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Thread: what are the jedi so upset about?
Just fought a Jedi, 2 BHs (MBH/MCM/RM4000) v 1 Jedi
In 5-8mins he took us both DOWN. Pretty awesome sight.
He was hitting us like 3-5 times before we can get 1 heal or shot fired.And this was with Thyroidstick on him
He was hitting for about 667-788dmg on both our 7000+ Energy Battle Armor.
Simply amazing.
Toonarmy wrote:Just fought a Jedi, 2 BHs (MBH/MCM/RM4000) v 1 Jedi
In 5-8mins he took us both DOWN. Pretty awesome sight.
He was hitting us like 3-5 times before we can get 1 heal or shot fired.And this was with Thyroid stick on him
He was hitting for about 667-788dmg on both our 7000+ Energy Battle Armor.
Simply amazing.
Learn your tactics. If you have MCM and Novice Rifles, a Jedi should not be able to touch you with the current changes, much less beat up two BHs.
Stecoli wrote:
Sorry but nothing is worse than force cloak.
as for you neeo, ive hunted some 300 jedi, when was the last time i was killed by a jedi?, i cant remeber a long time ago. I dont like jedi at all, im no fan of jedi, im merely speaking the truth, its starting to get boring. not really a challenge anymore
Message Edited by Stecoli on 10-21-2005 06:03 AM
you are completely and utterly wrong. a cloaked jedi can't do anything to you, but run.
daz007 wrote:
blah, I give, there is just no talking sense to any Jedi fans is there? Just look at this statement, it speaks for itself.
Stecoli wrote:
Because all that grinding they did, now they cant even face a bh 1 on 1 and come out victorious , so all they can do is run , now they nerfing their escape root. I dont have a jedi alt but i do feel kinda sorry for them.
I grinded out all my xp alone on Dant running thousands of Voritor missions while having to dodge any npc or player I see and having to watch out for dying to the creatures too for fear of xp loss. So whats your point?
Grunzer wrote:
Akast wrote:
is it the snare thing? or the SL thing. ive neever seen such unhappiness before sure they whine alot but this, is extreme
Do you really want to know? or are you just trying to start a flame fest against Jedi?
If you really want to know, I'll tell you that I think they're just finally sick of all of it. They've been nerfed non-stop since the CU, and they're sick of it. The pot, as someone else said, has reached boiling point and many people are taking the last step and cancelling.
In truth, SOE has failed all of us, not just Jedi, but everyone who plays this game. Jedi are just the latest in a long line of failures coming to the fore. I remember when it was BH's and the 300-500 hours it took to make Master.
I might also add that Jedi players... Both the good ones and the bad ones... Have been subjected to a lot of unreasonable hate by just about every other profession around through no fault of our own. We don't make the decisions, the developers do, but Jedi often get blamed for them.So really, you're content is jumping ship because they are fed up, tired, and just don't care enough anymore to bother with it.And the fact that 5-10 BH's will come in here and tell us "Good, you ruined the game." Is just another push towards the door, but in reality we didn't ruin the game, the programmers ruined it.At this stage of the game, if a BH comes for me, I'll either run or just stand there and die. It seems to be what the BH profession as a collective whole wants us to do anyway right? Stand there and die for you?Message Edited by Grunzer on 10-22-2005 01:37 AM
you sir deserve 5 stars.
i dont know but its leaving a bad taste in my mouth ....and not because i think their right ..
they should stop .. they have ruined the game enough ...id hate to see potential new subscribers lost, because of the ridiculousness they will see when scanning the forums to learn about the game ...and its not just jedi its anyone who acts like this ...
but lately im seeing it constantly with jedi and bh as well
its one thing to have 1 to 5 threads ... and post within those threads ...its another to have 3 pages of threads in the jedi forum alone ( with countless deleted) .. and then have jedi spill it onto the other forums ...they are like spoiled children getting loud to get what they want ..and i have seen BH with this crap too ... im not blaming it all on jedi .. ive seen bh pile it on as well asking for jedi abilities to get nerfed ( like cloak)
wel all dont have everything we want .. but we cant get angry and hostile....
Message Edited by Thassk on 10-21-2005 05:13 PM
vThasskv
"shh, ...be vewy vewy qwiet, im hunting.. Jeddai!!"
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without reading further i feel the need to respond to this post.
the problem is that at this point the only time any action is ever seen from the DEVs is when a huge outcry is raised.
when have you ever seen anything corrected when quiet reasonable discussions have been attempted?
remember the xp nerf?
a personal experience i had today with the snares. it was permanent. i spent 20 minutes snared. combined with higher action costs it made my toon unplayable. so yeah i have a real issue with this patch.
funny when the DoTs from cm were broken they were fixed within days.
saber speed has been bugged since the CU.
why do jedi complain so much?
because we are the only profession that has anything to lose and nothing to gain from the forced PvP we are subjected to and our fixes are either ignored or they make things worse.
jedi DID NOT ruin the game.
the DEVs have managed to do that all by themselves.
and if you are a BH in this game you have absolutely NO call to blame it on jedi. we happen to be your damn content...which is fine if we arent reduced to nothing but a second class melee profession with a long grind. but we are fast approaching this.
have fun with NPCs fellas.
Grunzer wrote:
Do you really want to know? or are you just trying to start a flame fest against Jedi?
If you really want to know, I'll tell you that I think they're just finally sick of all of it. They've been nerfed non-stop since the CU, and they're sick of it. The pot, as someone else said, has reached boiling point and many people are taking the last step and cancelling.
In truth, SOE has failed all of us, not just Jedi, but everyone who plays this game. Jedi are just the latest in a long line of failures coming to the fore. I remember when it was BH's and the 300-500 hours it took to make Master.
I might also add that Jedi players... Both the good ones and the bad ones... Have been subjected to a lot of unreasonable hate by just about every other profession around through no fault of our own. We don't make the decisions, the developers do, but Jedi often get blamed for them.
So really, you're content is jumping ship because they are fed up, tired, and just don't care enough anymore to bother with it.
And the fact that 5-10 BH's will come in here and tell us "Good, you ruined the game." Is just another push towards the door, but in reality we didn't ruin the game, the programmers ruined it.
At this stage of the game, if a BH comes for me, I'll either run or just stand there and die. It seems to be what the BH profession as a collective whole wants us to do anyway right? Stand there and die for you?
Message Edited by Grunzer on 10-22-2005 01:37 AM
I highlighted some points I wanted to discuss.
If you remember a few publish ago the Developers wanted to extend the grinding process by limiting group experience. Also if you remember, players cancelled and demanded the change back. So in fact we, and by "we" I mean whiny people, make the decisions. As scary as that sounds.
Most of the nerfs that come, comes from idiots calling for nerfs. This snare thing isnt primarily criesfrom just BH's. If you scan your Jedi boards, even jedi were calling for a stop to snare and root. In fact a lot of the nerfs you Jedi encountered have been self inflicted.
Sundal wrote:
Grunzer wrote:
Do you really want to know? or are you just trying to start a flame fest against Jedi?
If you really want to know, I'll tell you that I think they're just finally sick of all of it. They've been nerfed non-stop since the CU, and they're sick of it. The pot, as someone else said, has reached boiling point and many people are taking the last step and cancelling.
In truth, SOE has failed all of us, not just Jedi, but everyone who plays this game. Jedi are just the latest in a long line of failures coming to the fore. I remember when it was BH's and the 300-500 hours it took to make Master.
I might also add that Jedi players... Both the good ones and the bad ones... Have been subjected to a lot of unreasonable hate by just about every other profession around through no fault of our own. We don't make the decisions, the developers do, but Jedi often get blamed for them.
So really, you're content is jumping ship because they are fed up, tired, and just don't care enough anymore to bother with it.
And the fact that 5-10 BH's will come in here and tell us "Good, you ruined the game." Is just another push towards the door, but in reality we didn't ruin the game, the programmers ruined it.
At this stage of the game, if a BH comes for me, I'll either run or just stand there and die. It seems to be what the BH profession as a collective whole wants us to do anyway right? Stand there and die for you?
Message Edited by Grunzer on 10-22-2005 01:37 AM
I highlighted some points I wanted to discuss.
If you remember a few publish ago the Developers wanted to extend the grinding process by limiting group experience. Also if you remember, players cancelled and demanded the change back. So in fact we, and by "we" I mean whiny people, make the decisions. As scary as that sounds.
Most of the nerfs that come, comes from idiots calling for nerfs. This snare thing isnt primarily criesfrom just BH's. If you scan your Jedi boards, even jedi were calling for a stop to snare and root. In fact a lot of the nerfs you Jedi encountered have been self inflicted.
The developers made the choice to roll it back, they made that choice because they previously made a bad choice here, a bad choice there, and there, and here, and there, and here over the course of 2 years in this game they have made so many bad choices that subscribership is flagging to the point that in order to keep what's left of their player-base, they bowed down and rolled it back.
Had they not made all those bad choices that led up to the XP nerf, they would not have needed to succomb to the players.
In the end the developers and the bean counters are responsible for whether a game is made or broken. The customers will play it if it is good, and if it is bad, they won't.
So blaming a Jedi, or a BH, or an entertainer, or an AFK macroer. etc. Is putting blame where it does not belong. SOE, LucasArts, The Developers, The Marketers.. In Short, the Corporation is responsible.
Blaming me because Jedi can go waving their wands around starports and acting like idiots is not our fault. Ask yourself why it is that the developers continue to let Jedi behave this way.
Are you saying that the developers have no choice but to allow Jedi to run around NPC cities acting like idiots? You don't believe there is code that could be put into place to force Jedi into behaving?
No matter how you cut it, it is the not the player that is at fault. MMORPG's have been around long enough, and these developers have been too. The only blame we, the customer, should take, is for paying them month after month.
There is a reason why WoW can be so boring, and still have 2,000,000+ subscribers. What do you think that reason is? Everyone complains about how boring WoW is, about the horrible GRIND that it is. And yet it's smeared the SW:G franchise (which WAS much much much much bigger.) Into the ground.
Why is that? is it the players who should be held up high on pedestals, because they made the game a success? No. It is the developers. it is the customer service, it is the corporation that has made the game. Players like WoW despite it's drawbacks because Blizzard has made good choice after good choice after good choice.
Message Edited by Grunzer on 10-22-2005 02:13 AM
Eutock wrote:Still can't find a concise one-sentence statement about what the fuss is all about, LoL. Sounds like something about either action costs or snares or both.In any event this lends credence to my SWG 3-Month theory: pick any point in time between the present and June 2003 (when SWG launched), then look three months in either direction and you're essentially dealing with a new game, or at the least significant changes to core systems, abilities, or items, to the point where you have to relearn tactics and discard useless items (food, armor, weapons, etc.). Fun stuff...
Yup, and on top of that, most of the changes implemented in that 6-months-period are nothing players ever asked for or even worse things the majority of players did not want after seeing them on TC, all without any communication from SOE why those changes were made.
Thassk.
Im not going to flame.... you have put up some good arguements, and i respect that.
But your statement above is incorrect.
Message Edited by ITK5 on 10-22-2005 07:53 AM
ITK5 wrote:
650 damage and low FC...( which is possible my post CU friend has done it ... from the pearls hes gotten while hunting krayts with me)
Thassk.
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Negative that ghost Rider...thats my friend is totally False.
Im not going to flame.... you have put up some good arguements, and i respect that.
But your statement above is incorrect.
90-100 damage lines with -8 and -9fc are achievable post CU .... off good pearls... thats the feedback ive gotten from jedi whom ive sold my pearls to.
tiggs has even stated herself that goods can tune just as well as premiums .. just at a much much lower chance
Message Edited by Thassk on 10-22-2005 05:57 AM