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Thread: Regarding House-Jedi (Updated 10/14)

DanielDirem
Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:09 pm
#92


Just to all the Jedi who post in this thread, if you dont have anything productive to say please dont post here. Its not a place to flame us BHs, this is the Bounty Hunter section of the Star Wars Galaxies Community Forums, a place where we come to talk the problems we have out with our Correspondent and fix things with our profession. Here in our forum section, we come together as a community to discuss strategies, equipment, and share stories; and through these discussions we come together to make OUR profession better.


Your entitled to your opinion and your entitled to voice it but be productive, if you want to complain about BHs go to your Jedi Forum and do it.


With that said, the best idea voiced in this wholethread is ths system message system. Just allow my droid to tell me where the target is and whether he/she is active or inactive. Something like stated above where if they are in a private structure is says that but making the distinction between active and inactive (having a timer so a Jedi who goes into a private structure just getting something isnt counted the same way a Jedi going into a house and going afk is).


Jedi shouldnt have the option of staying in a house taken away from them insteada Bounty Hunter should have the option of pursuing a target which is in a private structure.


I also very much like the idea of allowing Master Bounty Hunters to take on more then one mission at a time, boosting it to threemission but not allow for the MBH to get multiple mission on the same target.


The "watcher" droid is an interesting idea but possibly making the radius slightly smaller maybe about 500m.



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Ameno
Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:10 pm
#93

K, first thing.. get over the fact, that you will never be able to force an attack on a player, inside of a private structure.. AFK or Not. You already laugh and joke about jedi, that go AFK in the MIDDLE OF NO WHERE, and you kill them and post a screenshot, thinking its down right hiliarious, then get pissed off when jedi go and sit in their house, that alot of you post "go sit in your house, you knew what you were getting into when you got visibilty!". Now.. away from that..


Lets take a look at the rules of visibilty, for those that don't know them.


Visibilty is gained by the following;


Npcs


Corpses


Vehicales


Droids


Pets


Non-grouped Players


within 32meters


using force near any of the above, or killing any of the above.



I myself, am a pre-cu Jedi, i did my entire grind WITHOUT gaining visibilty, and it was not a easy task (waaayy back in the day, before spin groups.., and when xp was uber slow, and there was gank squad bounty hunters). Few times that i did think i gained visibilty, (Random NPCs suddenly just appearing in the middle of a lair.., observers stopping to watch a jedi at under 32 meters), wait a few minutes to see if someone would come flying to my door and see if i had a battle on my hands. thankfully i didn't.


Now at full template, bored with most things in the game, and having been on the terminals since i finished my template, i've waited around ingame for days on and off for the last 3 weeks, without a single visit. of course i was in my house... no reason to leave it, bounty hunter sends me a tell, or notifys me that he's out there, i'll step out, and we'll throw down. i have nothing to gain from this, no money, no faction points. only crappy PvP Rating(that will never do dik), and the rights to say that i put your ass into the ground and sent you to the cloner. big deal.. if i wanted that, i'd go overt..


If you want a majority of the jedi out of their houses, give them a reason to fight, so far you're only giving crappy excuses, as to why a jedi should step out of his door, and fight you, even if he has to step afk to take care of stuff in the real world.


Now lets take a look at the things you can offer, before it was the promise of getting a few FRS points...if you killed a master bounty hunter..funny enough this was back when almost no one was a mastery bounty hunter anymore. Now the FRS is completely disabled.. we get nothing.


Here are the things, that would get me to step out of the house, if i actually decided to stay in(sometimes i like to haggle with a BH, and make them pay me, when i win.)


Full mission payout/bonus if the jedi wins


Random Jedi orientated Loot item, this could be a clothing attachment, or a crystal, or a holocron ..ect


Now that i think about it... outside of those 2 reasons, there aren't many reasons worth fighting for. This needs to be a equall exchange..


Jedi Loses upon death:


XP from 100-600k (depending on your template)


Hours of work.


Decaying in clothing/items



Bounty Hunter loses upon death:


Maybe item decay?



Jedi Gains;


Nothing.


Bounty hunter Gains;


100-350k of credits


and most seem to enjoy the satisfaction of putting someone back a few hours of xp grinding.., along with embarassing them and posting a screenshot and a lovely story of how you beat said jedi.



Most of you see a Jedi getting hunted, because of visibilty as a punishment, when infact with the game mechanics it is almost impossible not to generate visibilty anymore, unless you're reallllyyyyy careful. Anyway.. just because a Jedi gets visibilty, doesn't give you any right to attempt breaking into a house, or what not, its not like we can attack you on sight...and since Jedi sense through the force, your first strike ability would be nulled by that fact, and you should pop up as a red dot, that is completely attackable before you even shoot. if you want to toss it onto some fair ground.


If you can't wait for a mark to leave their house, and or drop the mission and go find one that is at the keyboard, i think you need to give up your profession. You are a bounty HUNTER. Notice..how hunter, is all nice and big, hunt the target, track the target, kill the target. Otherwise, you don't deserve your pay.







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Sundal
Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:11 pm
#94






A-Slave wrote:

There is a VERY simple thing that would fix the house-jedi problem...


A) Boost the number of active bounties at one time to 3 for a master....


B) Give us a "Watcher Droid" that will alert us when our mark moves out of a certain radius ...no matter what planet we are on. (You would set this droid in a spot with the jedi mark within its "scan range" of 1000m...when the jedi leaves the range of the droid the alert would signal the bounty hunter that the mark has left)


This lets the bounty hunter continue to "hunt" his mark without standing there all day...the bounty hunter can go off and hunt another mark while still keeping an eye on the house sitting jedi (once it moves the hunter can start on his hunt again where he left off).






That wont work, if anything it's just going to increase the number of gank squads. Since you get 3 chances of grabbing the same mark.


The main problem with house sitters are not legit players who are crafting, or who log in to talk to their friends. The problem is with players who actively log their character in to grief BH'ers, and then leave to go to bed or do whatever.
Ameno
Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:12 pm
#95

Simple fixes a few people have already posted...easist done is, just making the seeker droid tell you if the jedi is in a structure, so you can choose to persue them or not.



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PedricCuff
Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:20 pm
#96

It would be fair for the Jedi to have no vis for a period of time after beating a BH. To me that makes sense. But not money or anythnig else.



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Alixir
Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:22 pm
#97


simple...when my house is private...nobody should be allowed to enter...you house is basically the only place a jedi can log outor go afk. Taking away that right is retarded.


When I find my mark in a house..I wait and see if he/she moves ...after 10 min of them not moving I drop the mission and get another one.


And for our BH correspondent to even suggest something that takes away a players right...is down right disgraceful.



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Werewolfzz
Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:22 pm
#98



jlutz11 wrote:
All of you BH that are crying about jedi in houses are missing the point.
Until jedi have a reason to fight you, we will continue to avoid you. There is no point in me fighting you whatsoever (this point has been made countless times before). I gain nothing, but have a lot to lose. I don't see any of you crying about making it worth a jedi's time by giving yourself somthing to lose. If Jedi knew that there would be equal penalty to a BH for losing, I guarentee that we would be much more likely to come out and fight. As it stands now, most of us use our houses as a protest. We are not afraid of you. We are not afraid of losing xp, after all it can be made up. We are just sick and tired of being your game content when we dont want to be and when we have ABSOLUTLY no incentive to do so, and NOTHING to gain from it.
Someone Please give me 1 good reason to fight a BH. There are none. When the game is changed and you actually have somthing to lose and there is actually risk involved then i will come out and fight, until then expect long waits while i am in my house AFK playing X-BOX..
By the way....In the movies, when a bounty hunter attacked a jedi, he always had something to lose. He had to risk his life while trying to take out his mark. Where is the risk in what you do?
I'm not coming out of my house, until i have a good reason to. And i don't really give a crap that it waste your time, droids, money, or makes you have a bad day.






Although I dont approve of the fashion in which Jedi pose ideas (although it's understandable in this particular situation... postin this thread of all places... sheesh),...

THIS is a very valid point...

What in fact... what DO the Jedi have to gain from killing us???

As Sun Tsu said in "The Art of War", It truly is SOMETHING to view the world from your enemy's eyes!!

I say we lose the something, ANYTHING, for losing to a Jedi.... perhaps the bounty we were to gain!!!

And if we don't have the suficient funds to cover the loss.... then ALL of our earnings (till we work off the debt) go to the Jedi for defeating us... after all... WE ARE IN IT FOR THE MONEY (aside from the pride... hehe... )



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abbink
Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:30 pm
#99






magneto2 wrote:

or how about now, with the huge boom in BH population, we just take out the BH/jedi relationship all together?


im so tired of being cussed out by 14 year olds, cuz im doin stuff in my house or chattin with a friend


pre-CU jedi vs BH made sense, now it doesmt...just give us more content and let the griefing stop....pre-CU jedi where tougher, there was risk/reward to make it worth being a jedi


ive been playing this game for 2 and a half years, and im so close to hitting the cancel button


i have a BH alt, and i have a jedi...whoo hoo....so does everyone else in the entire galaxy






i agree i think the whole thing just needs to hit the road. I mean honestly it brings out the worst in these two communities. I may even be bold enough to say that a majority of the nefs that have come about are a direct result of this one game mechanic.






Too often players and the devs have a mindset that professions should be balanced with 1 on 1 pvp in mind. This mindset is ruining the game. The benchmark for balance should be determined by the role a profession plays in a group setting. As long as the current mindset continues we will never see uniqueness among the professions, nor will we ever see individuality within a given profession. We will never see the SWG universe expanded as the focus will only ever be balance pass after balance pass after balance pass.


Message Edited by abbink on 07-26-200609:32 AM


PedricCuff
Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:35 pm
#100

Attacking the problem at its source is what will fix this. In short, give the Jedi reason to fight. I think removing their vis for a few days if a perfect and fair solution. As for money, I don;t think so. But I now agree that a house is your private structure, and it shouldn't be violated. I take that back.



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DanielDirem
Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:37 pm
#101

To remove the whole relatinshop would be ridiculous, thena Bounty Hunter would have no reason to really be around and the Jedi would just continue to run around and destroy the game.


Don't get me wrong I have nothing against Jedi, I believe they should be in the game but I dont think it should be easy for them. When everyone started getting a Jedi it destroyed a very important part of this game, PvP, now the only thin remotely close to it is a BH hunting a Jedi.


If you remove the relationship you would first have to remove Jedi from the game.




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Darth_Spike
Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:40 pm
#102


Ok how about an ImperialBeaconthat is purchased with a lot of Investigation XP...as in INV XP to the cap after MBH is paid for. This requires a LOT of Bounties to be completed, and the items will be fairly rare, and non-transferable. Maybe that us too extreme, but I would hate to see this idea abused by making it too prevalent and easily avaialble


The Beacon mine gets the Bio-Sig of the mark loaded into it, but it isnt used to to blow anything up. The Bio-sig detects the presence of the Jedi Mark, and signals Imperial Command, verifiying the presence of a Jedi. The Mine anounces over a loud-speaker that in T-minue 5 minutes and counting, A squad of Elite and Boss Nova Troopersare going to raid the structure. When the timer is up, the Nova Troppers will attack the door, damageing the structure, and eventually enter the Building. They will begin attacking ANYONE and EVERYONE in the structure, and will cause damage to random items inside the structure - think of the phrase "Bull in a China Shop". The Nova Troopers WILL KILL/DB every sentient inside the structure, and those inside cannot arm their weapons since they are inside - they would need to leave to stop the madness. Once everyone is out of the house the Nove Troopers settle down, but they do not come back outside (they are secureing the establishment)


From the time the Beacon Mine starts anouncing the Countdown to the time the Nova Troopers show up - if the Jedi comes out and fights, nothing special happens, the fight plays out like it is supposed to.The Beacon automatically cancels the signal, and is picked up into inventory.


If the Nova Troopers show up and the BH and Jedi have not started fighting, a painful penalty occurs. Not only is the Imerial Beacon offically spent, but the Bounty Payment is reduced by 50% the minute the Nova Troopers show up. If the Nova Troopers are the ones that kill the Jedi, the BH only receives 25% of the prize. This takes away the common Jedi argument that "BH have nothing to lose".


The Jedi do not get a free ride on this. The INSTANT the Nova Troopers show up, the potential Jedi XP loss DOUBLES (2x). If the Jedi is killed by one of the Nova Troopers, the XP Loss is QUADRUPLED (4x).


The end result is that using the Imperial Beacon gives the Jedi a 5 minute warning to either come out and fight or pay a price. It can easily be avoided by showing some courage and valor. It costs the BH a very high price, and same goes for the Jedi, and whoever was the owner of the structure. Since the IB would be VERY RARE, it won't be used too often.

PotshotMcGee
Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:46 pm
#103

no, just no spike, please refrain from ever giving ideas again. how many times do i have to **edit**in type this jedi do NOT have to fight you ever. they CHOOSE to fight you. you dont choose to fight them
Dlek_Krego
Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:49 pm
#104







DanielDirem wrote:

To remove the whole relatinshop would be ridiculous, thena Bounty Hunter would have no reason to really be around and the Jedi would just continue to run around and destroy the game.





Whu not go preach this little lecture to the smuuglar community... you know, those who have nothing to smuggle and no way to smuggle it...


Go preach it to the entertainers who had their purposes stripped, and now serve very little role to anything except a minmal xp bonus....



Even without player bounties,with all the high end NPC missions which drop some of the highest loot in the game which have turned you into cash cows, you would still have an infinate amount more content than many other Professions.


The BH profession's sole purpose is NOT to hunt other players. It was a privaledge given a long time ago when SoE still wanted Jedi to be superior and rare. But SoE's views on the Jedi has changed drastically since then, and this player bounty system (one that has been the feeding fire to some of the most astounding amount of hatred between strangers I have ever known) is truly outdated and needs to go.





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