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Thread: To all who wants cloak nerfed
AD_Maj wrote:
We didn't pick the " special " profession now did we? We chose to be bounty hunters. You chose to be a jedi. Don't complain about losing XP because you knew what you were in for. If you don't like it tough, make a new character.
Durzel wrote:
KaliMaul wrote:
Camelz wrote:
KaliMaul wrote:
btw, if cloak truly was an I don't lose button (atm it is not, if you can't kill a mark with cloak you're a bad BH most of the time), what would be wrong? As long as BHs have nothing to lose and jedi can lose a day of hard work, I would call this totally balanced. If you pay me 226k and give me the satisfaction of making you regrind your investigation tree if I kill you, then I will stay and fight. As long as I can not win, I will not waste my time and risk my work.
Now I'm confusedI thought we were discussing a GAME here. I have a job where I go to work (or troll the forums lol) but I play SWG for fun. Are you a professional SWG game tester?If you find playing SWG hard work then you need to find another way to relax tbh else you are heading for a stroke.
Ok, so if you had to regrind your investigation and MBH skill every time you lose a fight, that wouldn't be hard work, that would be the best fun you have ever had. Right?
QFE
I don't doubt that a sizeable proportion of BHs get their rocks off from knowing that their victim has just lost 400k+ XP, which is about as close to SOE-sanctioned griefing as it gets. Would be interesting to see how many MBHs would be so cavalier if the shoe was on the other foot as you suggest, if they had to grind Investigation again if they lost...
I chose to become a jedi because after more than a year of playing that looked to be the best possible endgame. And no, I did now know what I agreed on. I did not know that every time my PC crashes I have to log back in preying for not being killed again by a BH. I did not know that my best weapon's max damage will be half and speed will be double of a BH's weapon. Why am I still a jedi? Because I see hope in it, and I want to reach my template.
Jedi have snare to. They have KD to. Dude just shut up. You're making an idiot of yourself. In the end of this thread noone is gonna remember/care about anything you said. It was pointless to begin with. It was meant ( and you KNOW it ) for flames.
Im not responding to this thread anymore. I have more important stuff to do than to listen to a jedi on the BH forums.
Durzel wrote:
KaliMaul wrote:
Camelz wrote:
KaliMaul wrote:
btw, if cloak truly was an I don't lose button (atm it is not, if you can't kill a mark with cloak you're a bad BH most of the time), what would be wrong? As long as BHs have nothing to lose and jedi can lose a day of hard work, I would call this totally balanced. If you pay me 226k and give me the satisfaction of making you regrind your investigation tree if I kill you, then I will stay and fight. As long as I can not win, I will not waste my time and risk my work.
Now I'm confused
I thought we were discussing a GAME here. I have a job where I go to work (or troll the forums lol) but I play SWG for fun. Are you a professional SWG game tester?
If you find playing SWG hard work then you need to find another way to relax tbh else you are heading for a stroke.
Ok, so if you had to regrind your investigation and MBH skill every time you lose a fight, that wouldn't be hard work, that would be the best fun you have ever had. Right?
QFE
I don't doubt that a sizeable proportion of BHs get their rocks off from knowing that their victim has just lost 400k+ XP, which is about as close to SOE-sanctioned griefing as it gets. Would be interesting to see how many MBHs would be so cavalier if the shoe was on the other foot as you suggest, if they had to grind Investigation again if they lost...
Every Jedi who complains about XP loss is a moron. Reason being that you know the circumstances of becomming one before you do, and if you dont know them by now then quite frankly you are an even bigger moron. Force Cloak yes move it to the master box thats where it belongs if you argue with that then your just one of the dabblers who dont want to loose the ability to become hidden. You complain about balance well if you want balance your going to have to give differnt professions (not nessecarily BH) the abilities to do some form of what you can do (maybe not as effectively) until you can gain balance.
/endofdiscussion
KaliMaul wrote:
Jedi is only alpha-class in name, nothing more at the moment.
Kaukiji wrote:
almost 1/2 of the jedi on chilastra are now enhancer because if played right it can be 100x more effective than defender
some things to say about stasis, its just not that cool. yes you can stasis a guy and wait for combat to break THEN you can sit and meditate but you have only about 10 sec left on the stasis and then your target will be free to shoot you again. also he gains 30 sec immunity to it and even after the immunity, stasis LOVES to miss. when it does, it still costs force and goes through its cooldown.
so yeah the skill looks all-powerful when you DONT have itbut if you get a chance to use it then you will know theres many disadvantages to it that dont make it as great as you would like to believe. if a guy sits and meditates infront of his target, its only for show, not to regain force. its for the simple fact, meditate just isnt that fast or that good neither.
hamhamthe3rd wrote:
some things to say about stasis, its just not that cool. yes you can stasis a guy and wait for combat to break THEN you can sit and meditate but you have only about 10 sec left on the stasis and then your target will be free to shoot you again. also he gains 30 sec immunity to it and even after the immunity, stasis LOVES to miss. when it does, it still costs force and goes through its cooldown.
so yeah the skill looks all-powerful when you DONT have itbut if you get a chance to use it then you will know theres many disadvantages to it that dont make it as great as you would like to believe. if a guy sits and meditates infront of his target, its only for show, not to regain force. its for the simple fact, meditate just isnt that fast or that good neither.
I'm fully aware of what stasis is like. I've tested it with my jedi and as a BH it is my biggest pain. Its not the meditate and force regen that is the pain. Its the mind regen. I'll get a guy just about dead with his mind down. Then he does stasis and then sits (meditates) and boom its like starting over at the begining of the fight. I'll get his mind down again. Then the 30sec immunity runs out just in time for him to do it again.
They can do this to stalemate a fight that they cant win and they can use it to escape any time they want. Don't downplay its effectivness.
Amil wrote:
hamhamthe3rd wrote:
some things to say about stasis, its just not that cool. yes you can stasis a guy and wait for combat to break THEN you can sit and meditate but you have only about 10 sec left on the stasis and then your target will be free to shoot you again. also he gains 30 sec immunity to it and even after the immunity, stasis LOVES to miss. when it does, it still costs force and goes through its cooldown.
so yeah the skill looks all-powerful when you DONT have itbut if you get a chance to use it then you will know theres many disadvantages to it that dont make it as great as you would like to believe. if a guy sits and meditates infront of his target, its only for show, not to regain force. its for the simple fact, meditate just isnt that fast or that good neither.
I'm fully aware of what stasis is like. I've tested it with my jedi and as a BH it is my biggest pain. Its not the meditate and force regen that is the pain. Its the mind regen. I'll get a guy just about dead with his mind down. Then he does stasis and then sits (meditates) and boom its like starting over at the begining of the fight. I'll get his mind down again. Then the 30sec immunity runs out just in time for him to do it again.
They can do this to stalemate a fight that they cant win and they can use it to escape any time they want. Don't downplay its effectivness.
But you are right to say its not cool. It makes a fight not fun at all.
I will admit though in group pvp it is pretty much useless because of all the other group members /dueling eachother. That should be fixed.
Durzel wrote:
Cloak has far reaching consequences than just avoiding BH, and I'm saying that as someone who is MPowers and uses cloak religiously.
I have been sat in Theed and 3 overt Rebels have literally just appeared out of thin air and ganked someone who had recently gone overt nearby. As soon as they killed said Imperial they disappeared again, waiting for the next victim.
If you can't see how that is more influential in PvP than anything in any of the other trees then you need your head examined, and the fact it is attainable from ONE line in Powers just makes it completely unbalanced.
To use your analogy, it would be like Aura alone making someone impossible to kill, or Power Attack in LS being a one-shot killer, or Advanced Force Heal healing all damage, states and debuffs.
If it were moved to MPowers, all of the ganking would disappear overnight - plus MBHs would actually have a much lower ratio of Jedi who cloak n' run as soon as they appear (although I still would, because I'd still be MPowers)
You're right. Who wants to pvp when someone can just appear and pretty much kill you instantly?
IntrepidNews wrote:
Durzel wrote:
Cloak has far reaching consequences than just avoiding BH, and I'm saying that as someone who is MPowers and uses cloak religiously.
I have been sat in Theed and 3 overt Rebels have literally just appeared out of thin air and ganked someone who had recently gone overt nearby. As soon as they killed said Imperial they disappeared again, waiting for the next victim.
If you can't see how that is more influential in PvP than anything in any of the other trees then you need your head examined, and the fact it is attainable from ONE line in Powers just makes it completely unbalanced.
To use your analogy, it would be like Aura alone making someone impossible to kill, or Power Attack in LS being a one-shot killer, or Advanced Force Heal healing all damage, states and debuffs.
If it were moved to MPowers, all of the ganking would disappear overnight - plus MBHs would actually have a much lower ratio of Jedi who cloak n' run as soon as they appear (although I still would, because I'd still be MPowers
You're right. Who wants to pvp when someone can just appear and pretty much kill you instantly?
I say it again... if you go overt at so popular places, you're totally dumb. No jedi can stay cloaked at the imperial or rebel outpost, why don't you go overt there?
Message Edited by KaliMaul on 09-05-2005 08:42 PM
KaliMaul wrote:
IntrepidNews wrote:
Durzel wrote:
Cloak has far reaching consequences than just avoiding BH, and I'm saying that as someone who is MPowers and uses cloak religiously.
I have been sat in Theed and 3 overt Rebels have literally just appeared out of thin air and ganked someone who had recently gone overt nearby. As soon as they killed said Imperial they disappeared again, waiting for the next victim.
If you can't see how that is more influential in PvP than anything in any of the other trees then you need your head examined, and the fact it is attainable from ONE line in Powers just makes it completely unbalanced.
To use your analogy, it would be like Aura alone making someone impossible to kill, or Power Attack in LS being a one-shot killer, or Advanced Force Heal healing all damage, states and debuffs.
If it were moved to MPowers, all of the ganking would disappear overnight - plus MBHs would actually have a much lower ratio of Jedi who cloak n' run as soon as they appear (although I still would, because I'd still be MPowers
You're right. Who wants to pvp when someone can just appear and pretty much kill you instantly?
I say it again... if you go overt at so popular places, you're totally dumb. No jedi can stay cloaked at the imperial or rebel outpost, why don't you go overt there?
Message Edited by KaliMaul on 09-05-2005 08:42 PM
You're right. Why pvp ever?