Bounty Hunter Archive

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Dallow wrote:

RAMBOW - I mean no disrespect, but I really can't see how you are not a waypoint chaser now. Do you not use droids to find your mark? And how is removing the names making the BH profession easier?

I understand that you've done a lot of work tracking jedi on your server, but you can still use this information, can't you? Sure, it's gonna suck if you have to travel to your mark to find out who he is, but once you know who he is, you still have the information. It seems to me, that there will be a greater need for hunting after this patch.

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I can take a mission on Jedi A... and know most likely where I will find him, what his temp is and where he will run to... now I cant... All I can do now is follow the waypoints and wait to see who it is... I loose all element of surprise and preparation.

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RAMBOW wrote:

I can take a mission on Jedi A... and know most likely where I will find him, what his temp is and where he will run to... now I cant... All I can do now is follow the waypoints and wait to see who it is... I loose all element of surprise and preparation.

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OK, you know most likely where you will find him, but you still usea droid to get the WP, right? What if he's in a city? You still have the element of surprise as he most likely won't notice you. And, there's always /cover for other situations.

I guess I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm trying to prove that we will not be simply WP chasers. I still think it will take skill and cunning to take down a jedi. And, your information will still be useful.

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Dallow wrote:

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RAMBOW wrote:

I can take a mission on Jedi A... and know most likely where I will find him, what his temp is and where he will run to... now I cant... All I can do now is follow the waypoints and wait to see who it is... I loose all element of surprise and preparation.

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OK, you know most likely where you will find him, but you still usea droid to get the WP, right? What if he's in a city? You still have the element of surprise as he most likely won't notice you. And, there's always /cover for other situations.

I guess I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm trying to prove that we will not be simply WP chasers. I still think it will take skill and cunning to take down a jedi. And, your information will still be useful.

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/cover is a Rifleman skill... Im a BH/Pistoleer as I have always been

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Patje001 wrote:

irealy dont understand you guys you r nagging about us that where to powerfull

GET OVER IT WE TOOK MONTHS TO GET THERE SO WE R ALLOWED T BE THIS STRONG

you boneheads

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No one in this thread is complaining that Jedi are to powerful... please go back to your forums.

see below

Message Edited by PirateJolly on 07-08-2005 07:34 PM

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RAMBOW wrote:

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Tanks wrote:

Posted on the correspondent forum for discussion with the devs.

Blix: "The Jedi names and mission amounts should not show on the terminals"
Rebuttal:

• If the names are truly anonymous it would be very possible to get the same mission on a Jedi that is on Kasshyk or sitting in a Cantina, AFK, in a player city, over and over again.


• It would be also very possible to keep getting missions on Jedi that a solo BH has no chance of defeating (see rebuttle above). Obviously, no grouping would be possible.


• It would also not be possible to ascertain a Jedi is online or know the faction of the Jedi.


• It would also take away from the RP aspects of bounty hunting.


• Kashyyyk has become Jedi grinding spot now, so BHs will not be able to hunt Jedi via PC informants there either (will cause even more resentment in the BH community).


• BHs will not be able to use /tar Jediname when they get to their querry.

Solutions:

• Make it so a Jedi is assigned a pseudonym when his mission is created. This way if he is on Kashyyyk or AFK in a player structure, the BH can pick another mission.


• List only online Jedi missions on a SEPARATE PC Bounty tab along with their faction.


• Allow the Arakydn droid toreveal the Jedi's real name along with the planet location so the BH can use his targeting macros later on, or abort the mission if he wishes at that point.


• Again, if you are not going to allow grouping or not list bounty amounts BHs should have the skills/mods to take on a full template Jedi.


• Add BH terminals on Kashyyk that will list only Jedi that are currently online, and on that planet, seeing that we would no longer be able to use PC informants. This way at least we'd be able to start looking for them (still would take a long while to manually search each instance).

One thing to consider before making any changes, if any, is that a lot of the complaints to date have been due to the fact that a lot of newbie Jedi had never PvPed, and also were under the impression that they had to drop non-Jedi skills to level effectively due to CL levels and Padawan effectiveness in solo play. So, when they started grouping and getting visibility, they got wasted.

Now, people are used to CU. Jedi are picking up skills like Rifleman/TK/Swordsman along with Jedi healing and defenses. As a result low level Padawans are actually MORE dangerous adversaries than mid-level Jedi.

It might not be necessary to make any changes to the BH/Jedi system to solve the problem of BHs picking on low level Padawans, as the problem seems to be solving itself for the most part.

I am ready to discuss any of these issues or possible solutions.

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Sorry in advance if reading this post you think im being a bit harsh... But I have been a BH for a long time and I dont want to see the professions I love to get dulled down because of the jedi constent whining about us killing them.

On my server, Chilastra, We have probably some of the best Bounty Hunters in the game... I dont say that lightly either. Im not talking about kill counts or fighting ability, Im talking about the actual "hunting". We have a long history of keeping tabs on all jedi on the server. It started with a list of jedi names started way back when jedi first unlocked... We had the first ever completed jedi mission on our server with some of the foundations for the BH system we have developed in place.

Recently most of these Bounty Hunters were united under 1 PA . While in this guild and watching us work together you really get a feel for what I always though BH should be. One of our newer more unexperienced members would ask about a certain jedi, and the vets would be able to tell him... Where the jedi hunts, what PA he is in, what faction, where his houses are that he might run to ect ect ect.... Vital Information for a true BH.

The fact is we do have these lists... We know everything we can about hundreds of jedi on our server. We have the Waypoints of there houses, cities, ect in our datapads.

If you take away our right to see thier names at the terminal, you will make us nothing but nameless waypoint chasers. Even if you give us names when we get the probe droid back.. it isnt the same at all.

The jedi say its unfair that BHs can pick and choose padawans and "bottom feed" once again, It seems to me the Jedi are blaming US for them being on the terms. Im all for giving them a Master/Aprentice system or perhaps no Visablity for groups ect.... Personally I like to hunt padawans because they still have something to loose. (now all the jedi will say im just in it to grief another player ect). What fun is jedi if you have nothing to loose? What fun is BHing against a mark that has nothing to loose? That would just be normal PvP, which I can find alot more of just by joining a group and going SF.

Please dont ruin the Bounty Hunter system by making us nothing but waypoint chasers.

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QFE

I would like to put my 2 cents in on the BH/Jedi issues.

First off, I would like to know how many of you have ever played the Star Wars Role Playing Game. I would bet thatthere is a lot who haven't. And from my experiance playing the role playing game comes my opinions of both BH and Jedi, and I have been playing the role playing game since 1992.

In my opinion, there is no balance between Jedi and BH. Jedi are users of the mystical energy called The Force. Theyspend manyyears in training (most are started training at around the age of 5 to 8, just guessing from the books/movies). as opposed to most BH who don't start working the BH job until late teens, early 20s. So a Jedi Knight would be far more skilled than most BH he would ever meet, and if the jedi was combat oriented, he would be a more dangerous opponent than any but the most elite BH could ever hope to take down. Anyone who would be considered Evil, should be terrified at the sight of a Light Side Jedi, especially a Knight or higher. And ALL should me terrified at the sight of a Dark Jedi.

I have read how many BH feel that the up coming changes to the terms will drastically affect the BH ability to hunt and take down Jedi. Well, just think of the fact that though it will be harder for you to gat a group of 5 BH to hunt ONE jedi. It will make you look so much better in the eyes of others if you can single handedly take a Jedi. And remember, the Jedi cannot get any help when he is being attacked. And a BH will never have a group of 5 Jedi jump him while he is in the middle of PVE combat, as I have seen BH do so many times to Jedi.

I personaly think that only Jedi Knights should go on the terms, and that the XP loss should go away, this is not AD&D. And no other profession looses XP when they die. Yes, I know that Jedi should be hard, but BH should also be hard. I was a BH when you had to master both scout and marksman first.

Hopefully in the future there will be other player bounties for the BH to hunt. Including hunting BHs that fail bounty missions for say, Jabba or Valarian.

For those who want to know, I am currently a BH, I have been a BH twice before. I have never hunted Jedi as I don't care for PVP. And no, I am not a Jedi either, and never will be.

Ok, I will shut up now.

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PirateJolly wrote:

In my opinion, there is no balance between Jedi and BH. Jedi are users of the mystical energy called The Force. Theyspend manyyears in training

Heh wish that was true, but its not... a jedi full template can be done in about a week while grinding on feral wookiee camp

Well, that is SOEs fault with all the respec and double xp. What did you expect. I am talking in a RPG sense.

Here's an idea.

The devs make the proposed changes to the terminals along with the following changes to the MBH level:

1. We have no idea who we are hunting, so if we see a jedi regardless of whether we have their contract or not, we can openly attack them and collect their bounty. If the Jedi is one of the ones who manage to stay off the teminals, we get a base bounty amount.
2. At MBH we get awarded a comlink to allow us to call in NPC re-inforcements. When we locate our unknown mark, we can call for a factional drop ship that would deliver a platoon of factional troops to allow us to stand a chance against the knights that we may go up against without knowing it. (Don't know who they are or how much they're worth, remember?). Because of the ISDs in orbit, Imperial hunters should get their troops faster than other factions.
3. The addition of taking trophies from dead marks. I think it would be wonderful if I could take a jedi's ADK'd lightsaber. True jedi wouldn't need to take trophies for defending themselves, so this would be a MBH only feature.
4. Drop the Jedi XP loss from the game, but add Ysalamiri to the game.

Just my feelings. If the proposed changes are made to the terminals without giving something of greater or equal value to our profession, I'm going to seriously think about how much I really want to fork our my monthly fees to Jedi Wars:Galaxies.

referring to the starting post:

i can agree on the most of the points.

There are differences and they are important enough to post em:

BountyHuntermissions are and have ever been considered as 1 on 1 PvP-Fights.

This was a joke and became quite unusual, when respectime began and all the BHs grouped up against single jedis of about 120k worth. (saw this myself as jedi, 2 first kills came in in a 3, then 4 BH-group.) This is just fun for BHs of the lowest moralic categories and had to stop. So here we go with new terminals, and no BH should say, he didnt vote for it, while grouping against 1 single target, he could do alone with some skills and equipment....

ABUSEMENT of friends! lists to check if the target is online had to stop! You get a mark (and tbh, evry mark should be good for a "REAL BOUNTYHUNTER", as long as it pays. Its not online, is it? is it not? this is no option anyway, that any book- or filmchar ever had, and he for sure would never ask such a dumb question! Youre soldiers! take your damn mark and erase it, with fairness and upright!

Now you find targets of the faction you want...fine, id say.

Now there are more marks than ants in africa...good time for BHs id say

Oh, and PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE! save us from nonsense like this, spoken from a criminal professioneer, Bountyhunter, murderer for money:

"Again, if you are not going to allow grouping or not list bounty amounts BHs should have the skills/mods to take on a full template Jedi.""

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That are your wet dreams, hey, why become a jedi, when being a BH means to be equal? Stop trying to make everything flat in this game!

Greetz!

MS