Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Regarding House-Jedi (Updated 10/14)
K, first thing.. get over the fact, that you will never be able to force an attack on a player, inside of a private structure.. AFK or Not. You already laugh and joke about jedi, that go AFK in the MIDDLE OF NO WHERE, and you kill them and post a screenshot, thinking its down right hiliarious, then get pissed off when jedi go and sit in their house, that alot of you post "go sit in your house, you knew what you were getting into when you got visibilty!". Now.. away from that..
Lets take a look at the rules of visibilty, for those that don't know them.
Visibilty is gained by the following;
Npcs
Corpses
Vehicales
Droids
Pets
Non-grouped Players
within 32meters
using force near any of the above, or killing any of the above.
I myself, am a pre-cu Jedi, i did my entire grind WITHOUT gaining visibilty, and it was not a easy task (waaayy back in the day, before spin groups.., and when xp was uber slow, and there was gank squad bounty hunters). Few times that i did think i gained visibilty, (Random NPCs suddenly just appearing in the middle of a lair.., observers stopping to watch a jedi at under 32 meters), wait a few minutes to see if someone would come flying to my door and see if i had a battle on my hands. thankfully i didn't.
Now at full template, bored with most things in the game, and having been on the terminals since i finished my template, i've waited around ingame for days on and off for the last 3 weeks, without a single visit. of course i was in my house... no reason to leave it, bounty hunter sends me a tell, or notifys me that he's out there, i'll step out, and we'll throw down. i have nothing to gain from this, no money, no faction points. only crappy PvP Rating(that will never do dik), and the rights to say that i put your ass into the ground and sent you to the cloner. big deal.. if i wanted that, i'd go overt..
If you want a majority of the jedi out of their houses, give them a reason to fight, so far you're only giving crappy excuses, as to why a jedi should step out of his door, and fight you, even if he has to step afk to take care of stuff in the real world.
Now lets take a look at the things you can offer, before it was the promise of getting a few FRS points...if you killed a master bounty hunter..funny enough this was back when almost no one was a mastery bounty hunter anymore. Now the FRS is completely disabled.. we get nothing.
Here are the things, that would get me to step out of the house, if i actually decided to stay in(sometimes i like to haggle with a BH, and make them pay me, when i win.)
Full mission payout/bonus if the jedi wins
Random Jedi orientated Loot item, this could be a clothing attachment, or a crystal, or a holocron ..ect
Now that i think about it... outside of those 2 reasons, there aren't many reasons worth fighting for. This needs to be a equall exchange..
Jedi Loses upon death:
XP from 100-600k (depending on your template)
Hours of work.
Decaying in clothing/items
Bounty Hunter loses upon death:
Maybe item decay?
Jedi Gains;
Nothing.
Bounty hunter Gains;
100-350k of credits
and most seem to enjoy the satisfaction of putting someone back a few hours of xp grinding.., along with embarassing them and posting a screenshot and a lovely story of how you beat said jedi.
Most of you see a Jedi getting hunted, because of visibilty as a punishment, when infact with the game mechanics it is almost impossible not to generate visibilty anymore, unless you're reallllyyyyy careful. Anyway.. just because a Jedi gets visibilty, doesn't give you any right to attempt breaking into a house, or what not, its not like we can attack you on sight...and since Jedi sense through the force, your first strike ability would be nulled by that fact, and you should pop up as a red dot, that is completely attackable before you even shoot. if you want to toss it onto some fair ground.
If you can't wait for a mark to leave their house, and or drop the mission and go find one that is at the keyboard, i think you need to give up your profession. You are a bounty HUNTER. Notice..how hunter, is all nice and big, hunt the target, track the target, kill the target. Otherwise, you don't deserve your pay.
A-Slave wrote:
There is a VERY simple thing that would fix the house-jedi problem...
A) Boost the number of active bounties at one time to 3 for a master....
B) Give us a "Watcher Droid" that will alert us when our mark moves out of a certain radius ...no matter what planet we are on. (You would set this droid in a spot with the jedi mark within its "scan range" of 1000m...when the jedi leaves the range of the droid the alert would signal the bounty hunter that the mark has left)
This lets the bounty hunter continue to "hunt" his mark without standing there all day...the bounty hunter can go off and hunt another mark while still keeping an eye on the house sitting jedi (once it moves the hunter can start on his hunt again where he left off).
jlutz11 wrote:All of you BH that are crying about jedi in houses are missing the point.Until jedi have a reason to fight you, we will continue to avoid you. There is no point in me fighting you whatsoever (this point has been made countless times before). I gain nothing, but have a lot to lose. I don't see any of you crying about making it worth a jedi's time by giving yourself somthing to lose. If Jedi knew that there would be equal penalty to a BH for losing, I guarentee that we would be much more likely to come out and fight. As it stands now, most of us use our houses as a protest. We are not afraid of you. We are not afraid of losing xp, after all it can be made up. We are just sick and tired of being your game content when we dont want to be and when we have ABSOLUTLY no incentive to do so, and NOTHING to gain from it.Someone Please give me 1 good reason to fight a BH. There are none. When the game is changed and you actually have somthing to lose and there is actually risk involved then i will come out and fight, until then expect long waits while i am in my house AFK playing X-BOX..By the way....In the movies, when a bounty hunter attacked a jedi, he always had something to lose. He had to risk his life while trying to take out his mark. Where is the risk in what you do?I'm not coming out of my house, until i have a good reason to. And i don't really give a crap that it waste your time, droids, money, or makes you have a bad day.
Although I dont approve of the fashion in which Jedi pose ideas (although it's understandable in this particular situation... postin this thread of all places... sheesh),...
THIS is a very valid point...
What in fact... what DO the Jedi have to gain from killing us???
As Sun Tsu said in "The Art of War", It truly is SOMETHING to view the world from your enemy's eyes!!
I say we lose the something, ANYTHING, for losing to a Jedi.... perhaps the bounty we were to gain!!!
And if we don't have the suficient funds to cover the loss.... then ALL of our earnings (till we work off the debt) go to the Jedi for defeating us... after all... WE ARE IN IT FOR THE MONEY (aside from the pride... hehe...
i agree i think the whole thing just needs to hit the road. I mean honestly it brings out the worst in these two communities. I may even be bold enough to say that a majority of the nefs that have come about are a direct result of this one game mechanic.
magneto2 wrote:
or how about now, with the huge boom in BH population, we just take out the BH/jedi relationship all together?
im so tired of being cussed out by 14 year olds, cuz im doin stuff in my house or chattin with a friend
pre-CU jedi vs BH made sense, now it doesmt...just give us more content and let the griefing stop....pre-CU jedi where tougher, there was risk/reward to make it worth being a jedi
ive been playing this game for 2 and a half years, and im so close to hitting the cancel button
i have a BH alt, and i have a jedi...whoo hoo....so does everyone else in the entire galaxy
To remove the whole relatinshop would be ridiculous, thena Bounty Hunter would have no reason to really be around and the Jedi would just continue to run around and destroy the game.
Don't get me wrong I have nothing against Jedi, I believe they should be in the game but I dont think it should be easy for them. When everyone started getting a Jedi it destroyed a very important part of this game, PvP, now the only thin remotely close to it is a BH hunting a Jedi.
If you remove the relationship you would first have to remove Jedi from the game.
DanielDirem wrote:
To remove the whole relatinshop would be ridiculous, thena Bounty Hunter would have no reason to really be around and the Jedi would just continue to run around and destroy the game.
Whu not go preach this little lecture to the smuuglar community... you know, those who have nothing to smuggle and no way to smuggle it...