Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Eliminate Jedi experience loss
Grifn
Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:52 am
#105
GlargTheKelfn wrote:
xp loss was put in to stop bh farming jedi. with anon missions, thats not really an issue.
It can still be an issue. You can always contact the jedi and make a deal after you identify him.
There has to be a penalty. That's undisputable.
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan
Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:04 am
#106
Grifn wrote:
GlargTheKelfn wrote:
xp loss was put in to stop bh farming jedi. with anon missions, thats not really an issue.
It can still be an issue. You can always contact the jedi and make a deal after you identify him.
There has to be a penalty. That's undisputable.
That's a "danger" existant with finished templates already.
Example: I don't care about PVP. My only PVP comes from BH's who try to take my exp from me. I'm not ever going to be interested in changing my template, even though it's far from uber, because it fits my character concept. What will I ever, ever, ever care about being 100+ million in the hole? So, it would make the most sense then, for me to tell the BH who comes after me "Hey, you can fight and potentially get nothing, or we can split it and you guarantee yourself 113k".
Grifn
Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:14 am
#107
One of the biggest problems that shouldn't be, is the fact that when a player earns a jedi, it's no longer an exta character that's the jedi, it is the main. That's the reason why some of the jedi's concerns are legit. If they would've kept it the old way, where the main stayed the same and the alt was the jedi, then they would be subject to all the necessary penalties and regulations with no legitimate gripes about it.
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan
Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:17 am
#108
Grifn wrote:
One of the biggest problems that shouldn't be, is the fact that when a player earns a jedi, it's no longer an exta character that's the jedi, it is the main. That's the reason why some of the jedi's concerns are legit. If they would've kept it the old way, where the main stayed the same and the alt was the jedi, then they would be subject to all the necessary penalties and regulations with no legitimate gripes about it.
Also one reason why permadeath won't be coming back. The second character is weirdly tied to the Jedi character, or specifically the FSCS part of the "main" character. So in permadeath, for anyone who unlocked post-9, not only the Jedi would be deleted, but the unlock character as well.
mpedersen
Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:52 am
#109
swg-albert wrote:
BH would be a hell of a lot more fun if Jedi would stay and fight. At this point in the game, why the hell would they. Jedi can only lose exp. They even gain more visibility from fighting.
If bounties were like normal PvP, a lot more Jedi would play ball.Get rid of the exp loss. At least the Jedi doesn't lose anything, and we, the BHs, can still get the bounty without standing outside a house fortwo days.
Coming from a jedi, I have to admit that xp loss is not that serious of an issue anymore. I don't think changes are needed on the loss, but how about giving the Jedi a reason to stay and fight. Perhaps if a Jedi stays/fights and wins, he gets the xp awarded to him (the same amount of xp that he was going to lose).
I've been in some BH fights where the fight went on for about 50 mins. In the end, we just agreed that it could continue to go on and he just dropped the mission and went on his way. Even without him deathblowing me, he did cause the loss of about 250k of jedi xp, how? by wasting almost an hour of game time.
So, why not give jedi a reward for fighting, a little thank you for giving the BH some content. Some xp for our time entertaining our local BH!
mpedersen
Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:53 am
#110
VanlaenSWG wrote:
They should get rid of the xp loss for jedi killed by bh on a mission and just add the perma death back in again, die in pve = exp loss ... die to bh missions 3 times = perma death
I have a solution for all jedi wanting permadeath. After you die 3 more times, DELETE YOUR JEDI AND LEAVE THE FORUMS.
GlargTheKelfn
Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:40 pm
#111
TashunkaSapa wrote:When Jedi was first introduced, the Devs couldn't even get NPC bounty missions to work right.
When BH missions first came out, Jedi were not so abundant that you could find them duelling in starports - nor so reckless.
You're right - there was no xp loss when BH missions first came out - there was permadeath.
Amazing how people forget all that.
permadeath was removed months before bh got jedi missions. get your facts straight
hraka
Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:30 pm
#112
I say bring back the xp loss on cloning. Bring back saber tef to NON-GROUP members. Bring back group tefs (both ways). Bring back names on the terminals. Put player paid bounties on the mission terminal for ANY profession. Heaven knows they nerfed bh's enough. (I am an old school jedi and considered it an honor to be hunted or ganked) An easy game leads to NO CONTENT. BH's were my content as much as I was theirs. Why is Tanks so passive about swallowing the crap you guys get fed?
negilum
Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:51 pm
#113
between permadeath and exp loss was the deathcount-skill loss system, 3 deaths in a week and you lost the last skill you trained.
Warlorddd
Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:55 pm
#114
im only killing jedis because they loose xp... how ells can we gain our joy of killing a jedi? how ells can we get those h8 tells (i really do love them :-)) im serious, if jedi xp loss is dropped, im dropping bh and goung full cm template instead of the 4xxx i have
TashunkaSapa
Mon Aug 15, 2005 4:21 pm
#115
negilum wrote:
between permadeath and exp loss was the deathcount-skill loss system, 3 deaths in a week and you lost the last skill you trained.
That's xp loss... just a different name. Losing a skill box means you spend xp to earn it back - but even that elicited whines form the Jedi.
Shaan'ti Hokai (Kauri) 
negilum
Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:08 pm
#116
TashunkaSapa wrote:
negilum wrote:
between permadeath and exp loss was the deathcount-skill loss system, 3 deaths in a week and you lost the last skill you trained.
That's xp loss... just a different name. Losing a skill box means you spend xp to earn it back - but even that elicited whines form the Jedi.
then technically permadeath would be extreme exp loss, and nice flame btw
Implementor
Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:45 pm
#117
keep jedi xp loss
reintroduce PvE xp loss
do away with no-viz-in-group
Chirikiti-Jedi Trickster