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Thread: Jedi a priviledge, not a right

HyprHypo
Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:28 pm
#79



Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:


HyprHypo wrote:


Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:


HyprHypo wrote:
As long as there is no box lose or perma death, there is no reason to have more power than any other class. This is an online game, 1 alpha class = lame


No other profession has a penalty for using their dev-given abilities resulting in the one thing you can never gain back. Time.





Actually yea, if i hunt a mark that is hiding in his home or hunt a mark that i cannot kill because he is a max temp, thats a lot of time wasted right there. So you say that since your profession takes longer then it should be the strongest? BH takes the 2nd most time, shouldnt we be the 2nd strongest by your logic?


That doesn't follow. YOU chose how to spend your time. It's not something you risked someone taking away from you. It's something you spent.




ok we can go back and fourth on this, you CHOSE to be on the terminals.



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Leatherneck_of_Alderaan
Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:30 pm
#80






HyprHypo wrote:





Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:





HyprHypo wrote:





Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:





HyprHypo wrote:
As long as there is no box lose or perma death, there is no reason to have more power than any other class. This is an online game, 1 alpha class = lame




No other profession has a penalty for using their dev-given abilities resulting in the one thing you can never gain back. Time.







Actually yea, if i hunt a mark that is hiding in his home or hunt a mark that i cannot kill because he is a max temp, thats a lot of time wasted right there. So you say that since your profession takes longer then it should be the strongest? BH takes the 2nd most time, shouldnt we be the 2nd strongest by your logic?




That doesn't follow. YOU chose how to spend your time. It's not something you risked someone taking away from you. It's something you spent.






ok we can go back and fourth on this, you CHOSE to be on the terminals.





What natural, PVE use of a BH's abilities enable someone to take their time away?



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HyprHypo
Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:56 pm
#81



Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:


HyprHypo wrote:


Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:


HyprHypo wrote:


Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:


HyprHypo wrote:
As long as there is no box lose or perma death, there is no reason to have more power than any other class. This is an online game, 1 alpha class = lame


No other profession has a penalty for using their dev-given abilities resulting in the one thing you can never gain back. Time.





Actually yea, if i hunt a mark that is hiding in his home or hunt a mark that i cannot kill because he is a max temp, thats a lot of time wasted right there. So you say that since your profession takes longer then it should be the strongest? BH takes the 2nd most time, shouldnt we be the 2nd strongest by your logic?


That doesn't follow. YOU chose how to spend your time. It's not something you risked someone taking away from you. It's something you spent.




ok we can go back and fourth on this, you CHOSE to be on the terminals.


What natural, PVE use of a BH's abilities enable someone to take their time away?





nothing and it sucks for you guys but that doesnt mean you should be better in the end. Its the reason we have so many Jedi as it is. Once you are maxed you are always better than any standard profession and thats the problem. Thats why box loss or perma death is the only fair solution if we keep 1.5 or a 2nd Alpha class. If not, then why be better? Basically dieing in PVP is a setback and it blows. It should be removed once you guys are balanced.



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GlargTheKelfn
Mon Jul 18, 2005 2:29 pm
#82


Grimjakk wrote:

GlargTheKelfn wrote:
according to the bh corospondant, jedi are already ballanced against the other classes.

and fwiw:

every class is a 'right' as we all pay our 15$ a month to play whatever we want. jedi is just as much as right as entertainer or scout or command is.


Shouldn't misquote the man... he said the DEVS intended full temp Master Bounty Hunters to fight 1 on 1 against a full temp Jedi, and that they felt that pub 19 healing changes addressed a lot of the imbalance.

( http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=bounty_hunter&message.id=475554#M475554 )

Now... as to whether that's the case or not at the moment, 1on1 parity IS what they're aiming at... taking the ability to "stalk and strike" into account.






here is the post i was referring to
Here


tanks:
Well, devs thought it was pretty close after Pub. 19, and will make further adjustments. I will post a feedback thread after Pub. 20 goes live.

The funniest thing is, the ones that are calling for the most amount of Jedi nerfs are the Jedi themselves. Any useful skill others have that a particular Jedi does not have, for the most part, is a reason for a nerf call.




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Nathanielstarr
Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:11 am
#83






Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:





Nathanielstarr wrote:





Dlek_Krego wrote:
I play a Jedi because it IS my right to do so. No BH can tell me differently. I pay a monthly subscription fee, so I have the RIGHT to play whichever profession I choose, even if I have to work harder to get it.





It's not a right....it's certainly your perogitive within the framework of the game to pursue Jedi. They could take away jedi, delete them, ban you from playing your jedi and otherwise not allow you to be your jedi without any provocation if they desire, for that reason alone it's not a right. It's like your drivers liscense, yeah you passed the driving test and you can drive but they can take that away (although the law in this country dictates that they would have to have a reason to do that) so they call it a priviledge. You can have your liscense taken away from you for not paying child support in the state of California, but you could not have your right of freedom of speech taken away for example.







Yes you can. It's called a "gag order". Happens often enough.





Well that is about a specific situation not encompassing the whole right. That's how the law defines it, you're not losing your right to free speech just not able to talk about a specific situation. If it took away your right entirely then it would violate our constitution. But yeah they do that often enough but lets not get into that.
Grimjakk
Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:52 am
#84





GlargTheKelfn wrote:
according to the bh corospondant, jedi are already ballanced against the other classes.

and fwiw:

every class is a 'right' as we all pay our 15$ a month to play whatever we want. jedi is just as much as right as entertainer or scout or command is.





Shouldn't misquote the man... he said the DEVS intended full temp Master Bounty Hunters to fight 1 on 1 against a full temp Jedi, and that they felt that pub 19 healing changes addressed a lot of the imbalance.


( http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=bounty_hunter&message.id=475554#M475554


Now... as to whether that's the case or not at the moment, 1on1 parity IS what they're aiming at... taking the ability to "stalk andstrike" into account.




Grimjakk Ghostripper / Master Bounty Hunter - Sunrunner
Where DEATH has no price, LIFE has no value.
"You're no Jedi. You're just someone with a fancy sword and a few parlor tricks."
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