Bounty Hunter Archive

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Kaldran wrote:

The following statement is one I keep getting from Jedi, either after I kill them in game, or here on the forum as an excuse for sending hate tells in game:

'How would you like it if I foced PvP on you and made you lose xp that you had worked hard for?'

I have several objections to this statement, as follows:

1. There is no such thing as 'forced PvP'. A BH attacks a jedi because of choices that the Jedi has made. The Jedi chose to play SWG - a MMORG - in which other real ppl can affect the game. They then chose to become a jedi. Having become a jedi, they then chose to do things which got them vis, and thus on the terms. Nobody made them do any of these things, they chose to do them, and they knew the ramifications of each of these decisions. Whilst grping will get a Jedi xp faster, they do NOT need to grp to get xp, no matter wot lvl of jedi they are. Even brand knew paddies can solo IF they choose to drop non-jedi combat skills to get their CL to a point where solo grind is feasible. Getting on the terms is a choice, not a requirement.

2. OK, so you lost some xp - I'm sure its annoying - but if the 'grind' to full jedi template is such a naus to you, the answer is simple - choose another prof! Do not take out your frustrations by sending abusive /tells to another real person that beat you in a fight on a computer game! (this last statement really applies to everybody, not just jedi)

Now I know not all jedi whine like this. Some are totally reasonable about it, and I have had many good conversations with jedi after a fight, regardless of who won. Unfortunately, mostly I get hate tells, again regardless of who won. To those who send the hate tells; C'mon, get a grip! This is a game!

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Dlek_Krego wrote:

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Kaldran wrote:

The following statement is one I keep getting from Jedi, either after I kill them in game, or here on the forum as an excuse for sending hate tells in game:

'How would you like it if I foced PvP on you and made you lose xp that you had worked hard for?'

I have several objections to this statement, as follows:

1. There is no such thing as 'forced PvP'. A BH attacks a jedi because of choices that the Jedi has made. The Jedi chose to play SWG - a MMORG - in which other real ppl can affect the game. They then chose to become a jedi. Having become a jedi, they then chose to do things which got them vis, and thus on the terms. Nobody made them do any of these things, they chose to do them, and they knew the ramifications of each of these decisions. Whilst grping will get a Jedi xp faster, they do NOT need to grp to get xp, no matter wot lvl of jedi they are. Even brand knew paddies can solo IF they choose to drop non-jedi combat skills to get their CL to a point where solo grind is feasible. Getting on the terms is a choice, not a requirement.

2. OK, so you lost some xp - I'm sure its annoying - but if the 'grind' to full jedi template is such a naus to you, the answer is simple - choose another prof! Do not take out your frustrations by sending abusive /tells to another real person that beat you in a fight on a computer game! (this last statement really applies to everybody, not just jedi)

Now I know not all jedi whine like this. Some are totally reasonable about it, and I have had many good conversations with jedi after a fight, regardless of who won. Unfortunately, mostly I get hate tells, again regardless of who won. To those who send the hate tells; C'mon, get a grip! This is a game!

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It's ok, you can sit up there on your high horse now and "edumacate" us on how our profession is supposed to be... but your "fixes" are coming soon too. So when you can't go pick the lowest mark you can find or get multiple BH's on the same mark, we'll be sure to "edumacate" you on how your profession is supposed to be when you're filling your threads full of belly-aches.

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Dlek_Krego wrote:

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Kaldran wrote:

The following statement is one I keep getting from Jedi, either after I kill them in game, or here on the forum as an excuse for sending hate tells in game:

'How would you like it if I foced PvP on you and made you lose xp that you had worked hard for?'

I have several objections to this statement, as follows:

1. There is no such thing as 'forced PvP'. A BH attacks a jedi because of choices that the Jedi has made. The Jedi chose to play SWG - a MMORG - in which other real ppl can affect the game. They then chose to become a jedi. Having become a jedi, they then chose to do things which got them vis, and thus on the terms. Nobody made them do any of these things, they chose to do them, and they knew the ramifications of each of these decisions. Whilst grping will get a Jedi xp faster, they do NOT need to grp to get xp, no matter wot lvl of jedi they are. Even brand knew paddies can solo IF they choose to drop non-jedi combat skills to get their CL to a point where solo grind is feasible. Getting on the terms is a choice, not a requirement.

2. OK, so you lost some xp - I'm sure its annoying - but if the 'grind' to full jedi template is such a naus to you, the answer is simple - choose another prof! Do not take out your frustrations by sending abusive /tells to another real person that beat you in a fight on a computer game! (this last statement really applies to everybody, not just jedi)

Now I know not all jedi whine like this. Some are totally reasonable about it, and I have had many good conversations with jedi after a fight, regardless of who won. Unfortunately, mostly I get hate tells, again regardless of who won. To those who send the hate tells; C'mon, get a grip! This is a game!

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It's ok, you can sit up there on your high horse now and "edumacate" us on how our profession is supposed to be... but your "fixes" are coming soon too. So when you can't go pick the lowest mark you can find or get multiple BH's on the same mark, we'll be sure to "edumacate" you on how your profession is supposed to be when you're filling your threads full of belly-aches.

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Dear Mr High and Mighty Jedi,

No where in that post did he try to tell you how to perform in your chosen profession. The point of his post was that being Jedi you are subject to PvP; namely being hunted by BHs. That Jedi are hunted by BHs has been a well known game mechanic since the first Jedi unlocked. The fact that you took his post and ran with it, in the completely opposite direction, just goes to show that you have no interest in a constructive discussion. When and if the various 'fixes' you refered to are implemented there may indeed by a few BHs that come to the forums to vent their frustration. The majority though will use the resourcefulness that comes with being an experienced BH and overcome any obstacles that SOE my place before us in their never ending catering to the Jedi. In short, we will continue to hunt, Jedi will continue to be hunted and those that don't like it can always drop Jedi and try a safe profession... like Chef.

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ibedolly wrote:

im such a noob what does vis mean and how do you stop it from happening does a real player have to see that your a jedi and do something with a bh terminal or what not

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ok, here my 2 cent to this discussion:

First of all, its right, who becomes paddy, gets the risk to get hunted by BHs, no doubt about that.

Now the reality ingame:

In my carreer to a fulltemp-jedi i got killed twice by BHs, in the following, unfine manner:

First death: 3 BHs at once, grouped against me, attacking me while fighting an elder in the back with 3! again 3!!!

vs. 1 distracted by a highlevelmob. That they were same faction doesnt bother me, as this is no argument in my eyes, if a BH does his job ^^

But what really bothers me, is that each of them knew, that BH vs. Jedi is officially considered as 1 on 1!

So i call it a "soft exploit", using a weakness in the missionsystem to spoil others game experience, for at that time i was worth like 140k on the terms. Now tell me, that such a "mark" requires 3 MBHs to engage in a fair fight? ridiculous

So this is not fair, not fun, just bashing others and spoiling fun.

Second time there were two BHs doing the same, attacking me while i was fighting the Katarn at 160k worth on the terms.

My solution to this all:

As it is possible to become a padawan without ever doing PVP at all, why not give roleplayers and PVE-players the chance (once in a characters lifetime and for always) to retire from all PVP-related actions?

That would fe mean, you get paddy and decide while doing the trails, wether you wanna become a knight whatever later on = PVP and terminals

...or not = no PVP with that toon, no healing in PVP, no buffing of PVPers, no GCW.

Personally i accept the actual game and the consequences it has to me as jedi, but i would choose "no pvp", for i dont like PVP in this game for many reasons and simply wanna use my jedi to roleplay and do quests fe. like i always did.

So here is where "forced to PVP" - argument comes from.

Not every jedi is a PVP-fan, but every BH is, as he decides to hunt playerchars.

A solution like figured above would once for all times stop all the harrassment, hate-tells, community-spoiling exploit-complaints.

Then the PVPers would be among themselves and nobody could ever start to complain again about forced to PVP.

One of the very strong credits of this game is the all-time-opportunity to choose free, how to play. I see no reason why this has to stop, just because of the fact, that a roleplayer or PVE-fan has grinded a Lightsaberwielder.

Make it a choice once for all times for evry paddy and the community gets back to peaceful coexisting in the same second.

This is even more important, as there are so many jedi now, that it starts to effect nearly evry player!

Greetz!

MS

Master Surveyor ... /bow

Very well put post and I think its a pretty good solution to the forced PvP situation also .. Im a BH without a Jedi character but I personally couldnt enjoy this game if all the really cool social people left because they did the only thing they had left to do and became Jedi only to never be able to represent that toon ever again in a cool guild hunt or quest or cantina musical jam with others .. Im not saying there shouldnt still be some risks for the young padawan but the costs of death could be like 10k xp instead of the current system .. I personally would like to see less animosity btween the Jedi and BH .. were all roleplaying but its up to us as to how we play the role

having said that .. My first love was Master Creature Handler back in the day! It was my passion in the beggining but ... well u see how that proff is

Zylphrix

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Zylphrix wrote:

Master Surveyor ... /bow

Very well put post and I think its a pretty good solution to the forced PvP situation also .. Im a BH without a Jedi character but I personally couldnt enjoy this game if all the really cool social people left because they did the only thing they had left to do and became Jedi only to never be able to represent that toon ever again in a cool guild hunt or quest or cantina musical jam with others .. Im not saying there shouldnt still be some risks for the young padawan but the costs of death could be like 10k xp instead of the current system .. I personally would like to see less animosity btween the Jedi and BH .. were all roleplaying but its up to us as to how we play the role

having said that .. My first love was Master Creature Handler back in the day! It was my passion in the beggining but ... well u see how that proff is

Zylphrix

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OK, first of all, I totally see where you and mastersurveyor are coming from. Several of my guildmates are jedi, nad whilst they were involved in the grind to full temp, it kinda sucked that they couldn't come on guild hunts, etc any more. But herein lies the problem: This game is set between ep4-5, not ep1-3, so how can we have hundreds of Jedi running about in open site all the time (whether they are PvP active or not)? I'm not even really sure there is a solution here either, unless SOE just announce that the timeframe has moved to ep1. Assuming we stick in ep4-5, there are only 2 ways to go. Either we accept that its a game, and doesn't really bear any resmblance to ep4-5 and keep hundreds of jedi running about in the open, or a system of control is brought into place (whether its permadeath, permaloss of FS powers, whatever - big discussion in its own right, and not worth getting in to here) to keep the jedi population small and relatively hidden (and preferably with a FRS that allows the 'masters' to become as powerful as they should be, and the 'knights' to be at least x1.5 if not more).

It seems SOE is going along the first of these options, by accepting the huge pop of jedi but diluting their power so they are not GCW ruining uber. This means it is feasible for full temp jedi to go on guild hunts etc and get vis without any real worries cos they no longer need the xp or fear a BH death.

Personally I would love to see the road to Jedi Knight become a LOT harder, but also a LOT more rewarding, so we had fewer, harder Jedi, and the only way I can think of to do this is some form of permloss of FS abilities after a set number of PvP/BH deaths. If a system of this sort was brought in I would prob try for jedi myself, as the challenge of getting a jedi and staying alive would appeal to me. But thats just me, and I don't think SOE will go down this road.

Anyway, thanx for some constructive chat, and hopefully SOE will come up with something that reduces the hatred between the jedi and BH communities without removing the fun that is available to those that enjoy the hunt (from either side).

Cheers

Kal