Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: ENOUGH!
Wepps
Mon Dec 22, 2003 4:18 pm
#92
Skorn2 wrote:
A Reading from the Book of Skorn
[/congregation] Skorn be praised!
Chapter 6, verse 66 through 68 says:
And a voice, cried out!
O joyous voice!
One of reason, and accountability!
And the voice said:
Action! Attention! Hot fixes!
Give faith unto those who have none!
The meek inherit nothing!
Those who see the future know!
The end if neigh!
The great EXODUS to greener pastures
The time has come to pass!
And a pair of leaders shall be sent!
Wepps and Tanks shall see the glorious vision!
They will understand what developers and coders
Could only dream, and not comprehend!
They shall see the GREAT CARE BEAR
In all of his terribleness!
And many will tremble as the nerf bat of doom
Comes across their back!
Beaten. Shamed. Bloodied.
But not beaten....never beaten...
This ends the reading from the Book of Skorn
...and the Developer said, that Wepps was a rotten basturd. And that he would personally do everything in his power to stop the ONE.
And the GREAT CARE BEAR said No! You will not ignore Bounty Hunters! You will fixeth them. So, the Developer waited until the back was turneth away, and proceedeth to layeth down the smaketh.
Imperio59
Fri Apr 23, 2004 10:31 am
#93
Yes, I don't usually post threads like these, i usually stick to constructive posts, but this is going too far.
I have been hearing for a few days about this jedi exploit, where they can somehow evade their TEFs by logging off and back on.
On top of this, somebody is saying they got a CSR warning because they killed a jedi twice? (i don't know all the details but that's what it sounded like...)
Now our class was already udnerpowered (and has been for many publishes now), But this is just going too far.
I think I speak for all BHs here by saying we have had enough! Tired of being on the bottom of the list of proffessions to see fixes. Tired of seeing Jedis get their way every time, First permadeath, then Saber Decay, Tired of not being even acknowledged.
Publish 9 and 10 are Meant to be the Jedi Revamp, but how can you Revamp the Jedi Class without Revamping it's nemesis? Everyone knows that somehow, in Publish 9, alot more people will try to get jedi. On top of that, we will onyl be able to battle KNIGHTS OR ABOVE!
This is unnacceptable as it is. We already stand little chance against initiates if we are not buffed, in full composite and with 5 different types of boosting foods (And don't any Jedi troll say otherwise, you KNOW there are ways to win even at a low-ish initiate level...).
The whole BH community is tired, angry and quite frankly annoyed at the way things have been going for the past few weeks. I know because of the tone of this post i probably won't get a dev responce, not even an akcnoledgement, But what would it matter? The combat balance is still at least 2 publishes away, and the Jedi publish is just around the corner now.
The BH are THE ONLY THING preventing jedis from reaching high levels , we are not an EFFECTIVE MEANS of controlling the Jedi population as it stands NOW! There is no permadeath, skill loss is a joke frankly and we see more and more jedis on each server! This is breaking continuity, immersion, and everything else we all know about.
I know tanks has been hard at work trying to get our issues heard and answered, but i think it is time we all help him.The list of things that need to be fixed have been listed before, eveywhere on this forums you see posts about what we need to change in our profession for us to become a viable means of controlling the jedi population.
What i think we should demand now, is that there be a BH REVAMP along WITH the jedi revamp! If the devs do not revamp our profession seriously, By the time the SE hits 20% to 30% of the live population will have a Jedi at knight level . The devs need to adress our issues, they need to revamp the Bh profession, they need to CARE!
That's why i propose that our question for the next week's editionof "19 questions" be about the upcoming Jedi publish. Something along the lines of:
"So much is being done for the jedi profession in terms of adding content and enhancing gameplay, but the BH profession is now seriously lacking. The Bounty Hunters feel nerfed because every other class has been given boosts or some kind of help, and we have not. Will the upcoming Jedi publishes (9 & 10) adress the BHs issues ontop of revamping the Jedi class and the FSCS system?"
'nuff said.
Message Edited by Imperio59 on 04-23-2004 01:34 PM
Erroneous_Designs
Fri Apr 23, 2004 10:33 am
#94
Hooah. I agree. Will it change anything? Probably not. Fortunately (or not?) there is still a tiny portion of my jaded, downtrodden BH self that clings to hope.
Erelas
Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:17 am
#95
Publish 9 and 10 are Meant to be the Jedi Revamp, but how can you Revamp the Jedi Class without Revamping it's nemesis? Everyone knows that somehow, in Publish 9, alot more people will try to get jedi. On top of that, we will onyl be able to battle KNIGHTS OR ABOVE!
Ack, where did this infomation come from......?
DarthKaelan
Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:30 pm
#96
RozhlokLightningskull wrote:
Do you really think Jedi are all that concerned with BHs? Hate to tell you but they are more scared of Imps that'll TEF them. BHs aren't doing anything to limit the population. Missions pop up once in a great while. Usually the Jedi knows about it and logs off to escape, or does another exploit. If a BH gets to them then they lose one death and if they are at their limit they just stay away for a week. Only the greedy Jedi have to worry about losing a skill. BHs are the least of their worries. Trust me on that one.
I agree with you. And that's what I see as one of the biggest issues in the BH / Jedi relationship. Being actively hunted should make a Jedi alot more wary than a random TEF'er.
As irritated as I am with the current system, though, I'd much rather have Smuggler bounties than Jedi. Let the Jedi go level way up and do what they want. It's their game too. BH hunting Smugglers would provide alot more actual immersive SW content for both classes, and the Smuggler community seems alot more willing to work with us on a way to get it implimented.
No perma death, no skill loss, just straight up hunts.
I'd love to see some kind of Pirate profession introduced with the space expansion, to add a third possible player hunt target for us, but I'm not holding my breath on that one ... or on Smuggler missions ... or on Jedi missions being fixed the way they should be ... or on getting that pony I was promised when I was little ... 
Imperio59
Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:12 pm
#97
BH vs Smuggler, one broken class agaisnt another, who will win?
hchsiao
Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:11 pm
#98
Ture, Smuggler is a broken class however that borken class can dabble with other profession and got somefix. (like master pistoleer and master tka.)Besides how are you going to kill some onewho can feign death forever?
Imperio59
Sat Apr 24, 2004 12:15 am
#100
You know it, they know it, and they're not batting an eye.
Have any of you ever played Jedi Knight 3, Jedi academy? If you fought Boba, then you know HOW BHs are suppose dto really be, powerful, hard to take down, and overall a very worthy opponent. In SWG, a Bh is anything BUT that. If it was possible i'd just take the issue to lucas arts, this is not just game breaking, this is continuity breaking, period.
Spacedog
Sat Apr 24, 2004 12:27 am
#101
Imperio59 wrote:
Recent TH's post, where he explains publish 9 and how The FSCS system will work then. He said they will only force knights or above to do PvP, before that,jedis can stick to PvE to level up and not be bothered by any PC ever...
That severely misrepresents what was said. Here is what was written about Jedi and PvP:
Should they wish to continue, players can follow a PvE path of Jedi development from Padawan through learning the various force disciplines to become a full fledged Jedi Knight. Jedi Knight is yet another beginning to a new path of development. Once players have become a Jedi Knight and still hear the call, they can enter a whole new level that splits off to light and dark Jedi paths where forced Jedi PvP will gain you force ranking and possibly a seat on underground Light and Dark Jedi Councils.
To summarize:
"players can follow a PvE path of Jedi development from Padawan" - This is how Jedi currently advance. All of their experience is gained through PvE
"forced Jedi PvP will gain you force ranking" - After becoming a Jedi Knight, Jedi must PvP in order to receive experience. This PvP is unspecified, so we don't know if it is Jedi vs. Jedi, Jedi vs. Bounty Hunter, or who Jedi must fight.
It doesn't say anywhere in there that Jedi can't "be bothered by an PC ever" prior to reaching Knight. It just says that they can advance using PvE. There is absolutely no reason to believe that a careless Jedi will not be an open target to Bounty Hunters, regardless of the Jedi's level.
Cere Sollisar
Message Edited by Spacedog on 04-23-2004 02:28 PM
Imperio59
Sat Apr 24, 2004 12:46 am
#102
Now that i re-read it it does sound more like what you say, but i wouldn't be surprised if they did totally scrap PvP for Jedis under knight, i wouldn't be surprised indeed...
RozhlokLightningskull
Sat Apr 24, 2004 12:57 am
#103
Imperio59 wrote:
Yes, I don't usually post threads like these, i usually stick to constructive posts, but this is going too far.
I have been hearing for a few days about this jedi exploit, where they can somehow evade their TEFs by logging off and back on.
On top of this, somebody is saying they got a CSR warning because they killed a jedi twice? (i don't know all the details but that's what it sounded like...)
You don't know the whole story behind that CSR warning. So its best not to even comment on it. You're taking one side without hearing the other. That's stupid to do.
I think I speak for all BHs here by saying we have had enough! Tired of being on the bottom of the list of proffessions to see fixes. Tired of seeing Jedis get their way every time, First permadeath, then Saber Decay, Tired of not being even acknowledged.
Why is it always us vs. them with the Jedi? Why should we even care about this class? We should be clamoring for Smuggler player bounties. Instead we harp what the devs do for Jedi. I'm glad they are revamping Jedi. This hologrinding crap has got to end.
Publish 9 and 10 are Meant to be the Jedi Revamp, but how can you Revamp the Jedi Class without Revamping it's nemesis? Everyone knows that somehow, in Publish 9, alot more people will try to get jedi. On top of that, we will onyl be able to battle KNIGHTS OR ABOVE!
Again not true. Reread the post by TH. He states that in order to advance past Knight you must PvP. Doesn't say anything about being untoucable until you reach Knight.
This is unnacceptable as it is. We already stand little chance against initiates if we are not buffed, in full composite and with 5 different types of boosting foods (And don't any Jedi troll say otherwise, you KNOW there are ways to win even at a low-ish initiate level...).
Please. Initiates stand no chance against us. They are a joke. How do I know? Because, I train against one. I try to give him tactics to use against BHs. Nothing works. We walk through multiple scenerios and there is not much ofa chance. People say take KD food. But, you can't just sit there on KD food for the whole time you're online. Its just not worth it. Best chance he has is to stay hopped up on Brandy and when the BH attacks and sticks a KD+Dizzy to pop some food and hope you live long enough to survive the KD+Dizzy. Remember at Initiate you have no ranged attack. Your heals take up half your FP and they do very little. You also start off at a disadvantage because the BH has first strike. So he starts off at 50m and pops you. You can't close 50m on a BH with +100 TR and you having 0 TR. Your best option for survival at Initiate is escape.
The BH are THE ONLY THING preventing jedis from reaching high levels , we are not an EFFECTIVE MEANS of controlling the Jedi population as it stands NOW! There is no permadeath, skill loss is a joke frankly and we see more and more jedis on each server! This is breaking continuity, immersion, and everything else we all know about.
Do you really think Jedi are all that concerned with BHs? Hate to tell you but they are more scared of Imps that'll TEF them. BHs aren't doing anything to limit the population. Missions pop up once in a great while. Usually the Jedi knows about it and logs off to escape, or does another exploit. If a BH gets to them then they lose one death and if they are at their limit they just stay away for a week. Only the greedy Jedi have to worry about losing a skill. BHs are the least of their worries. Trust me on that one.
John773
Sat Apr 24, 2004 1:13 am
#104
Suddenly, eventually, our cage will be opened and our fangs and claws will be bared. I can imaging Sony stating rather simply that the Bounty Hunter is supposed to be a difficult profession to progress in, and have many great and powerful rewards. Something like "For months all professions but one have felt the loving care and touch of the development team to cultivate all of them into fun and engaging experiences. Now feel our Hate. Behold the New Bounty Hunter, and cower in Fear"