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HoopyFr00d

Sat Aug 27, 2005 12:03 am

Lethian_Tulkhas wrote:

trust me, nobody is suposed to be able to intefere with a BH's mission after he gets TEF, this is an exploit if used on purpose. Otherwise its just a bug that WILL be fixed.

Even if the Jedi is already in a duel? What is supposed to happen? The duel is supposed to end automatically as soon as the BH attacks?

Like I said before. If the BH attacks when the Jedi is dueling, the dueler has just as much right to the DB as does the BH.

There is some question here as to whether or not the Jedi was dueling at the time of the attack, but if he was, then the BH simply got a taste of his own medicine and nothing more. Not an exploit, not cheap, merely two people finishing a duel.

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Raganius

Sat Aug 27, 2005 12:13 am

#80

HoopyFr00d wrote:

Lethian_Tulkhas wrote:

trust me, nobody is suposed to be able to intefere with a BH's mission after he gets TEF, this is an exploit if used on purpose. Otherwise its just a bug that WILL be fixed.

Even if the Jedi is already in a duel? What is supposed to happen? The duel is supposed to end automatically as soon as the BH attacks?

Like I said before. If the BH attacks when the Jedi is dueling, the dueler has just as much right to the DB as does the BH.

There is some question here as to whether or not the Jedi was dueling at the time of the attack, but if he was, then the BH simply got a taste of his own medicine and nothing more. Not an exploit, not cheap, merely two people finishing a duel.

This is a valid point, however the spirit in which the db was applied seems to have been simply to deprive the BH of his victory. And that is what made it cheap. The dueling partner did not have to apply the db. He chose to, odds are it was at the request of the mark. And the post you quoted has a valid point.The various publish changesto the jedi/bh tef system...

The terminal changes to try and prevent grouping.

The Tef changes to prevent outside healing.

The group Tef change (mainly to prevent PvP ganking but still)

This just looks to be one more oversight in the tef system that allows outside interferance in what is supposed to be 1 on 1 combat.

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Lethian_Tulkhas

Sat Aug 27, 2005 12:14 am

#81

yes if you are in a duel it should end imeditly the same as when you are in a PVP and are special forces and a BH attacks, suddenly you are TEF'ed and out of the PVP fight and into another one.

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Calel_Haven

Sat Aug 27, 2005 1:12 am

#82

TheGreatFreyr wrote:

since i really dont care what the jedi think about this i'll post it here.

Today i was in my city, duelin around with some guildies, when a bh comes up and shoots me. i stop hittin my friend and go after the bh. (the duel is still running) i'm at like 20% force when the bh hits me and he's got some nice heals, no way i'll win. so when i get incapped my friend dbed me. You guys think this is an exploit? i didnt start dueling my friend after the bh came, or right before i was gonna get incapped, i was dueling him for a few mins before the bher came. the bh obviously called exploit on me but what do u guys think?

Ask yourself ONE question... If you're friend had incapped you B4 the BH arrived, and he arrived to find you on the deck do you think would DB you? The answer my friend is.

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Lethian_Tulkhas

Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:38 am

#83

dont you guys know what an exploit is. Its using an unintended game bug to your advantange or using a game mechanic in a way its not intended.

We know BH vs Jedi is suposed to be just that BH with mission vs a jedi. If you do anything not consistant with that, wether the game mechanic allows it or not. its an exploit.

Trust me all those people doing the Credit dupe was using a game mechanic but it was an exploit to use it in that manner.

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Growlie

Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:58 am

#84

Raganius wrote:

Ok, for those of you throwing the examples of rancors or pikets whatever. If one of those were to aggro and do the db on a jedi mark it is completely different than dudes buddy throwing the db on him. They are AI mobs, not a person doing the action for the simple reason of screwing the BH over. They are not "rescuing" the jedi they way this guy's friend did. The mark disengaging and falling back to his friend so that his friend can prevent the xp loss is a load of crap. I don't care what you think, the fact is with all of the changes made to the bh/jedi system to prevent outside interferance, there is no way anyone should see this as a legit move.

Jedi dies in both situations..

BH looses db in both situations..

Looks like BH screwed in both...but only exploit when a BH interferes with a duel?

So lets factor in IF a Jedi intentionally runs into a rancor/NS to get pve db...is he exploiting the non-exploit BH db screwing?

Ohh wait I just had an idea, maybe all the jedi can be rounded up and put out in a coral with the nerfherders keeping any eye on them, then when a BH comes, the nerherders can pull the jedi out and hand them over to the BH. Hahahaha

Jedi+pvp=exploit it seems unless its the BH+Jedi 1v1 formula, so no more duels, overts or guildwars jedi cause that would interfere with the BH-Jedi 1v1 Hahahaha

I still support the interferer TEF

Love this thread, pls keep it going

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JoBoFedderish

Sat Aug 27, 2005 7:39 am

#85

I ran into a simular issue and filed a complaint. Its not considered an "exploit" at this time but supposedly the devs are looking into the isue.

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Xoreshear

Sat Aug 27, 2005 12:06 pm

#86

I am not surprised J3di are doing this.

I'd say don't whine when a BH shows up, let's a NPC incap her then puts Last Ditch on your rear either.

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Raganius

Sat Aug 27, 2005 12:22 pm

#87

RemoMoxey wrote:

KJFett3 wrote:

The battle between a jedi and a BH is intended to be 1 on 1. Anything done that disrupts that 1 on 1 is not working within the intended process. Doing something intentionally that is not within the intended process of the 1 on 1 is an exploit. If he DBed you knowing he shouldn't (we know he knew he was in the wrong) then yes it was an exploit.

Rule of thumb is this. If you have to ask if its an exploit...it most likely is.

Not quite True. 3 BHs can get the Same Jedi mission (not probable, but it IS POSSIBLE, and within the intended process). So when a Jedi gets 2 BHs after him it's not 1 on 1, and therefore is not an intended process.

Oh, wait. That is cool because it's the Jedi that get the short end of the stick, not the BH (which by the way, 1 gets the DB....other is out of luck).

They have made it as difficult as possible for multiple BH's to gang on the same target. If they made it so that only one Bh could get someones mission at any one time, then there are those out there who would have thier alt at the terms every three days pulling missions until they got thier own. The reason why the limit is 5 BH's to one mission is that it is next to impossible for a jedi to get 5 BH's to hold thier mission to prevent thier being hunted. this is not about Bh's do it all the time so it's ok for me to exploit something that was overlooked. this is a case of someone using the game mechanics in a fashion and with timing that was uninteded.

And the Jedi talking about how he incapped the guy when he got out of the cloner makes it worse. It shows the he and his buddy did this puposefully with the intenet of spoiling the fight, the Bh was coming out on top, and instead of being a man and dying where he stood, or running away, he got his buddy to hand him a get out of trouble free card with a trip to the cloner.

The jedi that did this thought he was being funny and thought what he did was cute and decided to come to our forums and brag about how he shafted one of us. I am honestly surprised by the number of people who see what these two people did aslegit and fair, what this is, is as cheap and lame as the Los bug on the ryatt was. Only this can and will happen anywhere and not just in the jedi free grind zone.

Seems like most of the jedi are just having fun that they found a new way to weasle out of the bh/jedi confrontation. And thier attitude screams that if it is something that helps them, then it must be working as intended, because the Dev's love them so much, after all, who does it show in the commrecials?

Message Edited by Raganius on 08-27-2005 02:23 AM

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B-Funk

Sat Aug 27, 2005 12:27 pm

#88

I think if you are attacked bya BH then it should automatically end any current duels

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raziviWH

Sat Aug 27, 2005 12:58 pm

#89

Hmm, exploit just seems like the wrong word for this situation really. Yes, it was wrong. Yes, it was a form of cheating. But it was cheating using the current system and game mechanics, not some bug. So, exploit isn't exactly the right word for this, IMO.

BUT! It is a form of cheating. You used your friend in an manner unitended by the BH/Jedi fighting system to PURPOSELY avoid EXP loss to yourself and prevent the BH from getting his exp and bounty reward. IMO, with a screen shot of the combat log, chat log, and a regular screen shot of the overall picture, I would have gone to a CSR. Exploit, no. But quite possibly a suspendable cheatingoffense if proper proof is submitted.

Nerfs to all professions are caused by situations and people like this. People who use exploits or look for ways to abuse the game in ways unintended by the devs. You hate how the game is today? Hate all the jedi nerfs? Hate yourselves, you did it to yourselves.

Have a nice day folks.

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Lethian_Tulkhas

Sat Aug 27, 2005 3:19 pm

#90

its the samewhen your about to DB a jedi in PVP battle and a BH startsthier attack suddenly you loose the ability to attack that jedi. Thats the way it is suposed to be. After a Bh attacks a Jedi everyone but another BH with that same jedis mission looses all rights to attack or heal that jedi. thats what the DEVS say so i dont know how its not an exploit, it clearly stats this again and again over and over. To use any mechanic or bug to get around this one underlying rule is/should be an exploit

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Tebio

Sat Aug 27, 2005 4:26 pm

#91

Lethian_Tulkhas wrote:
its the samewhen your about to DB a jedi in PVP battle and a BH startsthier attack suddenly you loose the ability to attack that jedi. Thats the way it is suposed to be. After a Bh attacks a Jedi everyone but another BH with that same jedis mission looses all rights to attack or heal that jedi. thats what the DEVS say so i dont know how its not an exploit, it clearly stats this again and again over and over. To use any mechanic or bug to get around this one underlying rule is/should be an exploit

What about this case? Jedi is grinding, has already been incapped twice by the dewbacks he's fighting, a BH attacks, and the dewback gets the final blow. Is this SOE exploiting? Suicide to a Krayt also exploting? A Special Forces Jedi running into a turret a Jedi? Or is it just the way the fight goes sometimes...

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