman. Two times now they have changed the requirements to it's current status of 76 skill points to INV III (allowing Jedi missions). 76 points...do you know how many it takes to master marksman? 77. It takes one less skill point to hunt Jedi then it does to master a starting profession. Throw in the respec, and you have tons of BHs walking around who didn't go through a fraction of what I went through to obtain my title. Not a fraction. The difference here is this...our profession became easier to both obtain AND master due to "system design". The Devs simply changed the rules...okay, no problem. What I see going on with the Jedi profession is that it's being destroyed by "system failure". One of the BIGGEST soapboxes Jedi had about the strength of it's profession was the difficulty in obtaining it, and moreover, the difficulty in leveling. Given it's current state, and the mass numbers of exploiting Jedi going AFK while abusing system flaws, I think it's next to impossible to actually think the Jedi profession has a leg to stand on, when it comes to "strength for difficulty". These new Jedi are destroying the Jedi profession, or at least the rational for the power of a Jedi. Believe it. But don't get mad at us, cynical I can see, but not mad or pissy. It's the Devs that allow it, or maybe they just can't fix it? Either way, like I said, you have (your profession) has my sympathy. Mark my words though....we (BHs) are being set up....I know it.