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Thread: Jedi XP Loss

Manuel_Rivas
Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:21 pm
#66











Manuel_Rivas wrote:

Shut up please






That's all? I think the poster above you is right, this post is beyond your mental capacity.






Uh uh uh... where is my mom!!!


blademaster30
Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:22 pm
#67






Thorkahn wrote:

All that you say is true, and I play both profs.


The only issue I have is that we live in a combat lvl system where a Master BH / Master Doc is more powerful than a lvl 80 Jedi.


Also, the fact that SOE made changes to the BH system, to make it a 1 vs 1, recognizes that a lvl system means 80 vs 80 is just that.


ATM the reward for being a jedi just does not exist. With a lvl combat system, the delta becomes armor and weapons when lvls are equal. Since Jedi cannot wear armor and PostCU glow sticks are no where near the common place 1200 damage weapons, Jedi have become just another toon.


Until SOE can implement a system that actually works fairly and correctly, then paying a subscription for a mostly broken product is penalty enough.






QFE




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abbink
Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:25 pm
#68

im going to keep adding my opion to these type of posts. Ive played both sides and it can be exiting as a bh coming up on your mark or as a jedi seeing a BH gunning for you...gets the heart pumping a little...but i really think it just needs to be done away with...it causes so much friction and contention that it makes it almost no fun. The forums are bloated with negative posts about how Jedi are too powerful or not powerful enough or how bounty hunters have too much of an advantage or not enough or how players grief other players. Lets be done with it already lets make a peace treaty between bounty hunters and jedi. Letseliminate the strifeand make the game enjoyable for both sides.






Too often players and the devs have a mindset that professions should be balanced with 1 on 1 pvp in mind. This mindset is ruining the game. The benchmark for balance should be determined by the role a profession plays in a group setting. As long as the current mindset continues we will never see uniqueness among the professions, nor will we ever see individuality within a given profession. We will never see the SWG universe expanded as the focus will only ever be balance pass after balance pass after balance pass.


Message Edited by abbink on 07-26-200609:32 AM


MasterJedi2003
Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:30 pm
#69


Thorkahn wrote:

All that you say is true, and I play both profs.

The only issue I have is that we live in a combat lvl system where a Master BH / Master Doc is more powerful than a lvl 80 Jedi.

Also, the fact that SOE made changes to the BH system, to make it a 1 vs 1, recognizes that a lvl system means 80 vs 80 is just that.

ATM the reward for being a jedi just does not exist. With a lvl combat system, the delta becomes armor and weapons when lvls are equal. Since Jedi cannot wear armor and PostCU glow sticks are no where near the common place 1200 damage weapons, Jedi have become just another toon.

Until SOE can implement a system that actually works fairly and correctly, then paying a subscription for a mostly broken product is penalty enough.






Jedi is no longer a reward, thats why you have all the whiners and babies. before when you were jedi, it was just fun and cool to be a jedi, you didn't cry about things. Now since they give jedi to every person that wants it, they have to lower the level of jedi or it will nullify every other combat profession. Oh and you might have 1 BH capable of doing a 1 on 1 with a knight.

flame on, talk about how you pay, you are griefed, and your life is over because you were given a jedi and they had to nerf it for that exact reason (you meaning in general)

as far as working fairly, not sure what you are even talking about, its not fair to non-jedi. You guys just dont get it, when they made jedi easy because of all of your crying WE KNEW THEY WOULD HAVE TO NERF JEDI. So be happy you got a jedi without doing 90% of what it used to take, and quit crying about someone having a strong rifle. After all, you got a free character once you unlocked, become a rifleman if that makes it "fair".

After all, if SOE was worried about what was fair, they wouldn't have picked a correspondent who exploited his way to the top of FRS.

Message Edited by MasterJedi2003 on 09-07-2005 05:35 PM



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Ephrath
Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:35 pm
#70






Thorkahn wrote:

All that you say is true, and I play both profs.


The only issue I have is that we live in a combat lvl system where a Master BH / Master Doc is more powerful than a lvl 80 Jedi.


Also, the fact that SOE made changes to the BH system, to make it a 1 vs 1, recognizes that a lvl system means 80 vs 80 is just that.


ATM the reward for being a jedi just does not exist. With a lvl combat system, the delta becomes armor and weapons when lvls are equal. Since Jedi cannot wear armor and PostCU glow sticks are no where near the common place 1200 damage weapons, Jedi have become just another toon.


Until SOE can implement a system that actually works fairly and correctly, then paying a subscription for a mostly broken product is penalty enough.








WTH? I'm not master Doc... I'm MBH/MCM and I've taken 5 mission on random Jedi. Every single one was full template and the only reason why I lasted against them as long as I did was because I spent half a milion credits on food stuffs. The Jedi used not foods at all. You know what the advise was that was given to me by all of the Jedi I fought? You need to use more foods... That means that the only way to beat a full temp Jedi as a MBH/MCM is to spend all your hard earned credits an food buffs that the Jedi doesn't have to use. The chances of getting a bounty on a noob Jedi are so slim you can count on a tough fight to someone who is no good at PvP and a losing battle against any Jedi that knows how to PvP. Aslo, to further illustrate this point,when I was lvl 67 with limited Jedi skills and only TKM asmy major combat profession I was able to beat a BH with CM abilities who was lvl 80. The current situation between Jedi/BH abilities is exactly where it needs to be (though I think powers really needs a little more love.)

As far as the XP loss goes... that's a risk taken when you become a Jedi and by the time it becomes a problem for you you'll be too far in your template (if not full template) to where it wont make a whole lot of difference. If xp loss is such a problem the go out and solo grind to avoid the terminals.



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Thorkahn
Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:40 pm
#71






MasterJedi2003 wrote:





Thorkahn wrote:

All that you say is true, and I play both profs.


The only issue I have is that we live in a combat lvl system where a Master BH / Master Doc is more powerful than a lvl 80 Jedi.


Also, the fact that SOE made changes to the BH system, to make it a 1 vs 1, recognizes that a lvl system means 80 vs 80 is just that.


ATM the reward for being a jedi just does not exist. With a lvl combat system, the delta becomes armor and weapons when lvls are equal. Since Jedi cannot wear armor and PostCU glow sticks are no where near the common place 1200 damage weapons, Jedi have become just another toon.


Until SOE can implement a system that actually works fairly and correctly, then paying a subscription for a mostly broken product is penalty enough.









Jedi is no longer a reward, thats why you have all the whiners and babies. before when you were jedi, it was just fun and cool to be a jedi, you didn't cry about things. Now since they give jedi to every person that wants it, they have to lower the level of jedi or it will nullify every other combat profession. Oh and you might have 1 BH capable of doing a 1 on 1 with a knight.

flame on, talk about how you pay, you are griefed, and your life is over because you were given a jedi and they had to nerf it for that exact reason (you meaning in general)





So you are agreeing that Jedi is no longer a reward? Yeah, I have one BH, what about it?


As long as being Jedi is not providing a reward for the risk, then the risk is not valid.


Simple solution is to remove the risk for Jedi, or add risk to the BH.





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Tom'we Frankensteiner- BH Lvl 90
Syrena- Trader Domestic
Xena- Entertainer
Vendors: 4050, -4170 Moenia, Naboo
MasterJedi2003
Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:42 pm
#72



Thorkahn wrote:


MasterJedi2003 wrote:


Thorkahn wrote:

All that you say is true, and I play both profs.

The only issue I have is that we live in a combat lvl system where a Master BH / Master Doc is more powerful than a lvl 80 Jedi.

Also, the fact that SOE made changes to the BH system, to make it a 1 vs 1, recognizes that a lvl system means 80 vs 80 is just that.

ATM the reward for being a jedi just does not exist. With a lvl combat system, the delta becomes armor and weapons when lvls are equal. Since Jedi cannot wear armor and PostCU glow sticks are no where near the common place 1200 damage weapons, Jedi have become just another toon.

Until SOE can implement a system that actually works fairly and correctly, then paying a subscription for a mostly broken product is penalty enough.






Jedi is no longer a reward, thats why you have all the whiners and babies. before when you were jedi, it was just fun and cool to be a jedi, you didn't cry about things. Now since they give jedi to every person that wants it, they have to lower the level of jedi or it will nullify every other combat profession. Oh and you might have 1 BH capable of doing a 1 on 1 with a knight.

flame on, talk about how you pay, you are griefed, and your life is over because you were given a jedi and they had to nerf it for that exact reason (you meaning in general)


So you are agreeing that Jedi is no longer a reward? Yeah, I have one BH, what about it?

As long as being Jedi is not providing a reward for the risk, then the risk is not valid.

Simple solution is to remove the risk for Jedi, or add risk to the BH.






Fine by me, but they'll nerf jedi again, and you'll be posting once again about how unfair things are . . . .



\JL\
Retired Jedi Knight
ZERO Tolerançe

Nuttynoah
Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:43 pm
#73






abbink wrote:
im going to keep adding my opion to these type of posts. Ive played both sides and it can be exiting as a bh coming up on your mark or as a jedi seeing a BH gunning for you...gets the heart pumping a little...but i really think it just needs to be done away with...it causes so much friction and contention that it makes it almost no fun. The forums are bloated with negative posts about how Jedi are too powerful or not powerful enough or how bounty hunters have too much of an advantage or not enough or how players grief other players. Lets be done with it already lets make a peace treaty between bounty hunters and jedi. Letseliminate the strifeand make the game enjoyable for both sides.






i agree but only after thay give a post CU jedi a saber that matches or nearly matches a BH weapon, then i will be happy being put on my ass by a BH, as at least i put up a fight....which is the fun in the game



NO CAPTAIN, I SEE NO SHIPS JUST HARDSHIPS **R.I.P SWG 26/04/2005**






NO CAPTAIN, I SEE NO SHIPS JUST HARDSHIPS.R.I.P SWG 26/04/2005

ghosts dont die thay just fade away like star war veterans are doing every day

Nuttynoah Elder Jedi


MasterJedi2003
Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:44 pm
#74



Nuttynoah wrote:


abbink wrote:
im going to keep adding my opion to these type of posts. Ive played both sides and it can be exiting as a bh coming up on your mark or as a jedi seeing a BH gunning for you...gets the heart pumping a little...but i really think it just needs to be done away with...it causes so much friction and contention that it makes it almost no fun. The forums are bloated with negative posts about how Jedi are too powerful or not powerful enough or how bounty hunters have too much of an advantage or not enough or how players grief other players. Lets be done with it already lets make a peace treaty between bounty hunters and jedi. Lets eliminate the strife and make the game enjoyable for both sides.



i agree but only after thay give a post CU jedi a saber that matches or nearly matches a BH weapon, then i will be happy being put on my ass by a BH, as at least i put up a fight....which is the fun in the game

NO CAPTAIN, I SEE NO SHIPS JUST HARDSHIPS **R.I.P SWG 26/04/2005**






then we have to give BH cloak, and forceheal, and force run, and why not forcemandoarmor as well



\JL\
Retired Jedi Knight
ZERO Tolerançe

alpinestreams
Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:45 pm
#75

An experienced full template Jedi under normal circumstances should not be dying to a BH ... period ... sometimes you win ... sometimes you learn.




Chewen' the Cloaked Defender


MasterJedi2003
Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:46 pm
#76



alpinestreams wrote:
An experienced full template Jedi under normal circumstances should not be dying to a BH ... period ... sometimes you win ... sometimes you learn.





/raise

finally someone I agree with



\JL\
Retired Jedi Knight
ZERO Tolerançe

Thorkahn
Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:47 pm
#77






MasterJedi2003 wrote:





Thorkahn wrote:





MasterJedi2003 wrote:





Thorkahn wrote:

All that you say is true, and I play both profs.


The only issue I have is that we live in a combat lvl system where a Master BH / Master Doc is more powerful than a lvl 80 Jedi.


Also, the fact that SOE made changes to the BH system, to make it a 1 vs 1, recognizes that a lvl system means 80 vs 80 is just that.


ATM the reward for being a jedi just does not exist. With a lvl combat system, the delta becomes armor and weapons when lvls are equal. Since Jedi cannot wear armor and PostCU glow sticks are no where near the common place 1200 damage weapons, Jedi have become just another toon.


Until SOE can implement a system that actually works fairly and correctly, then paying a subscription for a mostly broken product is penalty enough.









Jedi is no longer a reward, thats why you have all the whiners and babies. before when you were jedi, it was just fun and cool to be a jedi, you didn't cry about things. Now since they give jedi to every person that wants it, they have to lower the level of jedi or it will nullify every other combat profession. Oh and you might have 1 BH capable of doing a 1 on 1 with a knight.

flame on, talk about how you pay, you are griefed, and your life is over because you were given a jedi and they had to nerf it for that exact reason (you meaning in general)





So you are agreeing that Jedi is no longer a reward? Yeah, I have one BH, what about it?


As long as being Jedi is not providing a reward for the risk, then the risk is not valid.


Simple solution is to remove the risk for Jedi, or add risk to the BH.









Fine by me, but they'll nerf jedi again, and you'll be posting once again about how unfair things are . . . .





Not sure how they can nerf jedi anymore. Not sure how adding a credit penalty, as an example, to BH would result in more Jedi nerfing either.


Time will tell all.





IGN
Thorkahn- Jedi Lvl 90
Tom'we Frankensteiner- BH Lvl 90
Syrena- Trader Domestic
Xena- Entertainer
Vendors: 4050, -4170 Moenia, Naboo
MasterJedi2003
Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:49 pm
#78



Thorkahn wrote:


MasterJedi2003 wrote:


Thorkahn wrote:


MasterJedi2003 wrote:


Thorkahn wrote:

All that you say is true, and I play both profs.

The only issue I have is that we live in a combat lvl system where a Master BH / Master Doc is more powerful than a lvl 80 Jedi.

Also, the fact that SOE made changes to the BH system, to make it a 1 vs 1, recognizes that a lvl system means 80 vs 80 is just that.

ATM the reward for being a jedi just does not exist. With a lvl combat system, the delta becomes armor and weapons when lvls are equal. Since Jedi cannot wear armor and PostCU glow sticks are no where near the common place 1200 damage weapons, Jedi have become just another toon.

Until SOE can implement a system that actually works fairly and correctly, then paying a subscription for a mostly broken product is penalty enough.






Jedi is no longer a reward, thats why you have all the whiners and babies. before when you were jedi, it was just fun and cool to be a jedi, you didn't cry about things. Now since they give jedi to every person that wants it, they have to lower the level of jedi or it will nullify every other combat profession. Oh and you might have 1 BH capable of doing a 1 on 1 with a knight.

flame on, talk about how you pay, you are griefed, and your life is over because you were given a jedi and they had to nerf it for that exact reason (you meaning in general)


So you are agreeing that Jedi is no longer a reward? Yeah, I have one BH, what about it?

As long as being Jedi is not providing a reward for the risk, then the risk is not valid.

Simple solution is to remove the risk for Jedi, or add risk to the BH.






Fine by me, but they'll nerf jedi again, and you'll be posting once again about how unfair things are . . . .


Not sure how they can nerf jedi anymore. Not sure how adding a credit penalty, as an example, to BH would result in more Jedi nerfing either.

Time will tell all.






are you serious? ok AI is overpowered. Mdefenders are overpowered. Cloak is exploitable, most templates have a "get away" card. may not be 100% full proof but if you die as a jedi and you didn't want to, you obviously have a lot to learn or had really bad luck.



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