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Thread: Jedi, cut the crap about same faction hunting.
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kraken82
Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:05 am
#66
Kind of funny since your last post was telling me that I couldn't use books, movies or comics in my arguements... Secondly, if our entire guild is based around the RP aspect of hunting ALL Jedi, light or dark, who are you to tell me how I should RP my character?
Ahhh, i said you COULDN'T use them at all, huh? I didn't say you could use basic concepts as far as gameplay and theme? That must have not been me, then. In this case, I apologize, I could have sworn it WAS my post that said that. For one, there are so many contradictions in the books, movies, and comics that to use themto the last detail would mess this game up more than it has ever been. So you want one hit kills with a lightsaber, or lose your arms and legs in a few swipes? That may be accurate, but its bad gameplay. And you can't just look at the movies, or just the books, for you information since this game is obviously comprised of them all. You are one of those people who like to twist things around to suit you, until someone comes along to straighten them out again huh? If you are in a guild, which acts like a bunch of a**hats, then its none of my business? Sorry, this is way things work, I have an opinion about you and players like you, and I can voice (so to speak) that opinion. Who am I? Then name is in the upper left hand corner.
You say you hear of MCM/BH just standing there for 4 seconds. I call BS on that. AB, KD, head hit, leg hit, head hit... DB, enough said. That single attack with a MLS (which I would say is easily 75 - 80% of all Jedi) will annihilate anyone if the Jedi has a good saber. Because a certain template is successful against Jedi... they all of a sudden have the advantage. Yet, I constantly see posts on the Jedi forums where MLS/MDef are saying that they have not been beaten since the CU. If the MCM/MBH templates are the FOTM like everyone says... and they are supposedly killing all of these Jedi... and all of these MLS/MDef are saying they have never been beaten... someone is obviously lying. So, this entire arguement is void.
Hmm, so you call BS on something, provide a few attack abbreviations, and the matter is settled then? I can't recall the player's name, but he does do this, as a few Templated Jedi have told me kinda mad/amused,and if someone on the Kett. server knows his name, feel free to post up. And your defense is posts of people saying they've never been beat? Are you kidding? If they haven't been beat as they say, they simply haven't fought a decent BH. You call BS on something which you know nothing, that makes you just another tard. And your defense is void.
Your forum registration says you have been here for less than a year. You can tell me that you have another account and blah blah blah... what I see is what I believe. You haven't been here the whole time that BH were considered a joke profession. You weren't here when a blaster in a sword fight was laughed at. You want to make comments about Jedi should be so much more powerful, yet they take up half the population. And before you try to say that BH is the most played profession... how many Jedi do you know with BH alts? So more than 50% of the BH is a Jedi with an Alt and to be honest, they aren't BH to me and should not be counted towards the hard numbers. When jedi starts being more of a 20 to 1 ratio... then I'll agree on their supposed power level, until then you better learn to suck it up.
What, like I was trying to hide my registration date? Wow, you can post something that is in clear view to anyone who reads the thread. I actually have been playing for a full year minus a few days, I think the number yesterday was 357 (I know cuz I want my ADK). You make it sound like you hacked a top secret database to find that jewel of a fact. No, I wasn't here when BH was a joke, and CH was uber, and Jedi could wear comp armor. And your point is.....? Just because you were here before me, doesn't mean you have any special forums rights that declares you the 'winner.' Just because I wan't here, doesn't mean I'm not aware of these things, and furthurmore, you don't have to be here a full year to understand what is going on in the game and (assuming that person isn't anjacka**) to have an opinion on any of the topics to come up. Frankly, you don't have to be here 6 months depending on if you find good people to get you started, to have an accurate pulse of the game. You played the game awhile, I'm sure SOE couldn't be happier with your money, congratulations.
Umm, at which point did I say therearen't enough Jedi in the game? I'd like to know. Everyone knows there are too many Jedis, so now there are too many BHs, not because ALL or even 50% of Jedis roll BHs, but because its way way easier to hunt Jedi now. 90% have to run or cloak or pay off a BH. Its crowd control basically, too many jedi, now too many hunters to harrass Jedi.
You my friend are really reaching here. Everything is black and white to you. I have to either be the "good guy" or the "bad guy" and if I play the "bad guy", I have to be a good "bad guy". Pffft. Whatever. Nym helps the Rebellion... yet he is considered one of the most feared pirates in the Star Wars Universe... hmmm. Game theme? It's not in the game theme for BH to hunt Jedi? Don't you think that during the CU, if the devs meant to make it where we could only hunt same faction, they would have done it? Instead, they gave us that choice. If you choose to alienate a person because he hunts the same faction, then fine. I'm not telling you how to play your game. But why the hell should you tell me how to play mine???
Twisting things again. I didn't say you HAVE to be either Reb or Imperial in this game. I said you can be neutral and it IS and option. Those are the only 3 choices I believe, unless you have discovered another. So, in reality, you HAVE to be Good Guy, Bad Guy, or just Some Guy. Unless you have discovered another faction? Nym? Whoa, sweet! Nym has a faction now. That's what you are saying isn't it? Nym isn't just some name of a themepark anymore, he's leader of a new faction to join. Cool, I missed that patch, but whatever, its welcome news. I'll check into that. Yeah, he helps the rebellion, is a pirate......that sounds a lot like many members of the rebellion, who were smugglers, etc. So he has two agendas, monetary, and the rebellion. So did Talon Karrde and others. That doesn't mute a point, its not even a valid defense, unless he indiscriminantly killed rebel soldiers while fighting along side them, that is. And because it made it out of the beta, means its good and right and here to stay? Hmm? No, that weak little line has been used a thousand times and shut up a thousand times. And going on, I'm not demanding you or anyone play a certain way. You started this thread bitching, telling Jedis to shut up. Now I and others have punched holes in your post, and I'm now tellin you to shut up. This isn't some Reformation of SWG post. Its a response to inane crap you are saying. Let me let you in a little secret. This isn't going to be changed. Its going to stay this way for a long time. Why? For one, they want the Jedi harrassed and killed hoping to thin down the numbers possibly (which needs to be done, though there should be better ways). Two, even if its something the devs want to fix, it really is a minor problem compared to what they are trying to fix, so its here to stay for a good long time. Thats a fact I've already accepted. But if you think you can tell people to shut up about something that isn't right, then you are sadly mistaken.
Well, being military and working at NAS Oceana in Virginia Beach, I see plenty of "cops" on base. And yes, they are actual city cops that work for the state, contracted by federal government to police our base. And guess what? They arrest Marines, Sailors, etc. Then there are US Marshals... need I go on? If you are a MBH, then you have read the mission descriptions that we get when we get a bounty. More often than not, the Jedi is a murderer of some farmers daughter and blah blah blah. In a RP sense, they commit a crime and I am their judge, jury and executioner. If the game mechanics allowed us to turn them in instead of killing, then there would be times for that... but since all we can do is kill them, then that is what I will do.
Hmm, and I guess that even though I have a Bachelor of Science in Criminal Justice, and am either going to start a master's program, or go into the academy the next open time, I still don't know about police agencies or military forces. I am very close with many cops in my area, a few chiefs, and plenty of military personel, as most of them are ex-military. Not to mention that I have had 5 marines in my family, 1 air force, and 1 Navy (don't know why). SO I wouldn't have the slightest idea about FBI, US Marshalls, Texas Rangers, Highway Patrol, IA, nope, none at all. Yeah, you have a good line on things pal.For one, most military stations have MPs, marines, army, airforce,etc. This really doesn't matter since this has nothing to do with the discussion AT ALL. I don't know your point for bringing this up, but if a soldier shot at a friendly soldier in WAR time, that is treason. And yeah, we kill for that. Yeah, RL military probably feeds its soldiers misinformation sure. I agree with that. But the Rebels are desperate, ragtag, and are in need of allies at this time. They don't have the time, or even the want of misinforming their own people. Why would they? The truth about the empire is all they need to fight. There aren't gonna be Rebel BH terms saying lies, in order to kill their own forces.For RPs sake, you DO know these planets were all Imperial held, which means that they would have imp BH terminals left. You really think a Rebel would read an imp terminal filled with OBVIOUS lies and go try to kill someone? The whole point of being rebel is that you have seen through imperial lies and want to fight the empire. If you really wanted to get technical, in the time period rebels would not have even employed BHs at all for the trade they do, but hired them to do black ops recon, or line soldiers. So according to your RP sense, Bhs should only be Imperial at this time. If this were so, it would A: piss off Rebel BHs, and B: require that a strictly Rebel prof come into play. So both sides have the ability to go BH.
That's it, I have said all I have to say about this nonesense, no more post here for me, its stupid and cheap, but it will be done anyway. To the poster, you kill your own people, and whine that they get upset. Shut up. You have what you want, you can kill a Jedi alone. On any side. That would have been the most rediculous statement ever 7 or 8 months ago. Now its a reality. You have it good, now shut up. Feel free to post some sort of quoting response that tards like you seem to love doing, thinking it gives you an edge or something. I wont be listening.
To everyone else, Good Hunting.
JadenKatrell
Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:43 am
#67
Quote from ShaikeRamjet
One last thing...I challenge anyone to prove the Emperor wanted and utilized Dark Jedi other then Vader in this current time line. And FS is not the same as Jedi so MaraDOES NOTcount. Provide exerpt and title of Book, Comic or whatever that is officially licensed by LucasFilm.
My sources is The Star Wars Role Playing Game Dark Side Source Book
First example fo proff that the Emperor used Dark Jedi
High Inquisitor Trymayne: A former Jedi Knight, now tasked by Vader and Palpatine to hunt down and destroy Jedi if they can not be turned and or useful to the Emperor.
Second Example is Jerec from Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight
Jerec, Dark Jedi Master: Another former Jedi Knight, Jerec was turned tot he dark side by High Inquisitor Trymayne, before being turned Jerec was tasked with finding rare artifacts, when he returend after the end of the Clone Wars he was stunded to find the Empire had replaced the Republic, hunted down by Trymayne, Jerec and the Jedi with him where captured and turned to the Dark Side. Jerec immediatly offerd hi sservices to the Emperor. Jerec was used to turn some Jedi to the Dark side, soon he had a Cadre of 6 dark Jedi. The Emperor charged Jerec with the same task as the Jedi Order had, locate Jedi and Sith Artifacts, and bring them back to the Imperial Center.
Third Example is an NPC in the Emperors Retreat, Lord Hethrir
Lord Hethrir was the Emperor's Procurator of Justice, charged with carrying out death sentences imposed by the Emperor on individuals, or even entire worlds. Personally trained as a Dark Jedi by Darth Vader.
This sources is licenced by LucasArts and thus can be held as fact in the EU and SWG.
The First 2 example are paraprased but the 3rd is a direct quote from the DSSB
GeekOne out!
Message Edited by JadenKatrell on 09-15-2005 07:51 AM
DarkStarRa
Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:16 am
#69
I kind of agree... Well, If you are guilded and your guild is one of the many who has agreed to not BH within faction I don't think you should. If you are just in a faction and a BH i don't see a problem with doing what you want. You are more like a rogue contractor at that point anyway only going on duty when you want.. But if you are guilded and you do take place in the PVP battles and the Civil War i don't think you should BH your own faction
SioBabble
Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:27 am
#70
lunatin wrote:
Your missing the point there buddy...the Book go some 20 years forwards and backs bases around the timeline of the orgnial 6 movies....Who do u think Exar Kun was he was the sith leader the jedi killed and all his sith....That is when the force became out of balance....The jedi killed them selfs in the long run...Your still tring to get some to show u a empiral jedi that lived on when the emperor was alive that used the force..There arnt any becouse the emperor was such a chicken that he did not let any be around...A true Sith leader would have made a army of all dark jedi much like in the books lol...A sith leader as the emperor is not unstopable...A army trained by him would be...That is why the emperor failed...
No, not true (the bolded part)
The problem with the Sith was that because the pursuit of power is the be all and end all of their existence, that any Sith regime is inherently unstable. Throw more Sith into the mix, the more unstable it becomes.
This is why Yoda says to Mace Windu, "Always two there are. No more, no less. A master and an apprentice." Because beyond that diffuses the power and creates a much more unstable situation. And the master ALWAYS has to look out for the apprentice, because that's how the master got to be the master; by destroying HIS master. Palpatine is no fool; Maul was merely a tool to him, and Dooku was disposed of as soon as he sensed Anakin was due to turn to the Dark Side. Then of course later on, in Ep V, we see Vader planning HIS disposal of his master in his discussion with Luke.
An army of Force wielding Sith would invariably, once the light side was seemingly defeated, plunge into backstabbing and attempts to overthrow whoever was the top dog. Again, Palpatine was no fool about the Dark Side, he knew that the "quick and easy path" could very well create pretenders to his position and he was always careful to use those pretenders just long enough to get the most use out of them before having their successor as his apprentice dispose of them. Palpatine DID have his own intentions which he thought to be right: to bring order to the galaxy, he expresses those in Episode I and Vader reflects that goal in Episode V.
The Jedi Code reflects this as well; it's impossible for a Jedi to have more than one apprentice, as Mace Windu says, the Code forbids it. Mulitple apprentices leads to unsupervised padawans, and they MUST be monitored in their progression at all time lest they be seduced by the Dark Side.
KammaRocca
Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:11 am
#71
Why would I want someone helping meif they hold grudges and cry to guild leaders anyway?
PhantomFF
Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:22 am
#72
/shrug
I've never whined about BH's hunting same faction... I'll just make sure they never receive help from anyone I know in that faction ever...
Whining never accomplished anything, action does
and as a side note, I think it'll start to even out a bit more when BH's can hunt more than just jedi.
Neekocha
Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:25 am
#73
ShaikeRamjet wrote:
Too many times have I seen a Jedi post whining about a Rebel BH hunting their Rebel Jedi or Imperial BH hunting their Imperial Jedi. Too many times have I received /tells stating I have no honor and blah blah blah about me hunting the same faction. Jedi feel like the solution is to go neutral. Have you ever gone neutral and tried to PvP? Have you ever gone neutral and tried to be a part of the GCW? They want us to throw away all other content in the game in order to be able to hunt them. They say that we throw role-playing out the door.
The Emperor ordered the slaughter of every single Jedi save Anakin as we seen in Episode 3. Why do you ask? Simple. Dark Jedi are based on the pursuit of power. Another Dark Jedi would eventually pose a threat to the Emperor and eventually challenge his reign as supreme ruler of the Empire. Even Vader in Episode 5 tried to petition his son to join him... “Luke. You can destroy the Emperor. He has foreseen this. It is your destiny. Join me, and we can rule the galaxy as father and son. Come with me. It's the only way.”
The Emperor for saw this event roughly in between Episode 4 and 5. He realized that Luke would be a powerful Jedi and could possibly prove to be more powerful then Vader. The final confrontation in Episode 6 was a test. The Emperor pitted father and son against each other for the sole purpose of finding which one was the strongest. He never had any intention of having both Vader and Luke by his side.
It is true that the Emperor had many Force Sensitive people working for him... the Imperial Guard, Mara Jade as well as other "Emperor's Hands".However, he would never tolerate another Jedi within the Empire because he would see it as a threat to his reign of the galaxy.If he did allow it, possiblyone other to see if he could best Luke or Vader but not 100-400 or however many Imperial Jedi there are. This is SOE's fault but then again the game did say: "Its time to live the greatest Saga ever told.... Yours."
Any Imperials who harbored or aided a Jedi would be deemed traitors and would be dealt with harshly. Numerous fans of the movies that I know, and who don't play this game, laugh at the absurd notion that Jedi are allowed to go Imperial. The only ones who try and defend this are those Imperials who are Jedi or fanbois of the Jedi.
Many of us are high rankingRebels or Imperialsand have worked hard to garner the benefits that this work bestows on us. We refuse at this moment in time to toss aside our hard work to make our detractors happy. Hopefully, the Devs will give us a third faction one day. I know that I, for one, like Role-Playing that I am hired by the Empire to eliminate any and all Jedi. That ismy stance on the matter. If you don't like it, I'm sorry, butget over it.
One last thing...I challenge anyone to prove the Emperor wanted and utilized Dark Jedi other then Vader in this current time line. And FS is not the same as Jedi so MaraDOES NOTcount. Provide exerpt and title of Book, Comic or whatever that is officially licensed by LucasFilm.
EDIT: This is for all of the dumb asses that keep making a comment about me being Rebel and grieving... I AM AN IMPERIAL!!! IT IS IN MY DAMN SIG!!!! MY GUILD IS AN IMPERIAL BOUNTY HUNTER GUILD.
Message Edited by ShaikeRamjet on 09-13-2005 09:51 PM
Message Edited by ShaikeRamjet on 09-14-2005 01:54 PM
I totally agree.
However, since your post is addressed to Jedi, you should post it in the Jedi forum. I'm sure the flames would be awesome. You could get things like this one I had in game a few days ago, after killing an Imperial Jedi (I'm Imperial too) : "starwars is all about rebs vs imps you and your **Mod Bot - Be Nice** guild is ruining that" - Ukadia, Jedi, Europe-Chimaera. How does that sound? Isn't that funny?
Message Edited by Neekocha on 09-15-2005 08:27 PM
KammaRocca
Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:40 am
#74
Neekocha wrote:
I totally agree.
However, since your post is addressed to Jedi, you should post it in the Jedi forum. I'm sure the flames would be awesome. You could get things like this one I had in game a few days ago, after killing an Imperial Jedi (I'm Imperial too) : "starwars is all about rebs vs imps you and your **Mod Bot - Be Nice** guild is ruining that" - Ukadia, Jedi, Europe-Chimaera. How does that sound? Isn't that funny?
Message Edited by Neekocha on 09-15-2005 08:27 PM
/r You can't talk. I just killed you.
Naakita
Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:57 am
#75
This is my second jedi and still feel the same way.....true to the timeline all jedis are to be hunted, including myself. Having Imp. jedi is somewhat funny to me as they should have as much to fear from the empire as I <being a rebel jedi> It would be nice <dreaming again> to have jedi factionless and either light / dark, but this is the system we have to work in and whining about he did this or this same faction person did that is just pointless and rather silly to me. Just play the game, if you no longer enjoyit.........move on and quit wasting your money.
Tracce
Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:41 pm
#76
What it realy comes down to is this: If you hunt Jedi of your own faction, you are burning bridges that you may need to cross in the future. Like it or not, Jedi are very usefull in many situations. An example of this could be the DWB. BH want their Mando armor, and many ask Jedi to assist them. Do you honestly expect somone that has been hunted by you to assist you in getting into the DWB? Heck, I would be hard pressed to assist a BH of my own faction on any quest, much less those that hunt me all the time.
By killing Jedi of your faction, you are realy only hurting your own faction. I don't know about your servers, but on Ahazi, many guilds will boot BH that kill same faction Jedi.
Ekwalizer
Fri Sep 16, 2005 12:42 am
#77
AD_Maj wrote:
Yep. Thats the point im trying to make. Jedi are not animals lol. They dont forgive and forget ( at least most of them. ) If you hunt them imperial, kill them imperial and they are an imperial, I bet you anything they will remember that. If that jedi says " XXX BH hunts imperial jedi " then the imperial jedi, are not gonna trust you, therefore you will not get invited to GCW groups, grinding groups, or group activites, because of the fact, they think you MIGHT have their mission.
I am Imperial. I hunt both factions. As a general rule of thumb, I do not party at all with Jedi.
Why should we have to associate with them just to do GCW or Avatar / DWB? That's a load of junk if you ask me.
If they want to be Jedi, that's their business, butwe shouldn't have to associate with them, or ... leech ... off of them to enjoy end-game content.
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