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Replying to a post that is addressed specifically to you cannot possibly constitute spamming... it simply reflects that someone should have the right of rebuttal when there's a post that addresses them specifically.

And there was never any good reason why some players should have become content for other players...

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pussycat wrote:

You can argue all you want that there were warnings, etc., but the one point that you cannot or will not try to explain is: why? Why was it so important to try to make some of the most appealing in the game (at least for a good number of players) into something that would not be equally enjoyable to players who do not like to pvp? I still have not heard of a good reason why you think this was ever a good idea. But, worry not, I honestly do not expect that neither you nor anybody else could provide a good reason. If there really was a good reason for it, player bounties would not have been eliminated.

Oh and one more thing. Tell me why the simple act of expressing an honest and vocal opinion -- and staying within the rules of the boards -- is something that you believe constitutes "imposing on others", yet hunting down and interrupting the game play of a fellow player, who may not want to engage in pvp, does not.

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Well, these are all assumptions on my part, but there it goes. In the beginning, devs wanted to implement jedi as a powerful profession and keep it rare at the same time. As we all know, they succeeded for a short time. It was undoubtedly a mistake on their part to think that players will keep away from the ultimate prize that was jedi simply with the warning that they'll be hunted and forced to stay hidden. I don't know if you're aware of this, but initially they made good efforts to keep the game according to its timeline. The turning point was when they opened jedi as a profession for players. They knew most people would go for it, so they implemented the harsh penalties during perma-death times, in an attempt to preserve continuity. But then the whining began, and we all know the rest. There's the reason in response to your first paragraph. A little cynic on their part to do that to "the most appealing thing in the game" as you put it ? Yes / maybe, it does look and feel like an experiment to me now, as I said.

Now for the 2nd paragraph: I never said pvp against people who don't like it doesn't constitute imposing Actually I agree with you, the BH system was a form of legalised griefing. Legalised, as in implemented and supported by SOE (until now). There are bounty hunters who took advantage of it simply for RP reasons, even if they didn't realize it. Fighting brainless NPCs simply doesn't cut it for some, that was the thrill of hunting someone, a "virtual" someone, but with a human mind behind it. There are of course those with a genuine agression towards the profession, but we have to agree here that people with sociopathic tendencies shouldn't dictate the fate of an entire profession. I'm sure you know jedi who are an insult to what jedi are supposed to be. I can understand the reasons why you support the end of player bounties. Really, I do. But again, they could've found middle-ground, like an opt-in system, not completely remove it and at the same time, remove the appeal for a lot of players, including BH *and* jedi.

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I know all too well that the devs originally intended it to be extremely rare, and that there would be huge challenges along the way... I am not disputing that. Just that there was no real reason that most of the danger should come from forced pvp, from other players attacking the Jedi. There could have been NPCs hunting Jedi, at the very least this would not have lent itself to griefing, personal vendettas, etc. It still could have been just as challenging, if not more (NPC's, after all, always could be given far higher HAMs than player characters).

As to your 2nd point, I agree completely!! Yes, there could have been a middle ground, some sort of opt-in system... and I think that would have been by far the best way to do it. But what were the kinds of things that some BH's were demanding shortly before the announcement about NGE? Well, among other things they were demanding that there be some sort of way to force Jedi players out of their homes, if they had a mission on them. Yeah, regardless of whether or not the Jedi mark was afk or not, some BH's wanted to have a game mechanism that allowed them to either break into the Jedi's house, or attack from the outside through some means that was not an exploits.

That was the kind of mentality that, in my opinion, would have made it virtually impossible to achieve the "middle-ground" which, I believe we both agree, would have been mutually satisfactory for pvp'ers and non-pvp'ers.

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DTQ wrote:

**edit** cat one reply to a post aimed at you in particular is one thing repeatedly posting the same messagein every thread you see anywhere IS.

I disagree completely about players being content, this game is a MMORPG by definition the whole point of the game is interaction with other players, All players are all other players content. The game is absed on films specifically about killing and wars, the odd player vs player encounter is kind of logical.

I for one would have supported entirely Personal visits from Lord Vader on gaining Vis, over player bounties any day.

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I am simply replying to other posts addressed to me specifically...which, again, is not against the forum rules AFAIK. Of course that hunted Jedi were content, you were just complaining about BH's having content removed from their profession... you said, specificallly, "those who are upset over losing their content".

Message Edited by pussycat on 11-08-2005 04:04 AM

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pussycat wrote:

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I am simply replying to other posts addressed to me specifically...which, again, is not against the forum rules AFAIK. Of course that hunted Jedi were content, you were just complaining about BH's having content removed from their profession... you said, specificallly, "those who are upset over losing their content".

Message Edited by pussycat on 11-08-2005 04:04 AM

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DTQ wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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I am simply replying to other posts addressed to me specifically...which, again, is not against the forum rules AFAIK. Of course that hunted Jedi were content, you were just complaining about BH's having content removed from their profession... you said, specificallly, "those who are upset over losing their content".

Message Edited by pussycat on 11-08-2005 04:04 AM

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I WASN'T complaining about BH having their content removed. I am however concerned about those who insist upon trolling trying to upset those who ARE upset about losing their content. Myself I will have plenty of fun in the new system without having to hunt Jedi.

However I seriously hope that now that BH and Jedi are seperated the Jedi hate can be moved along to the GCW forums instead. And perhaps the Jedi can leave the BH to explore their brave new gaming world. I for one will be remaining BH and will never be making a Jedi toon.

I entered this game to play a humble artisan in the galaxies universe, along the way Ive also enjoyed playing in bands, dancing etc etc, BH \ TKM is my first combat profession.

You will also find I have little negative to say about the NGE, Ive played a few hours of it and enjoy it. Despite running around with a weapon dealing a fearsome 11 damage . Ive reached CL7 and already have a snare attack. I think BH is gonna be a fun template post NGE, regardless of the Jedi situation.

As far as living in the starwars galaxy goes, Im just gonna have to pretend the sea of white padawan robes is in fact farmer outfits ala Luke in episode 1.

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You were not saying that BH's had their content removed? You specifically said "those who are upset about losing their content". Yet in a follow-up post, yet later you said that you disagreed completely "that players were content".

I am happy that you are looking forward to enjoying the new aspects of the game with the so-called NGE, I trust that if and when you feel like pvp'ing, there will be plenty of other players who will share the same preferrence, and that your gaming experience will be a positive one, and hopefully someday we'll just forget about all of these discussions.

Best of luck!

AMEN

Couldn't have said it better myself. It's not that I dislike Jedi; it's that I dislike trolls that make the forum experience unpleasent. I am not posting to every board I can find (as you are). I have a problem with someone who is on some type of mission to upset players that have apparently lost an aspect of the game that they enjoy simply to rub their nose in it. Please go away.

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pussycat wrote:



You were not saying that BH's had their content removed? You specifically said "those who are upset about losing their content". Yet in a follow-up post, yet later you said that you disagreed completely "that players were content".

I am happy that you are looking forward to enjoying the new aspects of the game with the so-called NGE, I trust that if and when you feel like pvp'ing, there will be plenty of other players who will share the same preferrence, and that your gaming experience will be a positive one, and hopefully someday we'll just forget about all of these discussions.

Best of luck!

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NewEye wrote:

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Remember Pusscat, I am not a PvPer nor a great Jedi hunter, I am NOT hugely upset by the removal of Jedi bounties. I am however concerned about the effects of trolls spamming our board with the same redundant message. Being neither contructive nor helpful, trying to incite flame wars with those who are upset about losing their content. When BH should be focussing on their future.

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AMEN

Couldn't have said it better myself. It's not that I dislike Jedi; it's that I dislike trolls that make the forum experience unpleasent. I am not posting to every board I can find (as you are). I have a problem with someone who is on some type of mission to upset players that have apparently lost an aspect of the game that they enjoy simply to rub their nose in it. Please go away.

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Some players lost a certain amount of access to the game content because of the game mechanic of player bounties... you complaint about someone simply voicing an opinion (and it really is nothing more) because you say some may not want to hear that opinion. But as long as players express their opinions respectfully, they should be able to post in any forum that may be deemed appropriate. On the other hand, players imposing a game style to others players who didn't care for it is, by your standards, perfectly acceptable. So you could at the very least accept that you are applying a double standard here...

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DTQ wrote:

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pussycat wrote:



You were not saying that BH's had their content removed? You specifically said "those who are upset about losing their content". Yet in a follow-up post, yet later you said that you disagreed completely "that players were content".

I am happy that you are looking forward to enjoying the new aspects of the game with the so-called NGE, I trust that if and when you feel like pvp'ing, there will be plenty of other players who will share the same preferrence, and that your gaming experience will be a positive one, and hopefully someday we'll just forget about all of these discussions.

Best of luck!

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BH ARE having some of their content removed, I AM NOT complaining about it. SOME BH ARE upset about losing that content. Simple enough?

I disagreed with your statement that Players should not be content for other players. I stated that all players are a form of content for other players. The content BH are losing specifically is hunting and tracking Jedi. People coming in here telling them they were griefers immature dense or lacking in personality for taking part in that content is neither constructive nor helpful.

I dislike such posting every bit as much as I object to a BH posting in the Jedi forums that everyones wasted their work and they are getting 200 max damage sabres post NGE and that everyone and their dog can be a Jedi now.

And yes When I feel like PvP I dont doubt that there will be other people at the same time wanting PvP, and we can all enjoy the challenge together happily, just as when I dont feel like PvP I can happily roam the galaxy doing whatever takes my fancy. When completely bored of combat altogether I have my crafters to go use.

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To me, it sounded like you were first saying that Jedi players were BH content, then saying they weren't... in either case, if there was some room for misunderstanding, we can just set that point aside.

You tell me know, with a straight face, that simply pointing out that some BH's griefed other players is "neither constructive nor helpful". But was anybody in these forums expressing any concern when BH's routinely came here and bragged, openly and shamelessly, about the things they had done or planned to do to grief players who had a Jedi character, and in some cases, even the people who were grouped with them (even if non-Jedi)? Or when BH's kept clamoring that Jedi should be attackable somehow even when they were inside their homes or another private residence? How were those posts constructive or helpful towards making the situation better for all involved?

Now you actually say that simply pointing out the obvious (that there was some griefing going on as a result of player bounties) is actually worse than some of the other things that have been posted here? Gimme a break!

At any rate, hope you enjoy the game with all of your toons, just as surely as all peace-loving Jedi will enjoy a greater degree of peace and tranquility that was ever given to us before.

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NewEye wrote:

You seem to be a fairly intelligent person; however, your posts can be interpreted that you do not fully understand what is going on. Let me rephrase: Alot of us on these boards whether we have issues with the game or not will post and bicker about them. HOWEVER we do not go from board to board to board to board to board to board voicing our opinions. It is ridiculous that you have established yourself with a reputation of posting on EVERY board and saying the same thing over and over. You are providing no new content. OK WE GET IT, WE UNDERSTAND, PLEASE STOP POSTING THE SAME CRAP. That is what is making people angry with you. Not your opinions but the fact that you troll the boards and post the same thing on every board.

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This is a gross oversimplification, obviously it would be physically impossible to literally post on every board of these forum; even Tiggs cannot possibly hope to accomplish such a goal. Nor was it my intention to have to belabor a point that I thought was more or less a matter of public knowledge.

Unless I'm very much mistaken, these forums contain an ignore function... if you don't like what someone has to say, simply use the ignore function... instead of trying to apply censorship on the boards against players whose opinions you do not like.

They have an ignore? Holy crap I'm there. I will check into this immediately!

Message Edited by NewEye on 11-08-2005 09:08 AM