Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Jedi, cut the crap about same faction hunting.
kraken82
Wed Sep 14, 2005 7:31 am
#53
Umm, I'm not going to read the full 3 pages on this, so if someone has said what I'm about to say, my apologies.
First, Isaw a lot of reference to the movies and books on pg 1 (sidenote: you should read the movies and books, because this game is comprised of both). If someone is going to use these to say there were no Imperial Jedi, then they should re-read things. There was a Dark Jedi Master guarding the clone cylinders for the Emperor on the planet Wayland.The one JoruusS'Baoth (spelling?) killed. It was brought up in the book Heirs of the Empire, by Timothy Zhan. That is from one of the most popular novel series. And as was stated, there were many force sensitive running around. How many on the light side? Umm, very few (there were more than Luke and Leia). There are more examples, but I'm just mentioning the first off the top of my head. For the record, the number of Jedi in this game compared to the number in movies, etc is irrelevant to the current discussion.
Second, you really can't relate the book, movies, and comics ENTIRELY to this game. The relation needs to stop somewhere. But I think people are forgetting a VERY basic concept that the SW Universe is based on. GOOD VS EVIL! Yes, the game can't be EXACTLY like the movies, but it should be common sense that foundational basic concepts of SW are a part of this game. For instance, I want to play with the good guys. Guess which faction you go to. I want to play with the bad guys. Now you're a stormie. So, sorry, but when you pick a faction, that is saying that these are the guys I want to roll with. This is my team. It doesn't matter if your loyalties are only to your guild. You picked a side in a war. You know what would happen if a Stormtrooper went over and shot Vader in the chest?I'm sure it would be long and painful. Since we're playing "good guys vs bad guys," its rediculous to say that Rebel bounty hunters attack Rebel jedi, and Imp BHs attack Imp Jedi. It violates a basic concept this game is based upon. So whether you RP or not, and whether you think the game is like the movies or not,you cannot escape the fact that the light is fighting the dark. Good vs bad. Reb vs Imp. Reb Bhs want to kill Rebs, then participate in the GCW? Doesn't anyone see an inherent problem in that?
Third, if you are a BH, and I say this because my alt is MBH, and you want to hunt EVERYONE, don't pick a faction. It IS an option in the game. Want a faction? Want the perks with it, want rank, bases, etc? Ok, pick a SIDE in the war. Picking a side is acquiring enemies as well as ALLIES. Still want the option to betray your side and hunt same faction Jedi? Ok. Then as soon as the first shot is fired, you should be either stripped of your rank completely, or automatically declared neutral (with a cooldown, so you can't just go pick your faction again). BHs are mercenaries? Ok, as soon as a BHfires on asame faction Jedi, he becomes perma-overt to that side for a week. That's what an army would do to a mercenary turned traitor.
I personally think that BHs who attack same side Jedis are cheap players. A jedi seeing a purple dot coming at em usually doesn't think much of it, unless they have been same-faction hunted by one before, or are just very wary. You see a blue dot coming, you hop on the bike and book it. Or cloak. Or whatever. That's a big, cheap advantage, which is why people are defending it. Some people choose BH, because of the look, the hunt, the style of gameplay, the skill involved in hunting templated jedi. Other choose it because they enjoy being cheap. Why do you think there were so many CMs? They want the ability toattack both sides with no consequences.They want jedis to carry flashlights and reflective clothing, while being on a permanent downer from spice, with no defensive capabilities, and the LS skills of a preschooler. They want an "I WIN" button. They want the Uber Nerf, so jedi wont be special anymore (isn't a jedi supposed to be special and uber? For 6 or 7 months of work, it better be). It doesn't take long reading these threads to pick out the quality BHs, who are skilled and take pride in what they do, and the kids who got shook upside down for their lunch money at school, and want to get back at people by beinga tard on their computer.
SoulHunters
Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:39 am
#54
Agreed, I'm not some respec BH, I've been one since I started this damned game at the beginning of the year, but whatI have come to realize is that most BH's are using roleplaying as an excuse for hunting same faction when its actually more about griefing any Jedi anywhere to cause them exp loss. Well you know what, you have every right to play the game and roleplay the way you see fit, but that stops at your neighbor's front door.
You whine that going neutral would take you out of the GCW, well if you cared so much about the GCW why would you try to hurt toons that are on the same damned side as you that could be fighting alongside you later on? All I see is the griefing element found in every mmo packed into one profession. Then I hear, well the empire decreed that all Jedi will be killed. Ok, **Mod Bot - Be Nice** are you rebelBH's listening to the emperor? And Imperial BHs, you honestly think that the Emperor would kill off Jedi loyal to him, well at least not until he's got his fair use out of them.
What most of these jackasses can't get past is the fact that this is NOT the movie, this is a game. Guess what, you aren't really a bounty hunter! Guess what, you aren't really a Jedi! You want this game played realistic like in the movies? Take off your radar, take off your armor since you wont be taking 50 hits to the head from a sabre or a blaster in the movie, and in the movies how many BH's were actually able to killa Jedi Master? Hardly any if im not mistaken, so to most of you other BH's out there, just keel over dead with only 1-2 bh's out of the server surviving a Jedi mark just like the movies.
Ok personally, I wish they had never allowed Jedi on the game, I believe they have ruined the GCW, there is just too damned many of the bastards out there. Thereare too many of these zit-faced 19 year old virgin kiddies that go Jedi to be uber and kill everyone in pvp to boost their own ego, but this is a mistake of SOE's alone as they should have known what would happen.Now we dont have bh missions as content, but rather a punitive means of harassing the jedi across the board. I can kill pretty much any Jedi I want, bu i'll be damned if I Iower myself to the level of most of Jedi out there on the whim of "I'm just rp'ing." Therefore cease with the "well in the movie" excuses, and have more honor than a majority of the Jedi out there, considering the bounty hunter profession itself isn't even in accordance with the movie.
Message Edited by SoulHunters on 09-14-2005 11:43 AM
bootface
Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:42 am
#55
You'll never be in the right hunting a jedi, theres so many and the majority of them are about 13 years old.
NoviceRangerFlurry
Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:27 am
#56
ShaikeRamjet wrote:
Too many times have I seen a Jedi post whining about a Rebel BH hunting their Rebel Jedi or Imperial BH hunting their Imperial Jedi. Too many times have I received /tells stating I have no honor and blah blah blah about me hunting the same faction. Jedi feel like the solution is to go neutral. Have you ever gone neutral and tried to PvP? Have you ever gone neutral and tried to be a part of the GCW? They want us to throw away all other content in the game in order to be able to hunt them. They say that we throw role-playing out the door.
The Emperor ordered the slaughter of every single Jedi save Anakin as we seen in Episode 3. Why do you ask? Simple. Dark Jedi are based on the pursuit of power. Another Dark Jedi would eventually pose a threat to the Emperor and eventually challenge his reign as supreme ruler of the Empire. Even Vader in Episode 5 tried to petition his son to join him... “Luke. You can destroy the Emperor. He has foreseen this. It is your destiny. Join me, and we can rule the galaxy as father and son. Come with me. It's the only way.”
The Emperor for saw this event roughly in between Episode 4 and 5. He realized that Luke would be a powerful Jedi and could possibly prove to be more powerful then Vader. The final confrontation in Episode 6 was a test. The Emperor pitted father and son against each other for the sole purpose of finding which one was the strongest. He never had any intention of having both Vader and Luke by his side.
It is true that the Emperor had many Force Sensitive people working for him... the Imperial Guard, Mara Jade as well as other "Emperor's Hands".However, he would never tolerate another Jedi within the Empire because he would see it as a threat to his reign of the galaxy.If he did allow it, possiblyone other to see if he could best Luke or Vader but not 100-400 or however many Imperial Jedi there are. This is SOE's fault but then again the game did say: "Its time to live the greatest Saga ever told.... Yours."
Any Imperials who harbored or aided a Jedi would be deemed traitors and would be dealt with harshly. Numerous fans of the movies that I know, and who don't play this game, laugh at the absurd notion that Jedi are allowed to go Imperial. The only ones who try and defend this are those Imperials who are Jedi or fanbois of the Jedi.
Many of us are high rankingRebels or Imperialsand have worked hard to garner the benefits that this work bestows on us. We refuse at this moment in time to toss aside our hard work to make our detractors happy. Hopefully, the Devs will give us a third faction one day. I know that I, for one, like Role-Playing that I am hired by the Empire to eliminate any and all Jedi. That ismy stance on the matter. If you don't like it, I'm sorry, butget over it.
One last thing...I challenge anyone to prove the Emperor wanted and utilized Dark Jedi other then Vader in this current time line. And FS is not the same as Jedi so MaraDOES NOTcount. Provide exerpt and title of Book, Comic or whatever that is officially licensed by LucasFilm.
Message Edited by ShaikeRamjet on 09-13-2005 09:51 PM
If your a rebel you don't like the Empire and would not hunt Rebel Jedi, as you are fighting the Empire yourself and would not seek to even the odds. You go on about roleplay and yet you don't want to roleplay. If you didact out the role of a Rebelyou'd take all the Emperor said with a pintch of salt!
ShaikeRamjet
Wed Sep 14, 2005 11:07 am
#57
I am so tired of it being called grieving. I have been a BH since August '03... as a matter of fact if you do a message search, my first post on these boards was August 01, 2003. Player bounties had been wanted for so long by so many people. After the introduction of Jedi into this game, player bounties on Jedi were soon to follow.
Jedi couldn't handle being attacked in groups. Fine, that has been fixed. Jedi couldn't handle being attacked by multiple BH with their mission... well that has been fixed. Jedi won't stop until they get another reduction in BH hunting them by trying to get same faction eliminated.
There are other things in this game beside Jedi that I like to do that I wouldn't be able to do if I were neutral. I like flying my TIE fighters. I like being called to help in slicing BH terminals in faction bases. My guild has been around since Jedi were able to be hunted. They have a reputation on my server and no one shuns us because we hunt all Jedi. It is expected of us on my server.
Sure, we are banned from most player cities. But that is expected of a good BH anyways, right? It isn't personal. I don't hunt to grief people. The fact that it is allowed by game mechanics should tell you that it isn't grieving. The Devs put the ability to see the faction of the Jedi... but they left it up to us to make the choice.
Seriously... The game mechanics only allow us to kill our marks, not capture. We are in a way, law enforcement. Are you trying to tell me that in the US Navy, US Army, or whatever branch... if you commit a crime your "same faction" isn't going to come for you? You are sadly mistaken.
Message Edited by ShaikeRamjet on 09-14-2005 02:09 PM
NoviceRangerFlurry
Wed Sep 14, 2005 8:09 pm
#58
ShaikeRamjet wrote:
NoviceRangerFlurry wrote:
ShaikeRamjet wrote:
Too many times have I seen a Jedi post whining about a Rebel BH hunting their Rebel Jedi or Imperial BH hunting their Imperial Jedi. Too many times have I received /tells stating I have no honor and blah blah blah about me hunting the same faction. Jedi feel like the solution is to go neutral. Have you ever gone neutral and tried to PvP? Have you ever gone neutral and tried to be a part of the GCW? They want us to throw away all other content in the game in order to be able to hunt them. They say that we throw role-playing out the door.
The Emperor ordered the slaughter of every single Jedi save Anakin as we seen in Episode 3. Why do you ask? Simple. Dark Jedi are based on the pursuit of power. Another Dark Jedi would eventually pose a threat to the Emperor and eventually challenge his reign as supreme ruler of the Empire. Even Vader in Episode 5 tried to petition his son to join him... “Luke. You can destroy the Emperor. He has foreseen this. It is your destiny. Join me, and we can rule the galaxy as father and son. Come with me. It's the only way.”
The Emperor for saw this event roughly in between Episode 4 and 5. He realized that Luke would be a powerful Jedi and could possibly prove to be more powerful then Vader. The final confrontation in Episode 6 was a test. The Emperor pitted father and son against each other for the sole purpose of finding which one was the strongest. He never had any intention of having both Vader and Luke by his side.
It is true that the Emperor had many Force Sensitive people working for him... the Imperial Guard, Mara Jade as well as other "Emperor's Hands".However, he would never tolerate another Jedi within the Empire because he would see it as a threat to his reign of the galaxy.If he did allow it, possiblyone other to see if he could best Luke or Vader but not 100-400 or however many Imperial Jedi there are. This is SOE's fault but then again the game did say: "Its time to live the greatest Saga ever told.... Yours."
Any Imperials who harbored or aided a Jedi would be deemed traitors and would be dealt with harshly. Numerous fans of the movies that I know, and who don't play this game, laugh at the absurd notion that Jedi are allowed to go Imperial. The only ones who try and defend this are those Imperials who are Jedi or fanbois of the Jedi.
Many of us are high rankingRebels or Imperialsand have worked hard to garner the benefits that this work bestows on us. We refuse at this moment in time to toss aside our hard work to make our detractors happy. Hopefully, the Devs will give us a third faction one day. I know that I, for one, like Role-Playing that I am hired by the Empire to eliminate any and all Jedi. That ismy stance on the matter. If you don't like it, I'm sorry, butget over it.
One last thing...I challenge anyone to prove the Emperor wanted and utilized Dark Jedi other then Vader in this current time line. And FS is not the same as Jedi so MaraDOES NOTcount. Provide exerpt and title of Book, Comic or whatever that is officially licensed by LucasFilm.
Message Edited by ShaikeRamjet on 09-13-2005 09:51 PM
If your a rebel you don't like the Empire and would not hunt Rebel Jedi, as you are fighting the Empire yourself and would not seek to even the odds. You go on about roleplay and yet you don't want to roleplay. If you didact out the role of a Rebelyou'd take all the Emperor said with a pintch of salt!
Let me ask you a question... what faction am I? Seriously. I have stated it in more than 1 post in this thread AND it is in my sig. What faction am I? There is a special edit on my original post just for you.
I said if and not that you were a rebel read the post!
kraken82
Wed Sep 14, 2005 11:45 pm
#59
First of all, I never said its grieving. Its not grieving. Its a part of the game. And hey, since its a part of the game, that justifies it, makes it right......right? Oh wait, we actually play a game where there are almost constant updates to change things to fix the way its played. But, they're game mechanics, why are they being changed? Anyways, as to grieving, i define it personally as the ludeness that occurs either before or after a fight. The following/harrassing, the spitting, the slapping, the emotes and mess people talk. THATs grieving to me. And for the love of god, no one cares that Dark Jedi are allpowerful and constantly betray each other. They are banded together most of the time, and kill to move up in rank. The strong survive mentality. BHs are not sent to handle Dark Jedi matters. Vader sent Boba Fett to get smugglers, not a Jedi. He probably thought about it for second, then said, "Nah, you'll get your helmet handed to ya. I better take this one."
Next. OK, Jedi want BH nerfed? They have obviously had ALL the breaks in the world, and are just so impossible to beat. But wait........I've heard of MCM/MBHs just sitting there for the first 4 turns, and then whooping up on Jedi. Jedi are now what? Full Template 1.5 a normal character now (i'm not sure if thats single or double mastery). Jedi have been nerfed plenty of times, used to be they had to be outnumbered, now they can be beat by one player, and you are saying that they want to strip the advantage from BH? Hate to break this to ya chief, but BHs have the advantage now.
As to groups hunting Jedi, you know what the problem Jedi had with that? Bhs can get into groups to attack1 Jedi, but multiple Jedi can't get into groups to defend. Can anyone picture a Light Side Jedi being overwhelmingly attacked by BHs, and his GOOD buddies, watching from the side, saying "Man, you are screwed.....well, see ya later"? And yes, Jedi are way too overpopulated. And all this nerf stuff isn't because the devs love BH so so much. It isn't because they think BH is inderpowered. They wanted to balance the influx of Jedi by reducing their power and allowing hunting to be more rampant. But the number of Jedi isn't the topic, same faction killsare.
You want a sword, but you dont want the enemies to have a shield. Its easier that way isn't it? So there ARE things you like to do involving factions huh? Well, do them, by all means. But in picking a side and betraying it, you should be punished. Not permanantly, but enought to where you feel it. You've been around since 03? Well good for you. You deserve a badge. But just long time gameplay doesn't make your word or opinion any higher or more sound than anyone elses. Your guild has a reputation for hunting all jedi and no one minds? Kinda doubt it man. Just because no one says something to you, doesn't mean it isn't being said. That is unless you can account for every Jedi's personal opinionon your server, in which case I retract my previous statement and in light of your newfound powers, I would like my fortune read, please. And this week's lotto numbers while we're at it.
Your guild has a reputation for hunting all factions, yet still declaring yourselves a particular faction? If you want to keep to a tightly knit group of people, who like to attack all sides, yet use their faction to attack theirgalactic enemyand have no concept of game theme, then create a clan and play Battlefield 2. Move along, this isn't the game you are looking for.
And lastly, umm.......law enforcement? You are kidding right? There are storm troopers, corsec, and alliance guys running all over the place, for one. Saying BHs are policing same faction Jedi is like saying a cop can and should be able to shoot a marine. Why? Because he can. Also, why would Jedi need cops after them? Did they just rob a bank (all duped credits aside)? Stole some gas maybe? No, I know, they were selling spice to kids.....right? Oh wait, no thats not right. Imp Jedi being killed by Reb BHs, that not policing, thats war. But hey, I can see the comparison. Vice-Versa. But, no police department ever declared war on the most effective fighters in the country because they wanted money. If a Jedi account has broke "laws" then the devs will deal with that. They are the POLICE. They ban the accounts. Game mechanics, its part of the game, waah waah. Well technically, duped credits were part of the game for a while. Tons of stuff has been part of this game. Doesn't make it right by any means.
I had more to say, but its late, I'm tired of this topic and typing for that matter. Going to bed.
Message Edited by kraken82 on 09-15-2005 01:47 AM
ShaikeRamjet
Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:33 am
#60
kraken82 wrote:
First of all, I never said its grieving. Its not grieving. Its a part of the game. And hey, since its a part of the game, that justifies it, makes it right......right? Oh wait, we actually play a game where there are almost constant updates to change things to fix the way its played. But, they're game mechanics, why are they being changed? Anyways, as to grieving, i define it personally as the ludeness that occurs either before or after a fight. The following/harrassing, the spitting, the slapping, the emotes and mess people talk. THATs grieving to me. And for the love of god, no one cares that Dark Jedi are allpowerful and constantly betray each other. They are banded together most of the time, and kill to move up in rank. The strong survive mentality. BHs are not sent to handle Dark Jedi matters. Vader sent Boba Fett to get smugglers, not a Jedi. He probably thought about it for second, then said, "Nah, you'll get your helmet handed to ya. I better take this one." Kind of funny since your last post was telling me that I couldn't use books, movies or comics in my arguements... Secondly, if our entire guild is based around the RP aspect of hunting ALL Jedi, light or dark, who are you to tell me how I should RP my character?
Next. OK, Jedi want BH nerfed? They have obviously had ALL the breaks in the world, and are just so impossible to beat. But wait........I've heard of MCM/MBHs just sitting there for the first 4 turns, and then whooping up on Jedi. Jedi are now what? Full Template 1.5 a normal character now (i'm not sure if thats single or double mastery). Jedi have been nerfed plenty of times, used to be they had to be outnumbered, now they can be beat by one player, and you are saying that they want to strip the advantage from BH? Hate to break this to ya chief, but BHs have the advantage now.
As to groups hunting Jedi, you know what the problem Jedi had with that? Bhs can get into groups to attack1 Jedi, but multiple Jedi can't get into groups to defend. Can anyone picture a Light Side Jedi being overwhelmingly attacked by BHs, and his GOOD buddies, watching from the side, saying "Man, you are screwed.....well, see ya later"? And yes, Jedi are way too overpopulated. And all this nerf stuff isn't because the devs love BH so so much. It isn't because they think BH is inderpowered. They wanted to balance the influx of Jedi by reducing their power and allowing hunting to be more rampant. But the number of Jedi isn't the topic, same faction killsare. You say you hear of MCM/BH just standing there for 4 seconds. I call BS on that. AB, KD, head hit, leg hit, head hit... DB, enough said. That single attack with a MLS (which I would say is easily 75 - 80% of all Jedi) will annihilate anyone if the Jedi has a good saber. Because a certain template is successful against Jedi... they all of a sudden have the advantage. Yet, I constantly see posts on the Jedi forums where MLS/MDef are saying that they have not been beaten since the CU. If the MCM/MBH templates are the FOTM like everyone says... and they are supposedly killing all of these Jedi... and all of these MLS/MDef are saying they have never been beaten... someone is obviously lying. So, this entire arguement is void.
You want a sword, but you dont want the enemies to have a shield. Its easier that way isn't it? So there ARE things you like to do involving factions huh? Well, do them, by all means. But in picking a side and betraying it, you should be punished. Not permanantly, but enought to where you feel it. You've been around since 03? Well good for you. You deserve a badge. But just long time gameplay doesn't make your word or opinion any higher or more sound than anyone elses. Your guild has a reputation for hunting all jedi and no one minds? Kinda doubt it man. Just because no one says something to you, doesn't mean it isn't being said. That is unless you can account for every Jedi's personal opinionon your server, in which case I retract my previous statement and in light of your newfound powers, I would like my fortune read, please. And this week's lotto numbers while we're at it. Your forum registration says you have been here for less than a year. You can tell me that you have another account and blah blah blah... what I see is what I believe. You haven't been here the whole time that BH were considered a joke profession. You weren't here when a blaster in a sword fight was laughed at. You want to make comments about Jedi should be so much more powerful, yet they take up half the population. And before you try to say that BH is the most played profession... how many Jedi do you know with BH alts? So more than 50% of the BH is a Jedi with an Alt and to be honest, they aren't BH to me and should not be counted towards the hard numbers. When jedi starts being more of a 20 to 1 ratio... then I'll agree on their supposed power level, until then you better learn to suck it up.
Your guild has a reputation for hunting all factions, yet still declaring yourselves a particular faction? If you want to keep to a tightly knit group of people, who like to attack all sides, yet use their faction to attack theirgalactic enemyand have no concept of game theme, then create a clan and play Battlefield 2. Move along, this isn't the game you are looking for. You my friend are really reaching here. Everything is black and white to you. I have to either be the "good guy" or the "bad guy" and if I play the "bad guy", I have to be a good "bad guy". Pffft. Whatever. Nym helps the Rebellion... yet he is considered one of the most feared pirates in the Star Wars Universe... hmmm. Game theme? It's not in the game theme for BH to hunt Jedi? Don't you think that during the CU, if the devs meant to make it where we could only hunt same faction, they would have done it? Instead, they gave us that choice. If you choose to alienate a person because he hunts the same faction, then fine. I'm not telling you how to play your game. But why the hell should you tell me how to play mine???
And lastly, umm.......law enforcement? You are kidding right? There are storm troopers, corsec, and alliance guys running all over the place, for one. Saying BHs are policing same faction Jedi is like saying a cop can and should be able to shoot a marine. Why? Because he can. Also, why would Jedi need cops after them? Did they just rob a bank (all duped credits aside)? Stole some gas maybe? No, I know, they were selling spice to kids.....right? Oh wait, no thats not right. Imp Jedi being killed by Reb BHs, that not policing, thats war. But hey, I can see the comparison. Vice-Versa. But, no police department ever declared war on the most effective fighters in the country because they wanted money. If a Jedi account has broke "laws" then the devs will deal with that. They are the POLICE. They ban the accounts. Game mechanics, its part of the game, waah waah. Well technically, duped credits were part of the game for a while. Tons of stuff has been part of this game. Doesn't make it right by any means. Well, being military and working at NAS Oceana in Virginia Beach, I see plenty of "cops" on base. And yes, they are actual city cops that work for the state, contracted by federal government to police our base. And guess what? They arrest Marines, Sailors, etc. Then there are US Marshals... need I go on? If you are a MBH, then you have read the mission descriptions that we get when we get a bounty. More often than not, the Jedi is a murderer of some farmers daughter and blah blah blah. In a RP sense, they commit a crime and I am their judge, jury and executioner. If the game mechanics allowed us to turn them in instead of killing, then there would be times for that... but since all we can do is kill them, then that is what I will do.
I had more to say, but its late, I'm tired of this topic and typing for that matter. Going to bed.
Message Edited by kraken82 on 09-15-2005 01:47 AM
HeadRoll
Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:10 am
#61
kismetg33k wrote:
I'd also like to say that Jedi seem very faction loyal when they get a same faction BH on them, but if they need to get together for a grinding spin group... they don't seem to care about faction at all.
QFE
Twilekku
Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:10 am
#62
ShaikeRamjet wrote:
NoviceRangerFlurry wrote:
ShaikeRamjet wrote:
Too many times have I seen a Jedi post whining about a Rebel BH hunting their Rebel Jedi or Imperial BH hunting their Imperial Jedi. Too many times have I received /tells stating I have no honor and blah blah blah about me hunting the same faction. Jedi feel like the solution is to go neutral. Have you ever gone neutral and tried to PvP? Have you ever gone neutral and tried to be a part of the GCW? They want us to throw away all other content in the game in order to be able to hunt them. They say that we throw role-playing out the door.The Emperor ordered the slaughter of every single Jedi save Anakin as we seen in Episode 3. Why do you ask? Simple. Dark Jedi are based on the pursuit of power. Another Dark Jedi would eventually pose a threat to the Emperor and eventually challenge his reign as supreme ruler of the Empire. Even Vader in Episode 5 tried to petition his son to join him... “Luke. You can destroy the Emperor. He has foreseen this. It is your destiny. Join me, and we can rule the galaxy as father and son. Come with me. It's the only way.”The Emperor for saw this event roughly in between Episode 4 and 5. He realized that Luke would be a powerful Jedi and could possibly prove to be more powerful then Vader. The final confrontation in Episode 6 was a test. The Emperor pitted father and son against each other for the sole purpose of finding which one was the strongest. He never had any intention of having both Vader and Luke by his side.It is true that the Emperor had many Force Sensitive people working for him... the Imperial Guard, Mara Jade as well as other "Emperor's Hands". However, he would never tolerate another Jedi within the Empire because he would see it as a threat to his reign of the galaxy. If he did allow it, possibly one other to see if he could best Luke or Vader but not 100-400 or however many Imperial Jedi there are. This is SOE's fault but then again the game did say: "Its time to live the greatest Saga ever told.... Yours."Any Imperials who harbored or aided a Jedi would be deemed traitors and would be dealt with harshly. Numerous fans of the movies that I know, and who don't play this game, laugh at the absurd notion that Jedi are allowed to go Imperial. The only ones who try and defend this are those Imperials who are Jedi or fanbois of the Jedi.
Many of us are high ranking Rebels or Imperials and have worked hard to garner the benefits that this work bestows on us. We refuse at this moment in time to toss aside our hard work to make our detractors happy. Hopefully, the Devs will give us a third faction one day. I know that I, for one, like Role-Playing that I am hired by the Empire to eliminate any and all Jedi. That is my stance on the matter. If you don't like it, I'm sorry, but get over it.One last thing... I challenge anyone to prove the Emperor wanted and utilized Dark Jedi other then Vader in this current time line. And FS is not the same as Jedi so Mara DOES NOT count. Provide exerpt and title of Book, Comic or whatever that is officially licensed by LucasFilm.
Message Edited by ShaikeRamjet on 09-13-2005 09:51 PM
If your a rebel you don't like the Empire and would not hunt Rebel Jedi, as you are fighting the Empire yourself and would not seek to even the odds. You go on about roleplay and yet you don't want to roleplay. If you did act out the role of a Rebel you'd take all the Emperor said with a pintch of salt!
Let me ask you a question... what faction am I? Seriously. I have stated it in more than 1 post in this thread AND it is in my sig. What faction am I? There is a special edit on my original post just for you.
hmmm traitor fraction ofc
Twilekku
Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:11 am
#63
yea and if the rebels come and attack the traitors bases... be sure i will let em burn next time... who has such allies doesnt need enemies tbh
DTQ
Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:13 am
#64
Tracce wrote:
What it realy comes down to is this: If you hunt Jedi of your own faction, you are burning bridges that you may need to cross in the future. Like it or not, Jedi are very usefull in many situations. An example of this could be the DWB. BH want their Mando armor, and many ask Jedi to assist them. Do you honestly expect somone that has been hunted by you to assist you in getting into the DWB? Heck, I would be hard pressed to assist a BH of my own faction on any quest, much less those that hunt me all the time.
By killing Jedi of your faction, you are realy only hurting your own faction. I don't know about your servers, but on Ahazi, many guilds will boot BH that kill same faction Jedi.
By hunting ANY jedi you are burning bridges, DWB missions with Jedi in tow are as likely as not going to be mixed faction. If Im going to DWB, I dont look for Jedi, If they are there in the group so be it, but personally Id prefer a nice group of non Jedi, which happens often enough.
Faction is a bit of a joke in the game, frankly I dont care who's "winning" the GCW as it has no effect on my game play. I play every faction between my toons. GCW is the Jedi playground. I like the ATST's the TIE's the StormTrooper armour etc etc, I slap around a few rebel NPC's and thats about all that GCW and faction is for a non Jedi. If there was a war for "normal" troopers faction would mean a hell of a lot more to me.
But even so the jedi on the terminals are criminals, Imperials have a perfect excuse to kill any jedi, regardless, I would say a Rebel also has perfect motivation, look at the crimes a Jedi is on the terminals for, who cares if they also want the empire down as well, do you want to ally with murderers? If Jedi were the peacekeepers and wise sages we see in the films, no rebel should be attacking them, but No Jedi in game has clean hands.
Another RP for rebel BH hunting rebel Jedi, Just because a BH doesnt like the empire doesnt make him a fanatic, Dengar Worked with the rebels (in two different stretchs), but was still a bounty hunter he hunted rebel leadership for the first stretch (yes he was just playing the rebels to get close to his mark) but none the less he was a rebel who was hunting rebels, IN THE FILMS.
Just because someone has the same rough idea of taking down the empire DOESNT make them immune from the consequences of their actions, to suggest that you allow the jedi scum (from their mission descriptions) to continue their heinous acts, just because they share your politics is plain wrong.
I do think it would be kind of cool if they could adjust the mission descriptions according to BH faction so that rebel BH's got missions against Rebel Jedi giving the rebels a bad name from rebel alliance command 
. Do you think the Rebels didnt court Marshal their own side for crimes?
. Do you think the Rebels didnt court Marshal their own side for crimes?I feel no need to spare those who like to flex their glow sticks on people for "looking at them in the wrong way".
No content in the game REQUIRES Jedi. I NEVER look for Jedi for a group. If one requests a group when im in a quest chances are I accept, the same as I would accept any "normal" in the same situation. I actually prefer normals in a group to jedi, as the challenge is more fun without them.
I havent ever hunted same faction purely out of respect for my guild masters standing with allied guilds, Ifthe guild masterwasn't afriend, I would leave the guild and join a BH guild and hunt same faction jedi all day long.As it is I wont leave my friends guild struggling along, so I will respect their position. There are also rebel Jedi who ARE friends of mine, if their mission came up I would drop itin a heart beat. Friends are friends regardless of political allegiance, I might vote Conservative, but I have friends who vote labour. I might be counted as protestant but have friends who are catholic. I might be English, but my wife is German.
Twilekku
Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:17 am
#65
old excuses tbh
and the gcw is no joke, players made it one
and the gcw is no joke, players made it one
Message Edited by Twilekku on 09-15-2005 12:18 PM