Bounty Hunter Archive

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DeaDKennedys wrote:

ive met 2 bhs that do 2 attacks with a macro... didnt help them but just so u know there are BHs that do this....

My LS is 782 max dmg and i can hit a bh that is armorbreak KD for 2k dmg with power attack oh and u can add another 230 elemental dmg with banes heart so my actual max dmg is 1012. ive hit many bhs for 2k as long as there armor break and KD

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The real issue here isn't actually the fact that a Jedi is cheating. However, I am aware of a bug, actually CAUSED by Customer Service Reps, that is causing this type of 'extra damage stacking' on sabers due to an extra damage crystal/pearl in the saber.

What happened was that, after the CU, a lot of Jedi were getting reported for sabers with no attack cost. These Jedi would have their sabers taken by CSRs, and would have the SAC moved to 100. However, CSRs somehow goofed the process and were pullling out the color crystal, but the system believed there was still one in it. This allowed the Jedi to put in FIVE damage crystals instead of four, therefore goofing the saber, adding anywhere from an extra 50 to 120 points of damage, as well as lowering the force cost to almost nil (I've seen bugged sabers with as low as 1 FC on a fourth gen).

This is another bug, and if you have any suspicion regarding any Jedi using a saber like this, I suggest reporting them, to at least have a CSR look into it. This isn't really a Jedi's fault, because the CSRs screwed it up, but they shouldn't continue using a bugged saber like this. Hopefully, the issue can be resolved soon, and the sabers will be put back the way they belong. (And no, my saber is NOT bugged like this )

As far as the two attacks in one hit thing....I don't think so. I've never seen this done, ever. However, if it's an MLS Jedi with improved speed and an adrenal boost buff from a doctor (or luilris mushroom pie from the Myyydril Caverns), it can seem like they are hitting twice per attack, because their attacks are just that fast. Please watch and check the buffs on the person you're fighting before you cry exploit in situations like this.

Dani

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warrenbassist wrote:

1200 damage, I even posted a screen shot of the combat log. I had food buffs, good armor, I'm a double master, and my duelest stance on throughout. The Jedi still averaged twice if not more the amount of damage I did to him. And saber throw still knocks you down, which if I remember right from pub 19 patch notes is not supposed to KD anymore. If Duelest stance gives +250 defense I wonder how much damage he would've done without it.

I'm still testing combat against sabers to see if there is a workaround, but so far its not looking like it.

Message Edited by warrenbassist on 07-14-2005 01:41 PM

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MASTER SABER CAN STILL KD ON SABER THROW. They nerfed 0004 saber throw kd, not MASTER SABER.

This is half the problems of bh's, they have no clue what they are whining about.

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iskareot wrote:

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warrenbassist wrote:

1200 damage, I even posted a screen shot of the combat log. I had food buffs, good armor, I'm a double master, and my duelest stance on throughout. The Jedi still averaged twice if not more the amount of damage I did to him. And saber throw still knocks you down, which if I remember right from pub 19 patch notes is not supposed to KD anymore. If Duelest stance gives +250 defense I wonder how much damage he would've done without it.

I'm still testing combat against sabers to see if there is a workaround, but so far its not looking like it.

Message Edited by warrenbassist on 07-14-2005 01:41 PM

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TIme out.... TIME OUT... Now listen I dont Cheat and any freaking one of you can come find this out or ask a DEV..

BUT, I can do 1200 damage in the right setting to you... so DO NOT think this is not done from a MLS with perfect sabers.. some of us do that them and that is almost exactly the damage we can do with powerstrike and armor break... or some other powers...

So that number is possible... as far as above 2k (Well I have to see that crap)... 1200 though.. Oh yes its possible.

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I'm MLS, and I can hit up to 1200 damage..... I dont cheat.

I have 115 -9 crystals (all awesome and rare)

I am MLS

I used an experimentation suit that took my guild alot of work to piece together (ca's)

I eat pvp foods that can boost my accuracy and thus land more hits (this is available to all of you)

Seems to me, there is whiners here that dont know the mechanics of the game... This board resembles the GCW board, you guys sure like to post the same ignorant garbage in both places dont you?

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whiteboymike wrote:

interesting points matey .

I took a one shot kill from a BH two days ago on full health / buffed etc.

/jedi-shrugs

I'd say their are enough exploits on both professions. I've never been able to exploit a LS in the way you suggest, but its nevertheless interesting

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Carbcrafter wrote:

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AltharXXX wrote:

two points:

1) mindspat claims to have a jedi and has posted messages which suggest how the exploit can be done. These are deleted fairly quickly.
2) this thread is clearly a Public Service Announcement. while it is possible for a jedi to hit every second, generally this will require at least one speed buff. If they are doing it without a speedbuff - maybe, just maybe, they are exploiting. If they are hitting you for 2k on a default attack there is a good chance they are exploiting.

If you suspect someone is exploiting you should report & petition them immediately in game.

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Ok Check this then...

MLS, 4000Enhancer, +23 saber speed tapes in clothing, 4nice pearls, a saber experimentation suit that is +20 and allows you to get a a pre-pearl saber to 1.91 speed. What is to say that if the saber with pearls gets down to 1.31 with the buffs and accuracy foods that you can't hit that fast?

I would hope you confirm before you scream exploit, because the last time I checked a fourth generation saber, it only held 5 items, one color crystal and whatever enhanced pearls or crystals.

CARBZ

Message Edited by Carbcrafter on 07-14-2005 11:54 AM

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Dude where have you been? This is an old exploit. Really old. It was fixed, and with the CU has "returned". I'm not going to tell anyone how it's accomplished, the Devs know how it's accomplished. And they need to recode that section again to fix this issue. It's typical. Everytime this dev team fixes one thing, some other fix they had made get's rebroken. Just because you can't cram more than your 4 damage and 1 color crystal into your saber doesn't mean there's not a way to cram more. There is.

There's also another "stacking" exploit being used, and an instant kill exploit being used. Dev's know aboutthem too.

Quick solution. If you feel you were exploited, CTRL+H, file a harassment under exploit and list what happened. The more tickets filed about it, the quicker the devs will be to take action.

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da-bro wrote:


There is a misunderstanding with how defence works in regrds to damage mitigation.

Damage mitigation from defence (note not armor) is based on 2 things. The first is the attackers accuracy and the second is the damage range on their weapon. Advanced LAser Rifles have a damage range of about 500 points and so, through the use of defence, it is possible to shave 500 points of damage off the weapon stats (i.e force the weapon to use a value closer to its minimum damage in combat). The greater your defence is above their accuracy, the more their weapon damage is scaled towards the minimum. This is where the mitigation comes from. So if the attacker has high accuracy and/or a weapon with a low damage range (e.g Lightsaber, you will hardly see any damage mitigation from defence.

Aura/Center Of Being/Duelist Stance will only really work versus non Jedi players because Lightsabers have a very low damage range (less than 100 points) and because of this, at best, you can only shave 100 points off their damage. Versus someone with an Advanced Laser Rifle, it is possible to mitigate around 40% of the damage because the weapon has such a high damage range. As I said earlier, the higher the accurayc of the person you're fighting, the less mitigation you get aswell.

So for Duelist Stance to work, you need to be fighting non Jedi who don't have alot of accuracy (400+ accuracy pretty much nullifies the mitigation from Aura/Duelist Stance/Center Of Being).

So versus Jedi, defence is pretty useless (with the exception of chance to hit lowered). Also, armor is quite useless if you're fighting someone with Armor Break because that will reduce your armor mitigation by 65%, which will take you down to (in total) around only 10-15% mitigation from a Jedi (at best).

In comparison, a ranged player doesn't have armor break and their weapons have around 500 points between minimum and maximum damage. So a tank player (e.g a Master Defender) can mitigate around 60-70% of a ranged players damage. Firstly the defence kicks in to shave around 40% off the weapons damage stats (scaled towards the minimum) and secondly, the armor adds another 50% (ish) mitigation after this. As they are calculated seperately, the total mitigation is not a stacked value of these two and ends up being aroung 65% (on average) mitigation.

So in current game design, Jedi (particularly Master Lightsaber Jedi) are immune to tanks because of Armor Break and the low damage range on Lightsabers. The only thing a tank has against a Jedi is chance to hit bonuses. Everything else is pretty much nullified.

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No really this thing is brutal, saber armor break that is, sad to say you 2hand jedi out there need to use this wisely as it may come with future nerfs

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DeaDKennedys wrote:
why would it need to be nerfed lol normal profs have armor break also u just have to dabble to get it.... without armorbreak on jedi only do about 500 dmg max since we cannot wear armor i think it fits nicely

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Message Edited by Yukmot on 07-16-2005 05:18 PM

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iskareot wrote:

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warrenbassist wrote:

1200 damage, I even posted a screen shot of the combat log. I had food buffs, good armor, I'm a double master, and my duelest stance on throughout. The Jedi still averaged twice if not more the amount of damage I did to him. And saber throw still knocks you down, which if I remember right from pub 19 patch notes is not supposed to KD anymore. If Duelest stance gives +250 defense I wonder how much damage he would've done without it.

I'm still testing combat against sabers to see if there is a workaround, but so far its not looking like it.

Message Edited by warrenbassist on 07-14-2005 01:41 PM

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TIme out.... TIME OUT... Now listen I dont Cheat and any freaking one of you can come find this out or ask a DEV..

BUT, I can do 1200 damage in the right setting to you... so DO NOT think this is not done from a MLS with perfect sabers.. some of us do that them and that is almost exactly the damage we can do with powerstrike and armor break... or some other powers...

So that number is possible... as far as above 2k (Well I have to see that crap)... 1200 though.. Oh yes its possible.

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Farenheit wrote:

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iskareot wrote:

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warrenbassist wrote:

1200 damage, I even posted a screen shot of the combat log. I had food buffs, good armor, I'm a double master, and my duelest stance on throughout. The Jedi still averaged twice if not more the amount of damage I did to him. And saber throw still knocks you down, which if I remember right from pub 19 patch notes is not supposed to KD anymore. If Duelest stance gives +250 defense I wonder how much damage he would've done without it.

I'm still testing combat against sabers to see if there is a workaround, but so far its not looking like it.

Message Edited by warrenbassist on 07-14-2005 01:41 PM

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TIme out.... TIME OUT... Now listen I dont Cheat and any freaking one of you can come find this out or ask a DEV..

BUT, I can do 1200 damage in the right setting to you... so DO NOT think this is not done from a MLS with perfect sabers.. some of us do that them and that is almost exactly the damage we can do with powerstrike and armor break... or some other powers...

So that number is possible... as far as above 2k (Well I have to see that crap)... 1200 though.. Oh yes its possible.

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I'm MLS, and I can hit up to 1200 damage..... I dont cheat.

I have 115 -9 crystals (all awesome and rare)

I am MLS

I used an experimentation suit that took my guild alot of work to piece together (ca's)

I eat pvp foods that can boost my accuracy and thus land more hits (this is available to all of you)

Seems to me, there is whiners here that dont know the mechanics of the game... This board resembles the GCW board, you guys sure like to post the same ignorant garbage in both places dont you?

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