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Mystix17 wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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JenniferAmidala wrote:

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Dlek_Krego wrote:

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Mystix17 wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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Grimjakk wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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Cerosis wrote:

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Grimjakk wrote:

Nevertheless... Jedi were PvP characters. There's only one person rationalizing anything here. If you didn't want to PvP, there were still many professions that your Force Sensitive skills could have benefitted you in.

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As I said, there were many opt out options for Jedi themselves so that they didn't have to PvP: 1. Drop Jedi skills. Pick up CM 4/0/0/0, Master Fencer, Master swordsman and you have the same look, just your sword doesn't glow. 2. Delete your character. There you go, no more PvP to have to worry about. 3. Keep your jedi offline except for RPG experiences. Don't hunt with him/her, don't kill things. 4. DON'T GET ON THE TERMINALS. I can't emphisize this enough. If you don't get on the terminals you WILL NOT GET HUNTED. PERIOD.

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\ You are a little bit behind the times... come Nov. 15th, we can enjoy the game any way we want AND WE WILL NOT GET HUNTED! PERIOD!

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Notice the tense I wrote in, please. And yes... I imagine you'll be able to "enjoy" the game just fine... as long as you don't mind not being able to solo even con creatures with your newly spayed and neutered Jedi.

But this is my last post here. 4 accounts canceled.

Good night, Gracie.

Message Edited by Grimjakk on 11-10-200510:17 PM

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Yes, I will enjoy the game just fine, I never cared to be "uber" and I will definitely appreciate the peace and tranquility of being able to play without the trigger-happy yahoos wanting to engage in forced pvp all the time.

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You say that word like it's imprinted on your soul, always there, a chip on your shoulder.

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is it as much of a chip as "jedi is a PVP profession." is?

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I'd have to say that if your insurance company did that to you, you didn't choose a very good one. Much like a person that detests being hunted breaks the rules of visibility and gets hunted made a poor choice. Nobody forces you to choose which insurance company you use, just like nobody forces you to pick a "profession" in a video game. But when you do choose, you have to bear the responsibility that comes with having made your choices. Sometimes you get blindsided, like an insurance company deciding that they're not going to cover a claim. But I do not believe that there are any Jedi that did not know that if they were on the terminals they could be hunted. Did you use your saber in front of another player character or an NPC, for instance? If you don't like having to deal with a BH after you, you chose poorly.

That's not to say that you had to enjoy being hunted. But this spin that anyone was forced into it is ridiculous.

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It is not a spin, it's the situation as we honestly chose it... many players had to play with profession that were broken or poorly implemented... and to us, Jedi was one of them, not all of us agree about the way it was implemented or whether it was necessary in the first place -- but one thing is for sure, once players started unlocking, there was no way back. So we made the best of an imperfect situation, yes we knew that we could be hunted and that other players would try to engage in forced pvp... most of us avoided visibility before we were full template rather successfully. And when BH's finally came, we had several options to thwart the attacks even before they started. It still doesn't change the fact that it was the BH's who were trying to engage in a forced pvp situation... as I said before, in TC the game mechanism was the same but there was no forced pvp, and part of that had to do with the maturity of the player base on TC.

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Maturity of the players? Why shouldn't a BH be able to do what he/she is entitled to do in the game? Who the hell are you to say they can't do what the game has set up for them to be able to do?

I think you're jedi has been sent HERE a few too many times and now you're bitter.

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As I said before, just because the game mechanic made it possible to force pvp on those who didn't want to pvp, doesn't mean that it was the right thing to do.

There is no bitterness on my part, on the contrary, I am genuinely happy that player bounties have been eliminated

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Mystix17 wrote:

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Fugitron wrote:

Just want to throw this out there.

I hear the "you knew what jedi was when you chose to be one" and "Don't get on the terms if you don't want to be hunted."

Both of these comments are in and of itself ridiculous. Take the first one for example. When I chose to be a jedi they could wear comp armor and take out groups of players with ease. By the time I got jedi, it was drastically different and by the time I became ful template it changed again. So there goes that arguement. With each change the power was decreased, and with that - the expecation of what a jedi was, changed. Also, in almost all cases there was too much time and effort spent to just "turn back."

As for the second and by far the most un-educated post. All the content in the game revolves around NPCs which give vis. When you say don't get on the terminals you are basically telling them to sit in their house and not do anything..... and we all know how much BHs love having jedi just sit in their houses right? You would be asking someone to just not play the game.

So for one of the last times, please really think about what you say before posting. There is alot more than being so cut and dry about these kind of issues.

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I'm sorry, but these people your comp armor wearing Jedi could "take out with ease" must be fresh from Eisley.

Jedi straight up sucked the big one pre7. It grew in VAST power after that publish.

To your second point, maybe you should have thought about that when you created your toon? I mean dear god, NOBODY is forcing you to do that!

So please, really think about what you're saying next time. The whole point was, you can grind your Jedi and play it, if you do, you will be hunted. You can grind your Jedi and never draw your saber, you won't be hunted. There you go, that's how it is, that's the system. Don't like it? Well, CMN and do something else.

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pussycat wrote:

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fyreblayd28 wrote:
I am enjoying the auto insurance line. It is amusing as they are right it has no bearing. If I had an insurance company like that I would not use them. I am also sure they would not last long. Also if all ins worked like that there would not need to be a law to have to have the ins (sorta like game mechanics don't ya think) and I would not have to buy the ins. (like not becoming a jedi and being hunted) So in essence it still comes down to choice. You took jedi you get what comes with it. You buy that ins and you get what comes with it. So now your point really is not good.

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But what if *all* auto insurance companies told you the exact same thing?

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pussycat wrote:

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Mystix17 wrote:

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Fugitron wrote:

Just want to throw this out there.

I hear the "you knew what jedi was when you chose to be one" and "Don't get on the terms if you don't want to be hunted."

Both of these comments are in and of itself ridiculous. Take the first one for example. When I chose to be a jedi they could wear comp armor and take out groups of players with ease. By the time I got jedi, it was drastically different and by the time I became ful template it changed again. So there goes that arguement. With each change the power was decreased, and with that - the expecation of what a jedi was, changed. Also, in almost all cases there was too much time and effort spent to just "turn back."

As for the second and by far the most un-educated post. All the content in the game revolves around NPCs which give vis. When you say don't get on the terminals you are basically telling them to sit in their house and not do anything..... and we all know how much BHs love having jedi just sit in their houses right? You would be asking someone to just not play the game.

So for one of the last times, please really think about what you say before posting. There is alot more than being so cut and dry about these kind of issues.

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I'm sorry, but these people your comp armor wearing Jedi could "take out with ease" must be fresh from Eisley.

Jedi straight up sucked the big one pre7. It grew in VAST power after that publish.

To your second point, maybe you should have thought about that when you created your toon? I mean dear god, NOBODY is forcing you to do that!

So please, really think about what you're saying next time. The whole point was, you can grind your Jedi and play it, if you do, you will be hunted. You can grind your Jedi and never draw your saber, you won't be hunted. There you go, that's how it is, that's the system. Don't like it? Well, CMN and do something else.

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That premise would apply to the old system, where there were player bounties and forced pvp. It doesn't apply to the new system that we will have going forward, so there really is no need for you to keep repeating yourself... it's a moot point.

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pussycat wrote:

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Mystix17 wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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JenniferAmidala wrote:

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Dlek_Krego wrote:

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Mystix17 wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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Grimjakk wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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Cerosis wrote:

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Grimjakk wrote:

Nevertheless... Jedi were PvP characters. There's only one person rationalizing anything here. If you didn't want to PvP, there were still many professions that your Force Sensitive skills could have benefitted you in.

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As I said, there were many opt out options for Jedi themselves so that they didn't have to PvP: 1. Drop Jedi skills. Pick up CM 4/0/0/0, Master Fencer, Master swordsman and you have the same look, just your sword doesn't glow. 2. Delete your character. There you go, no more PvP to have to worry about. 3. Keep your jedi offline except for RPG experiences. Don't hunt with him/her, don't kill things. 4. DON'T GET ON THE TERMINALS. I can't emphisize this enough. If you don't get on the terminals you WILL NOT GET HUNTED. PERIOD.

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\ You are a little bit behind the times... come Nov. 15th, we can enjoy the game any way we want AND WE WILL NOT GET HUNTED! PERIOD!

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Notice the tense I wrote in, please. And yes... I imagine you'll be able to "enjoy" the game just fine... as long as you don't mind not being able to solo even con creatures with your newly spayed and neutered Jedi.

But this is my last post here. 4 accounts canceled.

Good night, Gracie.

Message Edited by Grimjakk on 11-10-200510:17 PM

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Yes, I will enjoy the game just fine, I never cared to be "uber" and I will definitely appreciate the peace and tranquility of being able to play without the trigger-happy yahoos wanting to engage in forced pvp all the time.

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You say that word like it's imprinted on your soul, always there, a chip on your shoulder.

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is it as much of a chip as "jedi is a PVP profession." is?

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I'd have to say that if your insurance company did that to you, you didn't choose a very good one. Much like a person that detests being hunted breaks the rules of visibility and gets hunted made a poor choice. Nobody forces you to choose which insurance company you use, just like nobody forces you to pick a "profession" in a video game. But when you do choose, you have to bear the responsibility that comes with having made your choices. Sometimes you get blindsided, like an insurance company deciding that they're not going to cover a claim. But I do not believe that there are any Jedi that did not know that if they were on the terminals they could be hunted. Did you use your saber in front of another player character or an NPC, for instance? If you don't like having to deal with a BH after you, you chose poorly.

That's not to say that you had to enjoy being hunted. But this spin that anyone was forced into it is ridiculous.

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It is not a spin, it's the situation as we honestly chose it... many players had to play with profession that were broken or poorly implemented... and to us, Jedi was one of them, not all of us agree about the way it was implemented or whether it was necessary in the first place -- but one thing is for sure, once players started unlocking, there was no way back. So we made the best of an imperfect situation, yes we knew that we could be hunted and that other players would try to engage in forced pvp... most of us avoided visibility before we were full template rather successfully. And when BH's finally came, we had several options to thwart the attacks even before they started. It still doesn't change the fact that it was the BH's who were trying to engage in a forced pvp situation... as I said before, in TC the game mechanism was the same but there was no forced pvp, and part of that had to do with the maturity of the player base on TC.

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Maturity of the players? Why shouldn't a BH be able to do what he/she is entitled to do in the game? Who the hell are you to say they can't do what the game has set up for them to be able to do?

I think you're jedi has been sent HERE a few too many times and now you're bitter.

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As I said before, just because the game mechanic made it possible to force pvp on those who didn't want to pvp, doesn't mean that it was the right thing to do.

There is no bitterness on my part, on the contrary, I am genuinely happy that player bounties have been eliminated

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Playing a Jedi because you wanted one, but weren't able to handle the downside wasn't the right thing to do either!

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Mystix17 wrote:

Ok, so now you're lumping BH into one large category that we can all fit into nice and cozy like? lawl

Sure, you can clear this up. Why was it wrong for a BH to do what the game allowed them to do? Just because you didn't like it and cried about it?

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Mystix17 wrote:
Yes, I was? You just said you weren't talking about me as an individual but as the sum of all BH's....do you know what you want to say or are things just spitting out of your mouth?

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pussycat wrote:

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Mystix17 wrote:
Yes, I was? You just said you weren't talking about me as an individual but as the sum of all BH's....do you know what you want to say or are things just spitting out of your mouth?

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I mean you as in "you, the bounty hunters who liked to engage in forced pvp". If your reading comprehension makes it difficult for you to understand simple phrases such as this, please make sure and let me know, I will try to explain it to you in a way that is easier for you to understand.

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JenniferAmidala wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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JenniferAmidala wrote:

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Dlek_Krego wrote:

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Mystix17 wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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Grimjakk wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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Cerosis wrote:

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Grimjakk wrote:

Nevertheless... Jedi were PvP characters. There's only one person rationalizing anything here. If you didn't want to PvP, there were still many professions that your Force Sensitive skills could have benefitted you in.

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As I said, there were many opt out options for Jedi themselves so that they didn't have to PvP:
1. Drop Jedi skills. Pick up CM 4/0/0/0, Master Fencer, Master swordsman and you have the same look, just your sword doesn't glow.

2. Delete your character. There you go, no more PvP to have to worry about.

3. Keep your jedi offline except for RPG experiences. Don't hunt with him/her, don't kill things.

4. DON'T GET ON THE TERMINALS. I can't emphisize this enough. If you don't get on the terminals you WILL NOT GET HUNTED. PERIOD.

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You are a little bit behind the times... come Nov. 15th, we can enjoy the game any way we want AND WE WILL NOT GET HUNTED! PERIOD!

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Notice the tense I wrote in, please. And yes... I imagine you'll be able to "enjoy" the game just fine... as long as you don't mind not being able to solo even con creatures with your newly spayed and neutered Jedi.

But this is my last post here. 4 accounts canceled.

Good night, Gracie.

Message Edited by Grimjakk on 11-10-2005 10:17 PM

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Yes, I will enjoy the game just fine, I never cared to be "uber" and I will definitely appreciate the peace and tranquility of being able to play without the trigger-happy yahoos wanting to engage in forced pvp all the time.

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You say that word like it's imprinted on your soul, always there, a chip on your shoulder.

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is it as much of a chip as "jedi is a PVP profession." is?

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I'd have to say that if your insurance company did that to you, you didn't choose a very good one. Much like a person that detests being hunted breaks the rules of visibility and gets hunted made a poor choice. Nobody forces you to choose which insurance company you use, just like nobody forces you to pick a "profession" in a video game. But when you do choose, you have to bear the responsibility that comes with having made your choices. Sometimes you get blindsided, like an insurance company deciding that they're not going to cover a claim. But I do not believe that there are any Jedi that did not know that if they were on the terminals they could be hunted. Did you use your saber in front of another player character or an NPC, for instance? If you don't like having to deal with a BH after you, you chose poorly.

That's not to say that you had to enjoy being hunted. But this spin that anyone was forced into it is ridiculous.

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It is not a spin, it's the situation as we honestly chose it... many players had to play with profession that were broken or poorly implemented... and to us, Jedi was one of them, not all of us agree about the way it was implemented or whether it was necessary in the first place -- but one thing is for sure, once players started unlocking, there was no way back. So we made the best of an imperfect situation, yes we knew that we could be hunted and that other players would try to engage in forced pvp... most of us avoided visibility before we were full template rather successfully. And when BH's finally came, we had several options to thwart the attacks even before they started. It still doesn't change the fact that it was the BH's who were trying to engage in a forced pvp situation... as I said before, in TC the game mechanism was the same but there was no forced pvp, and part of that had to do with the maturity of the player base on TC.

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The fact of the matter is that you made your choices back then, and for the way you like to play, you chose poorly. Now you want to avoid taking responsiblity for your actions and you're mistakenly placing the blame on the BH's for playing the same game you were. The dev's put the player bounties in the game, the dev's are the ones that created the broken professions, and the dev's are the ones unleashing this abomination (the NGE) on us.

I think that the player bounties are a mistake too. I've believed that for some time now. They distracted the players from the GCW, they distracted the dev's from fixing things that needed to be fixed for a long time, and they drove a huge wedge into the heart of the player base of this game. They did not thin out the Jedi population, they didn't really slow down Jedi advancement. All they served was to create a huge cancer in the body of this game that we'll probably still feel for awhile yet. Playing my LESS THAN EQUAL Jedi when the NGE is published will be a reminder of the Jedi-BH wars of '04 and '05 for quite some time probably.

Like I said about 2 pages ago, Pussycat, if you want to dole out servings of "blame" for all of this, you can serve yourself up a portion too. The Dev's made the game the way it is/was. The BH's chose to take your mission. YOU chose to put yourself on the terminal. (Whether you agreed with the fact that you should get visibility is a moot point as you've already said you made the choice knowingly). All 3 of those things together created the critical mass of you being hunted and "forced" to pvp.

Has it occured to you that insisting that you should not be held accountable for your in-game actions is also a sign of immaturity? That's what you're doing. You're insisting that you should've been able to RP a Jedi (Tho you avoided my question as to how you got vis. rp'ing a Jedi in the time of the Empire) without being hunted for it, simply because you did not want to be hunted. You're saying, in effect, "I should be able to do as I please and not have to deal with it unless I feel like it". Right or wrong, the Jedi missions were what they were, you knew the "rules", you broke them, and you think that you shouldn't have been hunted unless you were in the mood. Or so it seems by your statements.

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pussycat wrote:

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Mystix17 wrote:

Ok, so now you're lumping BH into one large category that we can all fit into nice and cozy like? lawl

Sure, you can clear this up. Why was it wrong for a BH to do what the game allowed them to do? Just because you didn't like it and cried about it?

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This discussion is about the situation that forced pvp created in the game. Forced pvp took place because of the BH's who used the game mechanic to impose pvp on those who didn't want it. You can justify it by saying that the game mechanic allowed it, but now that the game mechanic has been eliminated, that argument is no longer valid. You (meaning the BH's who took Jedi missions and forced others to pvp) used the game mechanic in a way that created animosity and hatred... you (meaning the BH's who took Jedi missions and forced others to pvp) will no longer have player bounties with which to force others to pvp. I really don't think it can be any more clearer than that.

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And its about the Jedi that flaunted the rules of visibility even though they knew full well the consequences, and still refuse to acknowledge that they empowered the BH's by doing so. Its amazing, Pussycat, you have NO role inthe fact thatyou were hunted at all did you? You're the perfect example of the Jedi that loves to showoff their Jedi skills in the starports, under the guise of "roleplaying"and can't handle the consequences of having done it.

Anyone roleplaying a Jedi during the time of the Empire would not be using the force in a conspicous, public manner. You obviously did or you'd not have been on the terminals. Therefore your prior statement that you're merely an RP'er that has no interest in Jedi aside from its RP value is patently false. Since you've made one false statement, it now forces me to question how many others you've told. If your self appointed martyrdom is any indicator of that, I'd have to wager that its several.

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pussycat wrote:

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ShadoRunner wrote:

ok first off I've been a bh, but now I'm a jedi. You are all whining about jedi missions being taken out, when if you look at the movies, bounty hunters never went after jedis. Bounty Hunters went after smugglers (ie. Boba Fett tracking down Han Solo) Yes a Jedi did kill a bh in the movies (ie. Mace kills Jango) but no other times were jedis hunter by bhs. Most of the jedis if they weren't shot in the back when the emperor executed order 66 went into hiding. They did nothing to the bhs to get tracked down and killed. So if you want player missions put back in I think the bhs should be able to go after smugglers for having contraband (ie slicing tools, sliced weapons, sliced armor, spices). The way they'd get on the terms is through imperial scans. No matter what faction they are. If they are imperial they should still be subjected to the scans. Oh and one more thing, I figure if you want to be a bh you should be neutral and unguilded, so that way you would be able to hunt both sides without people getting upset about an imperial bh going after an imperial smuggler or a rebel bh going after a rebel smuggler.

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You know I think......no I know we BH's suggested this smuggler thing before. You know what? The devs said no when it was brought to them multiple times. One time at one of the SWG conventions and they said they were working on it and it never happened. So we did not ask for it to be jedi. We were told it was jedi.

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fyreblayd28 wrote:

OK Side note here been away from the forums for a long time what the heck is QFE?

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