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Thread: New /duel fix gives away our missions.

truewildman
Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:27 am
#53

Unbelievable.



As a BH, I'm ashamed of you guys. And you claim that jedi whine? Sure, Luke did. But BH's are hardened. When some obstacle presents itself, you quietly adapt, and ingenuity kills your mark!


C'mon! Jedi read these boards and all they are seeing right now is a buch of whiners! Suck it up and adapt!


And for the one whining that now they have to change they're "proven method", have you ever actually hunted? Even against dumb animals like deer and elk, there is no "proven method". You track your mark, then adjust your "method" to take the kill.


This is no different. Get out there and freaking hunt, and quit ruining the name us long-time BH's are trying to make for ourselves!







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OuttaControl108
Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:30 pm
#54



Jedi_Xan wrote:

heheh.... hey guys.... just fyi

what if the jedi /duels you, and you dont have his mission. uh hmm.






Lemme guess?

You do /duel

They do /endduel

You cry?



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WittyNewt
Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:22 pm
#55






STLpMpNu wrote:





WittyNewt wrote:







BDragon wrote:
Sorry to tell you this, but smart exploiting jedi could tell if you had their mission before CU anyway. If you tried to trade with a BH who had your mission, it wouldnt allow you to I guess that trick wasnt passed on to the newer Jedi...





There fixed it for you


I would consider both the trade issue you posted above and the new duel issue to be bugs, so technically using a bug to get gain advantage is exploiting . Of course, we will have to wait for the devs to confirm these are actually bugs but given that they very clearly stated during fan fest that the main BH advantage was the element of surprise when they were talking about limiting jedi missions to 1 BH only, these bugs rather negate the value of that statement don't they



Message Edited by WittyNewt on 06-16-200509:00 PM




So your saying now that a jedi can find out wether you have his mission when you in a wat 70 meter range? But you can track him through friend list when he signs on and off yah sounds fair to me.






Hmm,
Not quite sure what you point is here. I am saying that a jedi using a duel macro can know whether I have a mission on him/her if he/she gets within duel range. I am also making the following points in addition, but maybe not as plainly as I have chosen to state again below:

1.A dev said quite recently at fanfest that he was unhappy with the 5 to 1 BH to jedi mission situation. He would prefer a 1 to 1 situation and he also stated in support of this idea that the element of surprise and the ability of the BH to choose their moment to fight was a big advantage.

2. Using the duel bug to determine if a BH has a mission on you could be thought of as an exploit since the definition of an exploit is to use a bug to gain an unfair advantage.

3. If the bug is not fixed then point 1 above cannot be implemented since the BH advantage has been removed Of course the devs can do anything they like, but at the time of point 1 being made public there were lots of posts on the BHand the jedi forum discussing the pros and cons of such a scenario, as usual with BH vs jedi discussions I don't think agreement was reached


As to your final quip about the friends list, I am struggling to see the comparison here. Do you know what advantage a BH gets from knowing a jedi is online from having him/her on their friends list? I'll tell you, saves them about 2 mins of gameplay.


Ican find out whether a jedi is online or not using a tracker droid, when I try to launch one it will tell me if my bio sig target is offline. Of course, to launch a droid I need to be out of NPC city bounds, a 2min swoop ride at most.


Having a jedi on my friends list for a moment while I check their online status certainly does not give me the ability to track them unless they also have me on their friends list I will leave it to you to decide whether this might be a rather silly thing for the jedi to do.





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truewildman
Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:51 pm
#56

Ashamed, I tell you!!





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WittyNewt
Fri Jun 17, 2005 5:01 pm
#57

Lol, I hate that noob word, especially when its thrown out by someone who registered less than 2 months ago about the thread author who registered 16 months ago






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Yoshiyuki
Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:27 pm
#58






WittyNewt wrote:

Lol, I hate that noob word, especially when its thrown out by someone who registered less than 2 months ago about the thread author who registered 16 months ago







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STLpMpNu
Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:03 am
#59






WittyNewt wrote:







BDragon wrote:
Sorry to tell you this, but smart exploiting jedi could tell if you had their mission before CU anyway. If you tried to trade with a BH who had your mission, it wouldnt allow you to I guess that trick wasnt passed on to the newer Jedi...





There fixed it for you


I would consider both the trade issue you posted above and the new duel issue to be bugs, so technically using a bug to get gain advantage is exploiting . Of course, we will have to wait for the devs to confirm these are actually bugs but given that they very clearly stated during fan fest that the main BH advantage was the element of surprise when they were talking about limiting jedi missions to 1 BH only, these bugs rather negate the value of that statement don't they



Message Edited by WittyNewt on 06-16-2005 09:00 PM



So your saying now that a jedi can find out wether you have his mission when you in a wat 70 meter range? But you can track him through friend list when he signs on and off yah sounds fair to me.




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STLpMpNu
Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:07 am
#60






OhBuggah wrote:







kagegod wrote:

How many of you have had this be an issue for you since it was released? How many of had their element of surprise stripped from them?


Seriously I'm ashamed to be a BH sometimes - especially when other BH's reduce themselves to sniveling the sort of Jedi.






I had this issue affectme this morning at the Rryatt Trail. There was a group of 6 Jedi down there exploiting the wookiees on the Webweaver Path. Usually when I stumble upon my mark I roleplay for a bit, talk a bit, earn the Jedi's trust -- pretend I'm there for the grinding, waiting for the Jedi to show a moment of weakness. But today as soon as I got there I got bombarded with /duel requests, and the Jedi I had the mission on knew I was there for him. There was no roleplaying to be had. There was no challenge of wits. You can't pretend to be grinding. Nothing. He knew I was there for him as such, he stood at alert the entire time, never letting his guard down. Never letting his force get too low.


This might not affect the PvP bounty hunters who always go in guns ablazing without any thoughtand have no concept of what roleplaying is, but to bounty hunters who actually roleplay a bounty hunter, and ACT like a bounty hunter, this bungle totally breaks any opportunity to play a role. It's akin to just announcing that you're there to kill someone upfront. How many people would invite a stranger into his house who told them upfront that he's there to kill him?


Also, why do you think the Jedi who bombard the BH with duel requests do it? It's because it helps them. It lets them know to be on alert or not. If it was no big deal, then the Jedi wouldn't be bombarding the BH with /duel requests.


I don't know why the Devs never even foresaw this happening. It's like none of them are forward thinking.



Message Edited by OhBuggah on 06-16-2005 05:22 PM



Maura you are aware that you are that they are not exploiting they are just grinding in a group. Same as what dancer/musicians do They are not useing any bugs to there advantage so your idea of exploiting is wrong. At least now you can actually get a kill from my understading you were a rather large newb when it comes to hunting jedi.




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Eol-Von
Mon Jun 27, 2005 10:49 pm
#61

u sir a moron. enough said



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Eol-Von
Mon Jun 27, 2005 10:52 pm
#62

lol u know how dumb u sound? go cry to mommie.. MAYBE she cares.



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Cada_Kai
Mon Jun 27, 2005 10:55 pm
#63

ok heres a hint to you from a jedi.



Jedi are melee


BHs are ranged.


Why are you even close to him before you attack?


The /duel thing isnt killing your hunt.... you are.





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The_Shruberer
Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:54 pm
#64






Cada_Kai wrote:

ok heres a hint to you from a jedi.



Jedi are melee


BHs are ranged.


Why are you even close to him before you attack?


The /duel thing isnt killing your hunt.... you are.







Actually they can /duel you form their grinding spot in teh middle of the island to the end of any nearby bridge. Doesn't seem to have a range anymore.



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