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Thread: Why the jedi nerfs wont help anyone....

Damian-j
Wed Jun 29, 2005 12:12 pm
#79






KashyyykGaurdian wrote:
well..this jedi that was doing the damage was doing it to lvl 81 gurks on lok...which i know are different than peolpe but he was doing around as much as i was in damage per hit, but he was attacking alot fast than me. and dont say my gun is crap or anything cuz its easily one of the best i've seen.

so all of this leads me to believe they are better at damaging than me.....BUT THATS NOT THE ISSUE HERE!!!!..your taking my rant on how people have perverted these forums into a whine fest and your trying to tell me jedi are underpowered. jedi aren't underpowered, i rarely ever seen a fully templated knight taken down by a fully templated non-jedi. btw thats the price of the grind i guess....which i think is reasonable. and believe it or not, i think jedi should have more power....BUT THE POINT OF THIS LITTLE QUARREL IS NOT THE POINT OF MY ARGUMENT.

Message Edited by KashyyykGaurdian on 06-29-2005 12:07 AM





I'm not going to say you are lying dude, but I am MLS, I have a 690 Max Damage Saber, and even if I armourbreak and KD a level 80 I don't hit for more than about 1100, and then its only that one attack cos the target is back on its feet again and I have to wait 3 secs to use powerattack again.


Maybe the guy has an Uber Saber, I don't know, just those numbers seem kinda high to me.


I got a rifleman guildee that has hit me in a duel, I had Aura going, and I was MDef, he snipershot me for 1688 damage. If I hadn;t of had any Defender he woulda one shot incapped me.



I'm just gonna wait and see how P19 pans out, see how I go in PVP and against BH, then if I need to I got my token respec left.






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KashyyykGaurdian
Wed Jun 29, 2005 12:16 pm
#80

yea...i think that jedi had one of the top LS on our server..but still..

And im actually not that happy about the possible nerf for the next publish either...this means that any idiot with a proton carbine and some CM will be a real challenge for a knight. which im not happy about...i want a damn challeged. i want to know that unless i plan everything right im likely to lose against a full template...but, thats a rant for another time



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LandonRyuu
Wed Jun 29, 2005 1:29 pm
#81



Jhess wrote:


Iwoow wrote:
WIth us jedi getting nerfed alot more of you bhs will find jedi targets that will run instantly, I for one havent made up my mind yet but I will give fighting a bh a chance post 19 and if it sux ...well ill be a runner :/











Me against Bhs (won:loss)
38:2

Are you a developer, or maybe a higher up at SoE? No one person or small group of people got jedi nerfed, the entire community expressed its outrage over the fact that it was a clearly unblanced profession, and the devs balanced their healing.





Look up the definition of "Alpha" in the dictionary, nuff said.
Nathanielstarr
Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:50 pm
#82

Jedi were not nerfed...they were actually increased in power. A 92k jedi hit me for 711 damage. I was not knocked down and he did not do armor break. My armor is 8106 to energy 6000 to elementals. My melee defense is 265. A 95k jedi hit like that. Elemental damage sure is fixed.


and oh he was level 77 to my level 80...

Message Edited by Nathanielstarr on 06-29-2005 04:05 AM

Damian-j
Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:14 pm
#83






Nathanielstarr wrote:

With elemental damage they will be doing more...and faster too. I also know that alot of jedi have very low SAC.

Message Edited by Nathanielstarr on 06-29-2005 12:22 PM




All Sabers were reset to 100 SAC when they fixed the PRE CU ones. Post that fix, the best Saber SAC I have seen is 96. I wouldn't call that either high or low. Especially when there are FWG5 pistols getting round with 65 SACs on Flurry. LOL




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atat9619
Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:43 pm
#84

a jedi killed me in 4 hits.



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Nathanielstarr
Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:50 pm
#85






Damian-j wrote:






atat9619 wrote:
a jedi killed me in 4 hits.





Well, if you get inside 6m against a Jedi, don't expect to live long.


99% of BH's are ranged fighters, you gotta stay at range to beat a Melee toon.


The challenge to BH's now is to Keep Jedi at arms length and control the fight from a distance, just as a Jedi's job is to close that distance and bring the fight within his range.


One on one fights will still be difficult if the Jedi knows what hes doing. But you guys got numbers on your side, bring a BH friendor 2 and your chances of winning increase dramatically.



Message Edited by Damian-j on 06-29-2005 10:49 PM





and they intend to change bh grouping against jedi....and are going to nerf root and snare.


Damian-j
Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:59 pm
#86






Nathanielstarr wrote:


and they intend to change bh grouping against jedi....and are going to nerf root and snare.







You will still be able to root and snare, just not chain them together to keep your targets perma rooted like can be done now.

And all BH's have access to Parawan Nutricake to run round kiting Jedi.

Just as allBH's have access to Doc or CM to get excellent healing ability.

MBH/MPistols/4000CM - Great solo BH template. Get the ranged arms and you can fire your pistols from over 50m away.


My 2 cents is all. Just clearing it up for the guy who got killed in 4 hits, he obvioulsy did a few things wrong for that to happen.




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Nathanielstarr
Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:21 am
#87

With elemental damage they will be doing more...and faster too. I also know that alot of jedi have very low SAC.

Message Edited by Nathanielstarr on 06-29-2005 12:22 PM

WinstonX
Thu Jun 30, 2005 1:23 am
#88

there was no jedi nerf
diepa
Thu Jun 30, 2005 4:49 am
#89






KashyyykGaurdian wrote:
the problem isn't that they can heal faster than a doc, or that they can do damage as much as an average rifleman, or that they can tank better than anything else in the game, including a great TK (which btw, where suppost to be FS and also hunted jedi, in the storyline) the problem is that they can do it all at once. a Master LS, Master Def, Healer 4000 can do all those things listed above at once. but the problem is easily exlpained, they have to do 10 time as much grinding as the rest of us, right? yet we still complain...either go jedi yourself or dont complain. im a BH myself, and i beat jedi by suprising them. i follow them for atleast an hour, to learn their weaknesses, to get an idea on their template and to see how they react to stress. and i strike in a single moment when they are most vulnurable and most of the time, i win...this is what BH DO!!! we track them and study them and get them when they least expect it and will be least prepared. do you think Bobba would charge at a jedi without atleast learning about him first? do you think any sane person in their life has ever ran at a random person, who they know to be stronger than them and started a fight? no.

think guys, use your damned skills and beat them while they are at low health from a bunch of mobs. i dont care how long it takes for this to happen, it will happen. if you dont have the patience to wait for the right time to attack then you aren't worth of being called a BH. We all know you cant out-heal a jedi, and most of us cant out damage them or have the defence they have, but we can get them while they are being raped by a bunch of mobs.

i've gone down to the ryyat trails to hunt jedi...u know what i do? i get a bunch of my buddies to go down their first then i sneak in while they are all being /duel /endduel'd and i attack while the jedi cant see who's shooting from in the crowd. and when the jedi runs for the LoS spot, you use ROOT! thats why we have it, fools. use it well, dont just use it at the beginning like an idiot, save it till u need it. its pathetic watching all you old "true" bounty hunters whine like this. we BH have more power and versatility than we ever had, and jedi is weaker than its ever been, YET YOU STILL WANT MORE!!!...just go jedi yourself then and send the rest of us your name so we can show you how a real bh hunts real fools with glowsticks.

i dont mean this as a troll, please dont take is as one. im not saying any of this out of malice. i just want our boards to go back to tactics and cool things like it used to be, a long time ago. now its just filled with whines and people complaining about exploits and strong jedi. this isn't what the Bounty Hunter Guild is suppost to be guys. we are suppost to work together to hunt jedi, to help each other become better hunters, not sit here and complain.

thats my rant/opinion on the whole BH/Jedi issue atm, not a flmae or a troll.





For one I dont think a LS can outdamage a rifle, maybe with the changes. But you could create a character thet was a rifleman/tk/Doc4000. You can now do all of these things at once, you can outdamage a lightsaber, you can tank(will grant you not as well as a defender) and with changes way outheal the jedi. You can do this withdouble xp in about a day of grinding with no risk of BH's. The Jedi gets the same thing but requires 12x the xp and has to deal with BH's and xp loss, so where is the reward?
tHeRaBiDmOnKeY
Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:15 pm
#90






RedVenom400 wrote:





tHeRaBiDmOnKeY wrote:






Jhess wrote:





Iwoow wrote:
WIth us jedi getting nerfed alot more of you bhs will find jedi targets that will run instantly, I for one havent made up my mind yet but I will give fighting a bh a chance post 19 and if it sux ...well ill be a runner :/











Me against Bhs (won:loss)
38:2



Are you a developer, or maybe a higher up at SoE? No one person or small group of people got jedi nerfed, the entire community expressed its outrage over the fact that it was a clearly unblanced profession, and the devs balanced their healing.






no, it was the bounty hunters who complained that they sometimes lost to a padawan because he could heal. Now that heals have a 6 second cooldown, you will start to see many jedi getting doc 4/x/x/x instead of healer 4/x/x/x.





lol well if they spend 13 skill boxes instead of 4 they would deserve better healing , and guess what SURPRISE !doctor healing also has a 6 second cool down muahhahaha stop whining noob .




Wow, I come in here supplying info thats been proven, and you call me a noob. Thanks for flaming me when I'm obviously not whining, but just pointing out the fact that yes, jedi healing WAS overpowered. YES it was nerfed. Now it costs 10% mind, 6 second cool-down. Have you even seen pub 19? My doc char can outheal, outdamage, and kite my jedi. Bacta Jab and bacta Shot are VERY deadly. Just tonight, when I was grinding on dant with a friend, I got into some trouble, and was INSTANTLY healed, by not 2, but just 1 shot, forgetting to ask which one, and was healed for 1754 damage. Naturally I was surprised, as not only did his mind not even budge, but then proceded to use ANOTHER heal, (I'm assuming a lower level heal), that healed for 1286 damage. I will be sure to take a screenshot and supply the info next time if you would like. Hes TKM, MPikes, 4/0/0/0 doc just to let you know. All I am trying to say is, that they took it a step too far adding 6 second cool-down. If they just kept the timer for healing as it was, also keeping the mind/action costs, we would SITLL run out of mind if we constantly spammed heal.




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