Bounty Hunter Archive

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Cerosis wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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ChefRubio wrote:

Aura Siing (sp?) and Mara Jade were bounty hunters that were famous for hunting and killing jedi. They were both Force sensitive, and Siing collected her slain target's sabers around her belt.

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That's expanded universe... if EU is your cup of tea, well, I respect that, but what I said specifically was that this was never shown in the movies... the vast majority of people who dig Star Wars came to like it because of the movies, not because of the EU. The raison d'etre for the EU is twofold, it exists partly for financial reasons and partly to please SW fans who wanted more than what was in the movies... but there have been many examples when something was portrayed a certain way in EU that was later contradicted in the movies... because it's Lucas' prerrogative to correct others on things that may have been inaccurate.

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stricktly speaking, you're right, jedi weren't hunted by BH. But Luke Skywalker had a bounty on his head posted by the empire(I believe that's listed on the star wars databank)

Technically speaking though, Order 66 declared all jedi criminals and enemies of the Empire, therefore they would be hunted down and killed by people who have trained to do just that, bounty Hunters. Obi-wan talked in riddles to luke because he didn't want to get any anger going that might lead him down the dark path to the dark side. We can see that when Obi-Wan says Vader killed anikan. So there is no reason to believe obi-wan wasn't refering to Anikans murder of the jedi at the temple.

Yes, the movies don't directly say bounty hunters hunted jedi(although it is implied) but the movies in no way show that jedi were not hunted by bounty hunters.

And the EU is supported by lucasarts, and most star wars fans take the EU as real as long as it doesn't contradict the movies. Most of the EU fits into the movies quite well, there are only select parts that stand out as being non-conforming(the death star being created in the Maw Cluster compared to being designed on Geonosis being one of the obvious deviations) This is because the books were written first, and honestly, some times it is near impossible to tell it exactly like the books because that would have taken a whole lot more movies, either that or it wouldn't have made sense to anybody who doesnt' read the EU. Personally, i'd rather have the movies contradict the books once in a while rather then see a lot of people confused and unsure of what the movies are showing because some information was left out.

A good example of this is Lord of the Rings. There was a lot of stuff taken out of the movies that was in the books to shorten them. Tom Bambadil(SP?) for one because although his character was amazingly put together, it was something that could be removed/changed without the core story changing. Same with the death star plans and the rest.

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It doesn't change the main fact... and that is that you could spend 12-13 hours watching all of the Star Wars movies and not ONCE would you see a bounty hunter taking a Jedi mission... something that would be so irrelevant as to not even be depicted in the movies (which are, after all, telling a much larger story) obviously isn't a big part of the Star Wars story... it's as simple as that.

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pussycat wrote:

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Cerosis wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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Ebris wrote:

No such thing...You had to be

A) Overt or Special Forces.

B) Step into a Battle Field

C) You know fully well what you're about to get yourself into.

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There was a time before you had the choices of "on leave", "combatant" or "special forces"... it involved simply being "covert" or "overt", and you could get a faction TEF simply for running a PVE mission... yet have no idea that you were TEF'd. So yeah, that also constituted forced pvp.

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You had to attack NPC's, or heal somebody overt to get the TEF, which are all actions people made, and thus still made it not forced.

The only thing is that you didn't know you had a TEF till they gave the icon, but everybody knew attacking Bucketheads would give them a TEF, and would make them attackable. It was explained when you joined a faction.

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Many players were unaware, at least initially, about the fact that running PVE missions could get you "flagged" for PVP. It made it no more welcome just because it happened inadvertently. But it was still forced pvp.

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ah, what the heck.

If a player didn't know about it, that means they didn't read the rules behind the GCW when you signed up. Ask anybody, just because you don't know stealing is a crime doesn't mean when you steal and get caught, you won't get in trouble for it. Simply put, just because you didn't read what you were getting into doesn't make it force PvP, it makes the person involved "Ignorant" of the fact(like being ignorant that stealing is a crime).

And i don't mean ignorant as in stupid or dumb, i mean ignorant as in lack of understanding or knowledge

FOR THE LOVE OF VADER AND ALL THAT IS UNPURE LOCK THIS GOD DAMN THREAD!

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Cerosis wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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Cerosis wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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Ebris wrote:

No such thing...You had to be

A) Overt or Special Forces.

B) Step into a Battle Field

C) You know fully well what you're about to get yourself into.

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There was a time before you had the choices of "on leave", "combatant" or "special forces"... it involved simply being "covert" or "overt", and you could get a faction TEF simply for running a PVE mission... yet have no idea that you were TEF'd. So yeah, that also constituted forced pvp.

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You had to attack NPC's, or heal somebody overt to get the TEF, which are all actions people made, and thus still made it not forced.

The only thing is that you didn't know you had a TEF till they gave the icon, but everybody knew attacking Bucketheads would give them a TEF, and would make them attackable. It was explained when you joined a faction.

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Many players were unaware, at least initially, about the fact that running PVE missions could get you "flagged" for PVP. It made it no more welcome just because it happened inadvertently. But it was still forced pvp.

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ah, what the heck.

If a player didn't know about it, that means they didn't read the rules behind the GCW when you signed up. Ask anybody, just because you don't know stealing is a crime doesn't mean when you steal and get caught, you won't get in trouble for it. Simply put, just because you didn't read what you were getting into doesn't make it force PvP, it makes the person involved "Ignorant" of the fact(like being ignorant that stealing is a crime).

And i don't mean ignorant as in stupid or dumb, i mean ignorant as in lack of understanding or knowledge

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There were certainly no system messages like the ones you see today, and just because it might have been obliquely referred to, doesn't mean that it wasn't an example of forced pvp -- how can it not be forced pvp if you couldn't even complete NPC missions without being subject to it? I mean, what were you supposed to do if you wanted to enjoy the game content -- wait until every player was asleep so that you could do the missions without anyone forcing pvp on you?

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pussycat wrote:
It doesn't change the main fact... and that is that you could spend 12-13 hours watching all of the Star Wars movies and not ONCE would you see a bounty hunter taking a Jedi mission... something that would be so irrelevant as to not even be depicted in the movies (which are, after all, telling a much larger story) obviously isn't a big part of the Star Wars story... it's as simple as that.

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For the most part you also don't see people going to the washroom.... does that mean they don't have to urinate?

No, it means that it wasn't part of the main story line and therefore was left out due to time constraints. It doesnt' mean BH Did, or Didn't hunt Jedi, it means it wasn't part of the story line. Then again, they never showed anybody being brainwashed by the empire, or their political propiganda that they were spewing, but we all know that those happened.

According to the movies, The empire was good along with the emperor, after all the senate and the courts approved his takeover. The Rebelion were terrorists trying to take down a leader which many loved. Yet the movies also show us that the rebellion was good, trying to restore peace and justice to the galaxy.

Just because the story doesn't mention it, doesnt mean it did or didn't happen, "simple as that".

Ok, i'm done, and adding Pussycat to my do not read/do not respond list. Master_Loy(Loh Key) is on there as well, i suggest others do the same, it's pointless trying to have a decent conversation when the other side won't even accept the valid arguments you make. We've pointed out valid points and she just tells us they don't count because PvP was forced.

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Cerosis wrote:

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pussycat wrote:
It doesn't change the main fact... and that is that you could spend 12-13 hours watching all of the Star Wars movies and not ONCE would you see a bounty hunter taking a Jedi mission... something that would be so irrelevant as to not even be depicted in the movies (which are, after all, telling a much larger story) obviously isn't a big part of the Star Wars story... it's as simple as that.

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For the most part you also don't see people going to the washroom.... does that mean they don't have to urinate?

No, it means that it wasn't part of the main story line and therefore was left out due to time constraints. It doesnt' mean BH Did, or Didn't hunt Jedi, it means it wasn't part of the story line. Then again, they never showed anybody being brainwashed by the empire, or their political propiganda that they were spewing, but we all know that those happened.

According to the movies, The empire was good along with the emperor, after all the senate and the courts approved his takeover. The Rebelion were terrorists trying to take down a leader which many loved. Yet the movies also show us that the rebellion was good, trying to restore peace and justice to the galaxy.

Just because the story doesn't mention it, doesnt mean it did or didn't happen, "simple as that".

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It doesn't matter if it happened or didn't happen... it was such a small and meaningless detail of the Star Wars saga that George Lucas didn't even feel the need to include it in the movies...

Message Edited by Genildor on 11-06-2005 01:01 PM

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ChefRubio wrote:

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Ebris wrote:

Ok Guys...I suggest we stop replying to this woman.

It is obvious we're wasting our time trying to talk some common sense into her.

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QFE she's dense as hell. This will be my last post.

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Genildor wrote:

...right, so as I was saying, no more Jedi Bounties, so please, jedi, i beg of you, there's no longer any reason to come on our boards and insult our ideas, hopes, and designs for our profession. There's also absolutely NO reason for these kinds of discussions to even take place any more.

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There is absolutely no insult in any way, shape, or form. On the contrary, now that being a BH will no longer be associated with Jedi-hunting, I am looking forward to having a BH toon again. It will not be my main toon, I still like Jedi as my main profession, but BH can be cool, too, if there's no pvp involved.

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pussycat wrote:

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Genildor wrote:

...right, so as I was saying, no more Jedi Bounties, so please, jedi, i beg of you, there's no longer any reason to come on our boards and insult our ideas, hopes, and designs for our profession. There's also absolutely NO reason for these kinds of discussions to even take place any more.

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There is absolutely no insult in any way, shape, or form. On the contrary, now that being a BH will no longer be associated with Jedi-hunting, I am looking forward to having a BH toon again. It will not be my main toon, I still like Jedi as my main profession, but BH can be cool, too, if there's no pvp involved.

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No more player bounties in a week. You guys have no reason to troll here any more. No more thread hijacking, no more flaming, no more shooting down every content idea we think of. It feels good. One more week, people... just one more...