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Thread: Jedi have no armor... yeah right
TheMadCoder wrote:
Eskie wrote:
TheMadCoder wrote:
...But what MLS wouldn't have (and use) ISAB?
Eskie wrote:
You do realize that you cannot ever kill a MDoc / some TKA template with just Saber Throw, right? Its the same reason MLS Jedi dont kill MCM-BHs with just Saber Throw, any advanced healing template laughs at Saber Throw damage unless Armor Break and some other alternating attack is used.
The one that sticks to kiting his opponents as suggested by the post I replied to. Dont quote me out of context, please.
My apologies for quoting you out of context.In regards to not being able to close the gap of kiting range, then that's a tactical problem, not an issue with Jedi innate.
Honestly I've tried to take the Jedi's side here, but I just can't any longer. You folks are just complaining "I can't do this or that," but since patch 9 all you've been saying "adapt" to everyone else, particularly the BHs.
If you can't invest the SP or use the right food to close the kiting range gap...
ADAPT!
Message Edited by TheMadCoder on 08-16-2005 07:13 PM
Please re-read the thread.
- A Jedi said a Doc / TKA / Swords combo is more powerful than a Jedi.
- A BH answered that Jedi and said the Jedi should just kite and do as ranged BH do - kite melee players.
- After all, any LS xxx2 Jedi has a Saber Throw attack.
- To that, I answered that kiting is not a good idea because a Lightsabers Jedi cannot do enough damage to kill such a template while kiting.
This is where you joined the discussion. Nowhere was any mentioning of a Jedi being kited, it was about the Jedi kiting another melee player. Its not about closing the gap to a kiting opponent.
Eskie wrote:
Please re-read the thread.
- A Jedi said a Doc / TKA / Swords combo is more powerful than a Jedi.
- A BH answered that Jedi and said the Jedi should just kite and do as ranged BH do - kite melee players.
- After all, any LS xxx2 Jedi has a Saber Throw attack.
- To that, I answered that kiting is not a good idea because a Lightsabers Jedi cannot do enough damage to kill such a template while kiting.
This is where you joined the discussion. Nowhere was any mentioning of a Jedi being kited, it was about the Jedi kiting another melee player. Its not about closing the gap to a kiting opponent.
Message Edited by TheMadCoder on 08-16-2005 07:38 PM
assuming that this jedi was master defender + 0400 enhancer (force armor) also noting he had much higher ranged defense then you have accuracy in all probablility. do the math: 7500 ubese armor under 1m credits md/+0440 enhancer 117 SPs the difference: he mitigates about 4% more damage then i do.
is your point that this is somehow unbalancing? /meh
Anarchicgorilla wrote:
1000 = 10.5%
2000 = 20.0%
3000 = 28.5%
4000 = 36.0%
5000 = 42.5%
6000 = 48.0%
7000 = 52.5%
8000 = 56.0%
9000 = 58.5%
10000 = 60%
This is the amor guide as taken of the FAQ
I have justlooked at my combat logs and innate jedi armour (no psg) withimp. force armormacroabsorbs just over 58 % of any damage (blast, energy, or kinetic) I know my opponet was full temp jedibut that is all (so if he was not master defender this could be higher)
Damage done with a puped 610-1219 carbine with a basic ranged shot was ---724 dmg (armour absorbed 421) for the final damage of303 pts. (eating pyro ranged accuracy bonus food)
This would make a master defenders innate armor + the macro absorb 58.15% of incoming damage.
That would be equiviant to a 8850 kinetic / 8850 energy battle armor suit.
So next time you hear a jedi say... I cannot wear armor ... point them here.
Nathanielstarr wrote:
Why didn't the jedi kite him? Saber throw HELLO. Combine that with any type of stasis or force run and you're doing it like we do...only better.
K, what happened was this:
2 Jedi thought they had the drop on a single Swords/Doc - who was actually pretending to shop on the bazaar. I know him personally, he is Speed capped Swordsman with a MASSIVE Power Hammr.
They attacked thinking easy kill, wrong.
Swordsman Ab's then KD's one Jedi, and hits him repeatedly for over 1200 per hit with Headhit and crit hit.
I think No.1 Jedi is a tad shocked when he is inacpped in 4 hits. He didn't even heal once.
2nd Jedi meanwhile tries to kill the swordsman, not much luck. COB is the nasty! 2nd Jedi Heals 1st one to avoid DB, 1st Jedi incapped again 2 secs later and DB'd while 2nd Jedi heals.
2nd Jedi gets KD'd and starts to get his a$$ whipped, stands and burst runs away healing and heading towards the river next to Theed SP.
Moral is, both Jedi thought they were gonna get an easy Kill, got stunned like mullets when the Swords/Doc put on some serious damage FAST. 1st Jedi goes down hard, 2nd one tries to fight, realises he is overpowered and runs to safety. Never Underestimate your Opponent!
Qwad wrote:
LxKane wrote:
I've yet to see a Jedi of any lvl that doesn't have or atleast plan to get atleast one tree of Mdef.
You can't have "one tree" and be a master defender.
Bah. Don't nit-pick. You know what he means...
TheMadCoder wrote:
Qwad wrote:
LxKane wrote:
I've yet to see a Jedi of any lvl that doesn't have or atleast plan to get atleast one tree of Mdef.
You can't have "one tree" and be a master defender.
Bah. Don't nit-pick. You know what he means...
Coulda easily been a typo. "at leas one tree OR Mdef" makes sense as well, especially given the close proximity of the f & r keys.
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
TheMadCoder wrote:
Qwad wrote:
LxKane wrote:
I've yet to see a Jedi of any lvl that doesn't have or atleast plan to get atleast one tree of Mdef.
You can't have "one tree" and be a master defender.
Bah. Don't nit-pick. You know what he means...
Coulda easily been a typo. "at leas one tree OR Mdef" makes sense as well, especially given the close proximity of the f & r keys.
Only LxKane will truly know
Zutan wrote:
Not all Jedi have Mdef.. which means some have almost no "armor".. The only problem with that is the balance of a non-Def Jedi vs a Def Jedi is pretty far off as far as survivability goes..
I love fighting mdef jedi. Well on my jedi atleast. They are really easy to kill. My template is mls 4000 healer 3004 enhancer 2044 defender. I just poot snares and roots on em knock em around alot ( having a 600max dmg saber helps) have them throw on ai; force suppression them and run 40m out and try to run in every couple of seconds and saber trhow them so they can't heall all the way back up. i dont know why i am even posting so much tonight. I must be really tired usually i dont care that much.
Damian-j wrote:
aekeem wrote:
well that says a lot for the caliber of the pvping jedi of flurry lol.
although you're probably lying or both the jedi were afk i like to poke fun at the backwater servers.
1. I'm not lieing.
2. The Jedi were not AFK, and both are above average PVPers.
3. The Swords/Doc is an AWESOME PVPer.
4. We enjoy our lag free "Backwater" server, feel free to drop by and get your a$$ kicked daily.
