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Thread: The New Patch BH love ? NO !
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
slave138 wrote:
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
slave138 wrote:
I don't think selective reading is limited to a single profession. Case in point - Jedi crying about healing abilities being reduced but completely ignoring that almost everything else was being improved for them in Pub 19. Here's the difference: BH's aren't getting anything positive from this at all.
Being able to initiate a TEF on someone else and force them not to be able to enter a safe zone is a positive.
No, it's a fix to how things were SUPPOSED to be in the first place (see the "supposed to" strikes again...) Not to mention, any benefit the BH would get from this is negated by the name policy. If a hunter has to get within 80m before he/she can even identify the target, the Jedi has ample time to escape or prepare for battle.
It doesn't matter how things are supposed to be. It matters how things are. It wasn't there. It is now. THAT is a positive. The name thing is a completely different issue. You don't have to have their name to apply the TEF. I feel ya on the pain of the name thing, but that's completely different.
We can debate this as much as you like, but I refuse to give a gold star for an exploit fix. If you want to use it as any sort of an advantage, being able to get the TEF before the target knows you're after him is essential. Not knowing which target in a sea of MOBs and players is yours makes that 'bonus' pretty meaningless.
Marks will potentially be worth MORE than just their skillpoints * 1000 now. Take a full template (226,000) who hasn't been killed for a while and the bonus puts it (when combined with the normal pay) over 226,000.
Potentially does not mean *are*. You still have to survive long enough to collect and once again, the inability to research your target along with losing any benefit of surprise makes it that much less likely you'll survive to collect. Would you consider it a positive if amazing quality pearls started dropping from CL120 SBDs (1.5x Jedi CL for those counting)but you could only fight them solo?
Ok, I hear you. I don't know any Jedi who've solo'd a 120 SBD, although I'm sure it's happened. I do know BH's who've solo'd 226k marks.
And I will bet you 9 times out of 10 those BHs didn't have to figure out their strategy 80m from their target.
Consider. 150k Jedi that runs and /cloaks and hides. You finally nail him and collect 180k. That's not positive?
He can remain cloaked until the TEF is gone and then walk quietly back to his home - so no, I don't consider that a positive.
Message Edited by Leatherneck_of_Alderaan on 07-08-200511:52 AM
Message Edited by slave138 on 07-08-2005 03:56 PM
Tailors have been "nerfed" (broken is more like it)since shortly after CU. And we didn't even get a heads up. So quit the whining and support your friendly neighborhood tailor and buy blue and gold hawtpants!! Oh yeah...GO Bolts!!
Pika
Tailor
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hehe as someone who hates bounty hunters.... threads like these sure do make me smile woot...
Biffhammer wrote:
Oh come on guys, bh has gotten alot of love, especially when cu came out.
This latest one isnt bad. Actually pub 20 adds a bunch of thigns we have been asking for such as the faction on the terms and only online jedi. However this 100% total anonymity is just dumb. Im prolly gona be hunting a friend or a guild member now. Copies of this game should have came with jar of vacsline!
Message Edited by Vlamr on 07-09-2005 06:44 AM
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
slave138 wrote:
When it's a matter of fixing a bug being exploited by Jedi, yes. Unless it is a negative for the Jedi exploiting the bug, then it is not positive for us. All that says is that the Devs don't care if Jedi are exploiting and will get around to fixing it when they feel like it. A bug-fix is not an improvement for a profession.
You mean like when for a long time Jedi weren't getting off the terminals?
BHs that exploited the bug should have been banned.That said,it is a lot harder to prove this type of bug is being exploited since they cannot be expected to guess which Jedi were already killed by another hunter or managed to gain enough visibility to get back n the terminals.
No? Ok, you must mean then about how the Dev's have rushed to have decently tuning pearls dropping since the CU?
I'm sorry there is a bug hurting your profession, but I don't see anyone exploiting that.
No? Those aren't shining examples?
No, not really...
How about BH's who would /duel their opponent so they couldn't fight back?
They should be banned as should Jedi using /duel to see if a hunter is after them. Would you say this kind of bug-fix is an improvement for the Jedi profession, or the correction of problem that never should have been an issue in the first place?
Good. Jedi don't act like Jedi enough as it is. Giving them first strike would make about as much sense as a BH taking a mission for an indeterminate payout targetting an unknown person that he will"just know" when he/she sees them.
They don'tneed first strike. That's thepart of the balancethat helps a BH take out an opponent that's supposed to be 1.5 times more powerful than they are. That has nothing to do with the fact that, unless they've battled before, they won't know what strategy their opponent intends to use.
The first shot hardly evens out a 50% bonus (unless it'sa successful Last Ditch, I suppose...) which was my point. To level the field, a hunter could stalk and study their prey - this is no longer possible.
Plenty of Paddies don't have a clue what they are doing.
That doesn't make them any less dead. It's not like a BH doesn't get paid if they DB a clueless Paddy.
They're not getting anything extra if the twit keeps getting killed, either.
They dropped all the non-Jedi skills that could save them because they thought they couldn't use them anymore.
No, that's not why. It's because when the CU first hit some BRILLIANT souls told them to drop their CL so it would be easier to grind, failing to realise that a Cl 15 that gets a blue kill will still get less exp than a CL 80 who gets a blue kill.
Details, details - the point is, they did something stupid that put them at a disadvantage when dealing with BHs. Did SOE force them to do it? No. Did BH force them to dump their skills? No. Sorry, but stupid is stupid. I know I wouldn't dump all of my skills just on someone else's say-so.
There area few inept fully templated Jedi, too, and that's now. Pub 20 will make it all the easier for Jedi to win or escape any BH that comes their way. Sorry, but I don't see that as a positive thing for BH...
How is the potential for increased payout going to help Paddies escape? That IS what we were talking about. Paddies will die. Some paddies who are good at escape and evasion will die. The person who downs them will get a payout that's greater than what they get under the current system. How is increased payout NOT a positive?
I'll agree the increase in payout is a plus with the understanding that most hunters will be making less overall. I'm sure it will be a boon for certain members of the profession, but I'm also sure it will not be a plus for the profession as a whole.
I think the other thingswould begreat but are almost completely negated by the stupid name crap. As long as they give the name SOMETIME before we're right on top of the target, it would be wonderful, but otherwise it's just chocolate-coating on a sh!t-sandwich.
Vlamr wrote:
Biffhammer wrote:
Oh come on guys, bh has gotten alot of love, especially when cu came out.
This latest one isnt bad. Actually pub 20 adds a bunch of thigns we have been asking for such as the faction on the terms and only online jedi. However this 100% total anonymity is just dumb. Im prolly gona be hunting a friend or a guild member now. Copies of this game should have came with jar of vacsline!
Message Edited by Vlamr on 07-09-2005 06:44 AM