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This is not rocket science. If SOE wants to stop griefing there is a much more simple solution.

After you complete a misson on any Jedi you cannot take their misson again for 24 hours.

Problem solved end of story.

If five players want to get carpal tunnel getting the same Jedi misson only to split a payout five ways...let them.

Now they cant take that misson again for 24 hours.

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crowmedic wrote:

This is not rocket science. If SOE wants to stop griefing there is a much more simple solution.

After you complete a misson on any Jedi you cannot take their misson again for 24 hours.

Problem solved end of story.

If five players want to get carpal tunnel getting the same Jedi misson only to split a payout five ways...let them.

Now they cant take that misson again for 24 hours.

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What stops one of those original 5 from saying to a guildmate, "Hey ...we just pwned this newb Jedi ...he is easy. Take his mission and make some quick credits." So, guildmate goes and gets the mission, gathers HIS owngank squad of BH that havent done this mission, goes and kills the paddie ...bam, next. If you're doing this 24 hr safe period based on the bounty hunter doing it then getting the 24 hr timer, the Jedi is still going to be attacked over and over.

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RAMBOW wrote:

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Tanks wrote:

Posted on the correspondent forum for discussion with the devs.

Blix: "The Jedi names and mission amounts should not show on the terminals"
Rebuttal:

• If the names are truly anonymous it would be very possible to get the same mission on a Jedi that is on Kasshyk or sitting in a Cantina, AFK, in a player city, over and over again.


• It would be also very possible to keep getting missions on Jedi that a solo BH has no chance of defeating (see rebuttle above). Obviously, no grouping would be possible.


• It would also not be possible to ascertain a Jedi is online or know the faction of the Jedi.


• It would also take away from the RP aspects of bounty hunting.


• Kashyyyk has become Jedi grinding spot now, so BHs will not be able to hunt Jedi via PC informants there either (will cause even more resentment in the BH community).


• BHs will not be able to use /tar Jediname when they get to their querry.

Solutions:

• Make it so a Jedi is assigned a pseudonym when his mission is created. This way if he is on Kashyyyk or AFK in a player structure, the BH can pick another mission.


• List only online Jedi missions on a SEPARATE PC Bounty tab along with their faction.


• Allow the Arakydn droid toreveal the Jedi's real name along with the planet location so the BH can use his targeting macros later on, or abort the mission if he wishes at that point.


• Again, if you are not going to allow grouping or not list bounty amounts BHs should have the skills/mods to take on a full template Jedi.


• Add BH terminals on Kashyyk that will list only Jedi that are currently online, and on that planet, seeing that we would no longer be able to use PC informants. This way at least we'd be able to start looking for them (still would take a long while to manually search each instance).

One thing to consider before making any changes, if any, is that a lot of the complaints to date have been due to the fact that a lot of newbie Jedi had never PvPed, and also were under the impression that they had to drop non-Jedi skills to level effectively due to CL levels and Padawan effectiveness in solo play. So, when they started grouping and getting visibility, they got wasted.

Now, people are used to CU. Jedi are picking up skills like Rifleman/TK/Swordsman along with Jedi healing and defenses. As a result low level Padawans are actually MORE dangerous adversaries than mid-level Jedi.

It might not be necessary to make any changes to the BH/Jedi system to solve the problem of BHs picking on low level Padawans, as the problem seems to be solving itself for the most part.

I am ready to discuss any of these issues or possible solutions.

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Sorry in advance if reading this post you think im being a bit harsh... But I have been a BH for a long time and I dont want to see the professions I love to get dulled down because of the jedi constent whining about us killing them.

On my server, Chilastra, We have probably some of the best Bounty Hunters in the game... I dont say that lightly either. Im not talking about kill counts or fighting ability, Im talking about the actual "hunting". We have a long history of keeping tabs on all jedi on the server. It started with a list of jedi names started way back when jedi first unlocked... We had the first ever completed jedi mission on our server with some of the foundations for the BH system we have developed in place.

Recently most of these Bounty Hunters were united under 1 PA . While in this guild and watching us work together you really get a feel for what I always though BH should be. One of our newer more unexperienced members would ask about a certain jedi, and the vets would be able to tell him... Where the jedi hunts, what PA he is in, what faction, where his houses are that he might run to ect ect ect.... Vital Information for a true BH.

The fact is we do have these lists... We know everything we can about hundreds of jedi on our server. We have the Waypoints of there houses, cities, ect in our datapads.

If you take away our right to see thier names at the terminal, you will make us nothing but nameless waypoint chasers. Even if you give us names when we get the probe droid back.. it isnt the same at all.

The jedi say its unfair that BHs can pick and choose padawans and "bottom feed" once again, It seems to me the Jedi are blaming US for them being on the terms. Im all for giving them a Master/Aprentice system or perhaps no Visablity for groups ect.... Personally I like to hunt padawans because they still have something to loose. (now all the jedi will say im just in it to grief another player ect). What fun is jedi if you have nothing to loose? What fun is BHing against a mark that has nothing to loose? That would just be normal PvP, which I can find alot more of just by joining a group and going SF.

Please dont ruin the Bounty Hunter system by making us nothing but waypoint chasers.

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kagegod wrote:

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RAMBOW wrote:

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Tanks wrote:

Posted on the correspondent forum for discussion with the devs.

Blix: "The Jedi names and mission amounts should not show on the terminals"
Rebuttal:

• If the names are truly anonymous it would be very possible to get the same mission on a Jedi that is on Kasshyk or sitting in a Cantina, AFK, in a player city, over and over again.


• It would be also very possible to keep getting missions on Jedi that a solo BH has no chance of defeating (see rebuttle above). Obviously, no grouping would be possible.


• It would also not be possible to ascertain a Jedi is online or know the faction of the Jedi.


• It would also take away from the RP aspects of bounty hunting.


• Kashyyyk has become Jedi grinding spot now, so BHs will not be able to hunt Jedi via PC informants there either (will cause even more resentment in the BH community).


• BHs will not be able to use /tar Jediname when they get to their querry.

Solutions:

• Make it so a Jedi is assigned a pseudonym when his mission is created. This way if he is on Kashyyyk or AFK in a player structure, the BH can pick another mission.


• List only online Jedi missions on a SEPARATE PC Bounty tab along with their faction.


• Allow the Arakydn droid toreveal the Jedi's real name along with the planet location so the BH can use his targeting macros later on, or abort the mission if he wishes at that point.


• Again, if you are not going to allow grouping or not list bounty amounts BHs should have the skills/mods to take on a full template Jedi.


• Add BH terminals on Kashyyk that will list only Jedi that are currently online, and on that planet, seeing that we would no longer be able to use PC informants. This way at least we'd be able to start looking for them (still would take a long while to manually search each instance).

One thing to consider before making any changes, if any, is that a lot of the complaints to date have been due to the fact that a lot of newbie Jedi had never PvPed, and also were under the impression that they had to drop non-Jedi skills to level effectively due to CL levels and Padawan effectiveness in solo play. So, when they started grouping and getting visibility, they got wasted.

Now, people are used to CU. Jedi are picking up skills like Rifleman/TK/Swordsman along with Jedi healing and defenses. As a result low level Padawans are actually MORE dangerous adversaries than mid-level Jedi.

It might not be necessary to make any changes to the BH/Jedi system to solve the problem of BHs picking on low level Padawans, as the problem seems to be solving itself for the most part.

I am ready to discuss any of these issues or possible solutions.

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Sorry in advance if reading this post you think im being a bit harsh... But I have been a BH for a long time and I dont want to see the professions I love to get dulled down because of the jedi constent whining about us killing them.

On my server, Chilastra, We have probably some of the best Bounty Hunters in the game... I dont say that lightly either. Im not talking about kill counts or fighting ability, Im talking about the actual "hunting". We have a long history of keeping tabs on all jedi on the server. It started with a list of jedi names started way back when jedi first unlocked... We had the first ever completed jedi mission on our server with some of the foundations for the BH system we have developed in place.

Recently most of these Bounty Hunters were united under 1 PA . While in this guild and watching us work together you really get a feel for what I always though BH should be. One of our newer more unexperienced members would ask about a certain jedi, and the vets would be able to tell him... Where the jedi hunts, what PA he is in, what faction, where his houses are that he might run to ect ect ect.... Vital Information for a true BH.

The fact is we do have these lists... We know everything we can about hundreds of jedi on our server. We have the Waypoints of there houses, cities, ect in our datapads.

If you take away our right to see thier names at the terminal, you will make us nothing but nameless waypoint chasers. Even if you give us names when we get the probe droid back.. it isnt the same at all.

The jedi say its unfair that BHs can pick and choose padawans and "bottom feed" once again, It seems to me the Jedi are blaming US for them being on the terms. Im all for giving them a Master/Aprentice system or perhaps no Visablity for groups ect.... Personally I like to hunt padawans because they still have something to loose. (now all the jedi will say im just in it to grief another player ect). What fun is jedi if you have nothing to loose? What fun is BHing against a mark that has nothing to loose? That would just be normal PvP, which I can find alot more of just by joining a group and going SF.

Please dont ruin the Bounty Hunter system by making us nothing but waypoint chasers.

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I never thought I'd ever say this buy I agree with you 100% on your entire statement.

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i agree with the fact that jedi whine..but you know what bh whine just as much as jedi, 1)the templete is alot more easy to get out than a jedi 2)with root..gank..element of surprise..they are stronger than a jedi..ive seen knights fall to MBH on more than 1 occassion because of this resson,ive also seen new born paddys get run over with a gank of 5..followed with taugnting and all kinds of crap..."stay off the terms noob"..come on you ground out your temp why can they,the BH proffession is the most catered proffession out there...money,NO downside,the power to dictate the fight..come on now...big deal you cant see who your hunting boo hoo ...you wanna talk RP what freinds in there right mind gonna stand by why there freinds are getting ganked..think about it.And dont get me started with all the damn respec BH,talk about going from a nothing to a damn force to be reconed with,ummm ya ill go from a chef to a MBH...can any 1 tell me how to use this droid?.Im not taking anything away from MBH that got there the hard way..you ground out that crap branch investgation..brovo,i tried it ,said to hell with that.Bottom line,both are gonna whine,its really the only way to gain an uperhand in the struggle...it will never change,i think the really tragedy is the fact that the devs spend more time fixing us jedi and BH,what about the rest of those peeps,i mean christ we are not the only ones playing this game.But do with this what you want,us jedi and BH can sit and argue our points till we are blue in the face,i enjoy PvP,i dont run from it,i dont hide,my last kill was last night,walked from the cantina ,boom,here come the boys,its not like i didnt know it wasnt comming, i ground xp all day...i knew i had to be on the terms,but what you gonna do,run like a mouse or at least stand like a man and say "bring it",but sadly 95%of BOTH communitys have no sense of good play,you get a bunch of kids playing the game,its the only real place they can be asses and not be pulled in by the law.Oh well,to all jedi keep grinding,to all BH keep hunting..it weeds out the non dedicated peeps,and if by chance a bh reads this and by shear luck kills me,we are not gonna know each other,but bite me...long live the jedi/BH struggle

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DarthDominus wrote:

What stops one of those original 5 from saying to a guildmate, "Hey ...we just pwned this newb Jedi ...he is easy. Take his mission and make some quick credits." So, guildmate goes and gets the mission, gathers HIS owngank squad of BH that havent done this mission, goes and kills the paddie ...bam, next. If you're doing this 24 hr safe period based on the bounty hunter doing it then getting the 24 hr timer, the Jedi is still going to be attacked over and over.

Secondly, considering the average time in game of any "casual" player - you'd kill the Jedi, they'd maybe try to grind off the xp debt for a couple of hours, then log. By the time they play again, the 24 hour mark is up and they are ready to be attacked again just as they've broken even on the xp they lost the day before.

Nice try. I guess it is rocket science after all.

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I think a point that you and a lot of others are missing is that they are also making it so groupmates do not generate visibility. Therefore, a jedi should not gain visibility at the rates they are now, unless they are really careless. One BH attack should remove them from the terms for quite a while.

careless jedi or more realistically the whole visibility system was bugged - so landing on the terms ment you stayed on the terms no matter what.

griefing jedi is using broken tef to repeatedly kill them or searching for their mission repeatedly and hunting them (shouldn't happen, and shouldn't be considered griefing - but absolutely will happen after 20 goes live.)

when 20 goes live, there are servers with lower jedi populations. The first thing is all the jedi knight types are going to go out and get themselves on the terms. They will actively push their visibility up. Reason? it will project their jedi pals who aren't full template. A BH will be much more likely to pull a 225k type jedi if they work to get themselves on the terms. Look for : rebel jedi using macros in imperial outposts, imperial jedi in rebel zones, ...

Even doing this - the high template jedi wont be on all the time, and some new lower level jedi will be on right away after reset. These jedi will have EVERY BOUNTY HUNTER ON THE SERVER PICKING THEIR MISSION. They will get hit by 2-3 BH fairly quickly, and if some how they continue dueling in MO before other jedi log on - they will get on the terms again.

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Dallow wrote:

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DarthDominus wrote:

What stops one of those original 5 from saying to a guildmate, "Hey ...we just pwned this newb Jedi ...he is easy. Take his mission and make some quick credits." So, guildmate goes and gets the mission, gathers HIS owngank squad of BH that havent done this mission, goes and kills the paddie ...bam, next. If you're doing this 24 hr safe period based on the bounty hunter doing it then getting the 24 hr timer, the Jedi is still going to be attacked over and over.

Secondly, considering the average time in game of any "casual" player - you'd kill the Jedi, they'd maybe try to grind off the xp debt for a couple of hours, then log. By the time they play again, the 24 hour mark is up and they are ready to be attacked again just as they've broken even on the xp they lost the day before.

Nice try. I guess it is rocket science after all.

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I think a point that you and a lot of others are missing is that they are also making it so groupmates do not generate visibility. Therefore, a jedi should not gain visibility at the rates they are now, unless they are really careless. One BH attack should remove them from the terms for quite a while.

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I relent to and respect your point here. However, I don't think the group vis changes will affect things to a great extent.There will be a range of Jedi to hunt still, though the number of new padawans may drop off a bit.For people like me, I'm going to be very pleased. I'll never wear my robes orkeep saber in hand when around cities, players, or npcs - save for my group. You'll still have plentythat grind on Kash (gaining vis from Wookiees)or show off in cities though. I just hope the DEVs will soon recognize the problem Kash will be for your profession and fix it. There is a distinct difference to me, as a Jedi player, between getting a fair system and a free ride.

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DarthDominus wrote:

What stops one of those original 5 from saying to a guildmate, "Hey ...we just pwned this newb Jedi ...he is easy. Take his mission and make some quick credits." So, guildmate goes and gets the mission, gathers HIS owngank squad of BH that havent done this mission, goes and kills the paddie ...bam, next. If you're doing this 24 hr safe period based on the bounty hunter doing it then getting the 24 hr timer, the Jedi is still going to be attacked over and over.

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DarthDominus wrote:

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Dallow wrote:

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DarthDominus wrote:

What stops one of those original 5 from saying to a guildmate, "Hey ...we just pwned this newb Jedi ...he is easy. Take his mission and make some quick credits." So, guildmate goes and gets the mission, gathers HIS owngank squad of BH that havent done this mission, goes and kills the paddie ...bam, next. If you're doing this 24 hr safe period based on the bounty hunter doing it then getting the 24 hr timer, the Jedi is still going to be attacked over and over.

Secondly, considering the average time in game of any "casual" player - you'd kill the Jedi, they'd maybe try to grind off the xp debt for a couple of hours, then log. By the time they play again, the 24 hour mark is up and they are ready to be attacked again just as they've broken even on the xp they lost the day before.

Nice try. I guess it is rocket science after all.

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I think a point that you and a lot of others are missing is that they are also making it so groupmates do not generate visibility. Therefore, a jedi should not gain visibility at the rates they are now, unless they are really careless. One BH attack should remove them from the terms for quite a while.

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I relent to and respect your point here. However, I don't think the group vis changes will affect things to a great extent.There will be a range of Jedi to hunt still, though the number of new padawans may drop off a bit.For people like me, I'm going to be very pleased. I'll never wear my robes orkeep saber in hand when around cities, players, or npcs - save for my group. You'll still have plentythat grind on Kash (gaining vis from Wookiees)or show off in cities though. I just hope the DEVs will soon recognize the problem Kash will be for your profession and fix it. There is a distinct difference to me, as a Jedi player, between getting a fair system and a free ride.

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I don't know whether or not the group vis change will affect things to a great extent either. As a BH, I'm hoping it doesn't. What I am saying though, is that after Pub20, jedi will have the option to stay off the terms by being careful. In the present system they are forced to group and gain visibility so there is no reason in being careful. My point is that if the careful jedi get on the terms, one death to a bounty hunter should get them off the terms. The ones that continue to grind without care will be the ones that could get hunted over and over. And frankly, that's what they deserve. Unfortunately, most of these will probably the Trail grinders who will use LoS to avoid death. Hopefully, as you pointed out, the DEVS will fix Kashyyyk.

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aekeem wrote:

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DarthDominus wrote:

What stops one of those original 5 from saying to a guildmate, "Hey ...we just pwned this newb Jedi ...he is easy. Take his mission and make some quick credits." So, guildmate goes and gets the mission, gathers HIS owngank squad of BH that havent done this mission, goes and kills the paddie ...bam, next. If you're doing this 24 hr safe period based on the bounty hunter doing it then getting the 24 hr timer, the Jedi is still going to be attacked over and over.

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the jedi could always, and i know this could be a shocker to you, but the jedi could always learn how to pvp

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I know this could be a shocker to you, but not everyone that grinds to Jedi has aspirations of being an uber PvP God. There is a distinct difference between PvPing because you WANT to, such as in your case, and PvPing because you MUST ..such as in the case of a Jedi. I'll fight because I have to... but it wasn't my purpose for grinding to get Jedi.