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Blixtev wrote:

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Alixir wrote:

Blixtev ruined the game

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Folks like me do not get to make those kind of calls. People who script/code are very similar to plumbers. If the bosses wants us to put a toilet in the center of the living room, we redirect the pipes, dig a hole and install that toilet in the center of the living room. I may be able to put one of those cakes in it that turns the water blue, but that toilet is going in the center of the living room.

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No, Blixtev. We know (well, most of us do) you didnt ruin the game. What ruined the game is lacking two-way communication between the game designers and the players, "fixing" aspects of the game that players did not consider broken or pushing out new (non-free) expansions while neglecting things that are broken in the players eyes, sometimes even pushing things live after the players explicitely stated they dont want it, and the choice made somewhere along the line to balance the game by nerfing the conceived over-powered professions instead of improving the conceived underpowered ones, changing skills people started to rely on and spending their xp on, making them feel robbed.

The state of the game now:
- The devs are perceived to make a game for themselves instead of for the players to have fun in.
- The player base is up in arms against fellow players because they know a lot of whining about X will cause X to get nerfed instead of Y to be improved. Its about who whines most to get the most dev attention.
- The players dont look forward to publishes since more than likely a publish will contain more nerfs than fixes.
- CS department administers the customers instead of engaging in conversations with them, perceived to censor as much negative feedback as they can, driving customers away from the game.

All this is either wanted or not recognized by the people high up the ladder, and nothing is done about it.
All of the above has been happening to other MMORPGs already, and it will happen to more MMORPGs after SWG is gone. This is a nice read about it.

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Blixtev wrote:

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Alixir wrote:

Blixtev ruined the game

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Folks like me do not get to make those kind of calls. People who script/code arevery similar toplumbers. If the bosses wantsus to put a toilet in the center of the living room, we redirect the pipes, dig a hole and install that toilet in the center of the living room. I may be able to put one of those cakes in it that turns the water blue, but that toilet is going in the center of the living room.

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a toilet is a good analogy but thanks for the blue cakes

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Blixtev wrote:

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Alixir wrote:

Blixtev ruined the game

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Folks like me do not get to make those kind of calls. People who script/code are very similar to plumbers. If the bosses wants us to put a toilet in the center of the living room, we redirect the pipes, dig a hole and install that toilet in the center of the living room. I may be able to put one of those cakes in it that turns the water blue, but that toilet is going in the center of the living room.

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Devs, just say it more often and maybe then pople would stop calling you names and direct their hate towards those who are really responsible for the best game being turned into a toilen in a living room.

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Blixtev wrote:

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Alixir wrote:

Blixtev ruined the game

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Folks like me do not get to make those kind of calls. People who script/code arevery similar toplumbers. If the bosses wantsus to put a toilet in the center of the living room, we redirect the pipes, dig a hole and install that toilet in the center of the living room. I may be able to put one of those cakes in it that turns the water blue, but that toilet is going in the center of the living room.

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Message Edited by Helios-IV on 10-22-2005 05:16 AM

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Goomesh wrote:

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Blixtev wrote:

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Alixir wrote:

Blixtev ruined the game

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Folks like me do not get to make those kind of calls. People who script/code arevery similar toplumbers. If the bosses wantsus to put a toilet in the center of the living room, we redirect the pipes, dig a hole and install that toilet in the center of the living room. I may be able to put one of those cakes in it that turns the water blue, but that toilet is going in the center of the living room.

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I feel you here Blixtev, although I am not a game developer (client/server apps here), I completely understand this statement. I have see a lot of posts saying that the devs need to step up and say "This isn't right", well, I am sure you guys do. What the general public fails to understand is this, it doesn't do any good. There are politics and ego's at work here.

The problem is way above the "code monkey's", even above the"code monkey's"managers.There is an executive calling the shots and its pretty obvious he/she is completely out of touch with their customers and it's sad. The thing that is more sad than that is the fact they don'thave a cluehow out of touch they really are. The constant review of revenue figures blinds executive level management and keeps them from seeing "what could be" instead of "what is".

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Blixtev wrote:

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Alixir wrote:

Blixtev ruined the game

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Folks like me do not get to make those kind of calls. People who script/code arevery similar toplumbers. If the bosses wantsus to put a toilet in the center of the living room, we redirect the pipes, dig a hole and install that toilet in the center of the living room. I may be able to put one of those cakes in it that turns the water blue, but that toilet is going in the center of the living room.

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So you are doing codes and have no ways to change any decisions about games mechanisms ?

If you are telling the truth that means we have zero communication with anyone responsable from close about the game and what is going on in it .

It means a slap in the face of customers to make them believe they can have any interaction with persons reponsable of the development of the game or dare asking them for feedback knowing it will have ZERO impact on the persons changing the game mechanisms.

That being said its fun to see how BHs power increased since you joined the team .

Or it means you are not that powerless into the development . Either way I dont think its a pretty way to treat customers .

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Blixtev wrote:

Folks like me do not get to make those kind of calls. People who script/code arevery similar toplumbers. If the bosses wantsus to put a toilet in the center of the living room, we redirect the pipes, dig a hole and install that toilet in the center of the living room. I may be able to put one of those cakes in it that turns the water blue, but that toilet is going in the center of the living room.

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I can understand where your comeing from beinga carpenter. A few years ago I built a house for the owner of one of the companys I build for. The blueprint showed the closet opening oneway, so thats how I built it. The wife wanted it opening another way soI turned it that way. The husband wanted itopening another way, so I turned it yet again. The wife didn'tlike it opening that wayso I turned it back how she wanted it. In the end Imoved this closet opening 5 different times and in the end it ended upright back how I had framed it the 1st time.

So if your just a puppet, who's pulling the strings and why don't they ever actually interact with us?

Message Edited by Ice-Cold on 10-22-2005 02:02 PM

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gera wrote:

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Goomesh wrote:

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Blixtev wrote:

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Alixir wrote:

Blixtev ruined the game

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Folks like me do not get to make those kind of calls. People who script/code arevery similar toplumbers. If the bosses wantsus to put a toilet in the center of the living room, we redirect the pipes, dig a hole and install that toilet in the center of the living room. I may be able to put one of those cakes in it that turns the water blue, but that toilet is going in the center of the living room.

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I feel you here Blixtev, although I am not a game developer (client/server apps here), I completely understand this statement. I have see a lot of posts saying that the devs need to step up and say "This isn't right", well, I am sure you guys do. What the general public fails to understand is this, it doesn't do any good. There are politics and ego's at work here.

The problem is way above the "code monkey's", even above the"code monkey's"managers.There is an executive calling the shots and its pretty obvious he/she is completely out of touch with their customers and it's sad. The thing that is more sad than that is the fact they don'thave a cluehow out of touch they really are. The constant review of revenue figures blinds executive level management and keeps them from seeing "what could be" instead of "what is".

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Any more licks mate? You obviously did not work in a development company before...Hmm, nearly 11 years of development under my belt, the last 8 in a fortune 500 company...I have been around the block a few times therebud.

Bosses never tells you details, they tell you final image, in this case "They wanted a toilet in the house", it is Developers decision where to put it or make its water blue or not. Developers / coders are paid to think details.. you obviously don't work for a large corporation,you would be surprised at how much a coder gonemanager will poke his nose in where it doesn't belong.

Boss wants an Expansion in an X theme, and they dont care if Y item drops from there or Z location has good spawns or R proffession overrides others. Its all DEVELOPERS.. /agree to a point. A bad decision then becomes a "bug" and bugs don't get fixed because you have to log your time on new development.....it's the boss that decides what you work on and that's my point. The point you obviously missed.

Why bosses talk here is because they have to face community because of Developments idiotic decisions.

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Blixtev wrote:

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Alixir wrote:

Blixtev ruined the game

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Folks like me do not get to make those kind of calls. People who script/code arevery similar toplumbers. If the bosses wantsus to put a toilet in the center of the living room, we redirect the pipes, dig a hole and install that toilet in the center of the living room. I may be able to put one of those cakes in it that turns the water blue, but that toilet is going in the center of the living room.

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Well said

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Ponikvar wrote:

I was a BH all the way, but who whined for forced PVP?,

• No one did. No one has every whinned for "forced" PvP.


• All Core Bounty Hunters have every really wanted, and asked for thousands of times, is a Player Bounty System that is voluntary

who whined for Jedi marks?

• No one did.


• When Jedi came out, that was the system. There were no Bounty Hunter whinning for Jedi to be introduced into the game so that we had someone to hunt.

When the jedi had a LS that the MOVIE portayed as a unblockable weapon, who whined to get it changed?

• First, this isn't a movie.


• If you want LS block like then movie then I vote that you can have it. But then again, you should also die when one shots hits you too, just like the movie. In that case, having a 95% block rate would be fair.


• Pretty stupid arguement don't you think?

So lets Break down Jedi Vs BH.

1. Most jedi just wanted to be jedi because of the SW movies- Not to be a UBER ELITE PVP Masters.

• Probably, but that doesn't change what is. The overall problem with "Jedi" is that it is a perminate FoTM template bu design. That is why most people do not like it. It creates a HUGE imbalance, weither you are getting because you just liked it in the movie or because you are a core PvPer, the results are the same.


• It is no different then the BH/CM templates today, or the CM templates of old, or the Melee Stackers of old. Wait, it is different because those templates were not intended to be Uber and Jedi is.

2.BH's have managed to somewhat quitely convince the SWG community that Jedi ruined the game when---- JEDI were introduced to give the BH whine that they needed PVP jedi to hunt a rest.

• This is where your entire arguement is baseless. Jedi were introduced because people were quiting the game at an amazing rate and they rush out jedi (with the ultra power profession grind) to keep people playing.


• The fact that you think Bounty Hunter's were whinning for the introduction of Jedi is laughable. You would know the facts if you were here when Jedi were introduced. Well, I was here. We wanted, and most of the community wanted, a "player bounty system".


• SoE rolled out Jedi and linked them to Bounty Hunters to EVERYONES shock.


• Know the facts!

3. Jedi made themselves a Target when the little school kid decided to wave around his glowstick in the C-net starport every chance he got while the Dr.s where buffing, driving the jealously factor through the roof. No one wanted to hologrind, no one wanted the current jedi grind along with the CL80 grind.

• It is not a "jealousy" issue. It is the idea of a predetermined "I WIN" profession that is increasing at an amazing rate.


• Grinding Jedi is not hard, it is just a function of time.


• If you want to be a Jedi, you can get there in about3 months and level it in 3 months.

4. In all This SOE could have solved this JEDI VIS issue, Im talking the idiots running around with a LS in populated areas, by having NPC bounty hunters, that caused a LOSS of XP.

• NPC Bounty Hunters are not the answer. During the "GCW Revamp" they stated that Jedi would spawm Uber NPCs, but they (as usual) never deleavered.

4a. However SOE allowed players to punish players with the JEDI only loss of XP.

• Again, know your timeline and the facts


• XP loss was orginally for all deaths (actually it was perma-death, but you probably don't remember that). But they changed the XP loss to ONLY be for Bounty Missions.


• This was not because of anything Bouny Hunters asked for.

Now if we follow the movie/book script we will find that OWK, took out the best BH in the galaxy and OBK wasnt a master or guardian.

• Funny, last I checked if you followed the movies you Jedi would not be in the game

Point very very BH's possessed the skills to kill jedi. SOE should implement a loss of BH standing or XP. Make a BH that losses unable to pick jedi missions, or lose that Master BH box that is so hard to get.

• XP loss is linked to Uber Power. If you want BH to lose XP, then give them the 1.5x power.

5. Lets be honest its a BH skewed world out there. WE can buy 200mil suits of armor, we can buy a sick weapon... the best a jedi can do is a 700dam saber. WE can prebuff and easily get our health to 6000k+ with a crystal. Then we pick the time and place. We can heal like a doc and the Devs keep giving us more. If you arent happy with this then I recommend you STOP USING MBH FOR YOUR JEDI GRIND, and start scouting. I hear the FS XP is 8:1

• ROFL


• You are a typical Jedi. You are tunnel visioned. The basis of your arguement is flawed, but you arguement very funny as a result.


• You obviously just got owned by a Bounty Hunter

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Message Edited by rYsyn on 10-22-2005 09:25 AM

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Blixtev wrote:

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Alixir wrote:

Blixtev ruined the game

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Folks like me do not get to make those kind of calls. People who script/code arevery similar toplumbers. If the bosses wantsus to put a toilet in the center of the living room, we redirect the pipes, dig a hole and install that toilet in the center of the living room. I may be able to put one of those cakes in it that turns the water blue, but that toilet is going in the center of the living room.

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Good thing ya put that toilet there, because now that this game has turned to crap, you'll be able to flush it down.....

I just hope you coded a BIG plunger, because there's ALOT of crap to be flushed!