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Thread: To all who wants cloak nerfed
IntrepidNews wrote:
KaliMaul wrote:
IntrepidNews wrote:
Durzel wrote:
Cloak has far reaching consequences than just avoiding BH, and I'm saying that as someone who is MPowers and uses cloak religiously.
I have been sat in Theed and 3 overt Rebels have literally just appeared out of thin air and ganked someone who had recently gone overt nearby. As soon as they killed said Imperial they disappeared again, waiting for the next victim.
If you can't see how that is more influential in PvP than anything in any of the other trees then you need your head examined, and the fact it is attainable from ONE line in Powers just makes it completely unbalanced.
To use your analogy, it would be like Aura alone making someone impossible to kill, or Power Attack in LS being a one-shot killer, or Advanced Force Heal healing all damage, states and debuffs.
If it were moved to MPowers, all of the ganking would disappear overnight - plus MBHs would actually have a much lower ratio of Jedi who cloak n' run as soon as they appear (although I still would, because I'd still be MPowers)
You're right. Who wants to pvp when someone can just appear and pretty much kill you instantly?
I say it again... if you go overt at so popular places, you're totally dumb. No jedi can stay cloaked at the imperial or rebel outpost, why don't you go overt there?Message Edited by KaliMaul on 09-05-2005 08:42 PM
You're right. Why pvp ever?
Where did I say do not pvp? I just said go overt somewhere else. lol
frankenstienmonster wrote:
KaliMaul wrote:
Well the amount of xp I get depends on many things. I do not always have a good group to help me. Sometimes I get 50k an hour, sometimes 400k (that's very rare but it happens). And don't say I need to socialize, the problem is that most o my friends have grinded like 5 times a full jedi template and simply are tired of grinding. I have become a jedi too late, I missed all the fun
EDIT:btw jedis only get 1/6th of normal xp. And the amount of xp lost is 2000*our skill points in jedi.Message Edited by KaliMaul on 09-05-200509:40 PM
Wasnt going to say anything about socializing at all. But if it runs inbetween 50-400K then it will not take you a day to regrind the XP that you lose from the BH.When the XP Nerf happened I was looking at the Jedi Forum and people were complaing that they were only getting 150 per kill in the group yet when alone they were getting 1K xp from a kill. Now that the XP is back to where it was...at 1K per creature that is only 20 creatures to get the xp back. Even with a small group(say 3) that goes by quick. As a Jedi you knew the risk when you accepted that path.But this is getting away from the cloak issue.I dont think that cloak should be nerfed, I would suggest that it have a timer of 45-50 seconds. That is more than enough time to run a good distance away. And after using it have a cool down timer like burst run does. And if you get Master then the cooldown timer cools down faster.
Erm... 20 creatures to get the xp back? That would be 20k xp not 500k
And what do you mean by this timer thing? At the moment cloak has a 15 second cooldown timer, and I think that is fine. It gives you a runaway or second first hit chance.
KaliMaul wrote:
Erm... 20 creatures to get the xp back? That would be 20k xp not 500k
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KaliMaul wrote:
btw, if cloak truly was an I don't lose button (atm it is not, if you can't kill a mark with cloak you're a bad BH most of the time), what would be wrong? As long as BHs have nothing to lose and jedi can lose a day of hard work, I would call this totally balanced.
You mean a couple of hours, I say this because I madeovera million rifle in that time with some jedi grinders on Dant.
If you pay me 226k and give me the satisfaction of making you regrind your investigation tree if I kill you, then I will stay and fight. As long as I can not win, I will not waste my time and risk my work.
I want to know how much xp you lose when you die? Is it taken from your Force points or does jedi use regular xp points that do not need to be converted over? But if we lose a box in ivestigation then I believe you should lose a box in what ever in jedi. That seems fair. It would take about the same amount of time to regrind each one.
Cloak/not cloaked....ill still find you.
DarenX wrote:
Just wanna point out one thing to the jedi who are comparing FR to cloak. They are not even remotely the same. If i get a mark who fr's on me i can A)shoot him down B)chase him down then shoot him) C) burst run/bike after him D)if he is to fast put my seekers to good use, figure the direction and cut him of or take a short cut to where you think he is headin. What can i do if he cloak? you cant even target him, cant see him.... maby do a few /wave's into thin air, or other funny commands, but you cant do anything to uncloak him or see what buffs, foods, etc... he has. I had a mark the other day who was invisible for 20mins in a sp that was packed with pvp and spamers. Now i dont mind the ability but I do suport moving it to m box. If you didnt want BH interfearing with your hard work.... why the helll did you become a jedi in the first place? Did you forget to read the part on the "how to become an UBER jedi guide V20.6" that said "When you gain vis you get on the BH terminals, and are now open to MBH attacks as a penalty for geting on the terms?
No one ever said it was gonna be an easy grind, All the jedi before you have had to deal with it sure they whined and cried, everyproff does... including BH's but they dealt with it and i have to say, this new generation of jedi are the biggest freaking bunch of whining babies I have ever seen in a game. They think everything should just be given to them....they think they have earned more that the rest of the population, and there is so MANY of them.
Bottom line, life sucks learn to deal with it turn it into fun play the game to have fun, if your not having fun playing a jedi, that only means on thing... dont be a jedi. If i didnt like being a bh I would be a jedi, but i love being a BH.
Think about it
Erm... I made this post because most BHs can't accept a cloaking jedi, so erm.... you should be the ones to accept the game's system.
frankenstienmonster wrote:
KaliMaul wrote:
btw, if cloak truly was an I don't lose button (atm it is not, if you can't kill a mark with cloak you're a bad BH most of the time), what would be wrong? As long as BHs have nothing to lose and jedi can lose a day of hard work, I would call this totally balanced.You mean a couple of hours, I say this because I made over a million rifle in that time with some jedi grinders on Dant.
If you pay me 226k and give me the satisfaction of making you regrind your investigation tree if I kill you, then I will stay and fight. As long as I can not win, I will not waste my time and risk my work.
I want to know how much xp you lose when you die? Is it taken from your Force points or does jedi use regular xp points that do not need to be converted over? But if we lose a box in ivestigation then I believe you should lose a box in what ever in jedi. That seems fair. It would take about the same amount of time to regrind each one.
Cloak/not cloaked....ill still find you.
Well the amount of xp I get depends on many things. I do not always have a good group to help me. Sometimes I get 50k an hour, sometimes 400k (that's very rare but it happens). And don't say I need to socialize, the problem is that most o my friends have grinded like 5 times a full jedi template and simply are tired of grinding. I have become a jedi too late, I missed all the fun
EDIT:btw jedis only get 1/6th of normal xp. And the amount of xp lost is 2000*our skill points in jedi.
Message Edited by KaliMaul on 09-05-2005 09:40 PM
seems kinda like you made it to stir up flames because you're either bored or just generally thick headed.
KaliMaul wrote:
I made this post because most BHs can't accept a cloaking jedi
KaliMaul wrote:
Jedi is only alpha-class in name, nothing more at the moment.
KaliMaul wrote:
Well the amount of xp I get depends on many things. I do not always have a good group to help me. Sometimes I get 50k an hour, sometimes 400k (that's very rare but it happens). And don't say I need to socialize, the problem is that most o my friends have grinded like 5 times a full jedi template and simply are tired of grinding. I have become a jedi too late, I missed all the fun
EDIT:btw jedis only get 1/6th of normal xp. And the amount of xp lost is 2000*our skill points in jedi.
Message Edited by KaliMaul on 09-05-200509:40 PM
frankenstienmonster wrote:
KaliMaul wrote:
Erm... 20 creatures to get the xp back? That would be 20k xp not 500k
I was going off the 20K you had in the previous post. You did not mention 500K,What I mean by the timer is this. Currently I have seen Jedi cloaked for well over 2 min(dont know if that is norm or not), Why not make it where the cloak can ONLY last for so long.I dont know how the cloak ability works because i do not have it so there is information that I dont have in personal experience. But from reading on the boards(as hard as it is to do through all the whining and nerf calling), A jedi uses his force to maintain it. The more creatures in the area drain that force and breaks the cloak. If the Jedi has a high Force regeneration rate then the jedi can maintain that cloak for however long they wish to do. This I believe is not fair and a bit to powerful.My suggestion is to have it where the Jedi pays X amount for the activation and that is it...no maintaining it, yet the cloak only lasts for so long. Like burst run. I /burstrun and then I have a faster run but it wears down and then I have to wait till i can use it again. And make it where the cooldown timer is faster at the Master Box, so that a Master could use it again quicker than the dabbler.This would be fair for all because the Jedi would still have thier cloak...it would not cost as much force to maintain and the BH could still find said Jedi because the Jedi would have used the cloak to evade but then could not use it again for said amount of time.
No, cloak can not be turned on all the time. The FC might not seem so high, but if you load into a popular place like lok (on our server) or mo, it even has a chance to drain your force to 0. Or for example, if I'm on the corvette and I cloak, I have to keep using channel, so I can have cloak on for about 2 minutes. Without channeling that would be even less. BTW I think cloak is the best RP skill. Everyone whines about seeing jedi everywhere, so they should be happy that I try to stay invisible whenever I can.
EDIT:when I wrote 2000*our skill points in jedi I meant 2000 times the skill points in jedi. So two times 226k is the highest amount a jedi can lose.
Message Edited by KaliMaul on 09-06-2005 06:42 PM