Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: BH Vs Jedi : risk vs reward. A balanced discussion
Romulus76 wrote:
1350 is a horrible pvp rating for a jedi or your other character. My pvprating on my jedi fluctuates between 1680 and 2000 depending on the gank wars and my bh pvprating fluctuates between 1500 and 1600. 1350 IS to just be thrown out. Sorry.
Well Im sorry thaty my PvP rankings arent up to your standerds. My BH dies to alot of the jedi he hunts, but I guess Im just not as Uber as YOUR BH who must win all the time against his marks. As for my Jedi, I do ALOT of group PvP since I finished my temp, and becuase of my temp, Im on the forfront of the assualt and usually get takin out first as a main target. So sorry Im not up to YOUR standerds with my PvP abilities.
The risk vs reward HAS lessend. Jesus you want more? Let's take a look at what's been lessened shall we? Permadeath - gone. SaberTEF - gone. Skill box loss - gone. XP loss from cloning - gone. Jedi names on terminals to prevent reoccuring missions - gone. Please. The most any jedi can lose from a bh deathblow is 452k xp at a full 226 skillpoint template. I can make that in less than an hour in a spinattack/dervish group on my jedi. And what about Kash? You know how friggin insane it is to find a jedi on kash? 6 instances of the rryatt trail (granted usually at wookie camp), 8 instances of the myydrill caverns, not to mention the avatar platform and other CL 78+ area's where our seekers can't track. Come on man, the jedi grind is easy now. It's more difficult to get from newb to jedi initiate then it is to go from jedi padawan to full template.
And once again, I need to inform you that nothing in my idea changes the risk / reward of a Jedi. Nothing. You all keep agruing about changing jedi risk. I never asked to. Not once.
What risk should we have? We don't get a free extra toon on the server for being bounty hunters. We're a normal profession. We don't have inate armor, we don't have very effective escape methods (cloak, force run), we don't have a cool extra level of content such as the FRS (which will be returned in the not too distant future to jedi). Come on man. I guess normal professions should have more risk too then huh? Like CL 1 crafters don't already have a pain in the ass time of getting to their harvesters and factories. And sorry, bounty hunter is NOT a strictly pvp profession. It does not say in our description "MUST hunt jedi", in the jedi profession it does say "will have to defend themselves from bounty hunters and other jedi". Please, BH's can no longer bring gank squads, etc, we need no further risk then the fact that we have no clue who we're going after now nor what to prepare for till we get the name back from a seeker, provided it doesn't bug out and not return the name.
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Your NOT a normal profession. How can you say Bounty hunters are? Your ther only profession that can pull PvP at anytime THEY want. Come on now.
As per above, you most certainlly DO have a cool extra level of content like the FRS! You are the only profession with PLAYER BOUNTY's . Lord!
No it doesnt say you have to hunt jedi, so the risk involved in my idea above would be moot to you. You wouldnt have any negative side effects at all if YOU DONT HUNT JEDI.
Jedi vs. BH is more balanced now than it ever has been since the inception of holocrons and player bounties. Having both a jedi and a bh, I for one can say that I'm sick of jedi crying about the jedi vs bh system. I'm sick of jedi crying about getting nerfed. The devs are FIXING what they BROKE with holocrons and then Publish 9. Jedi should have NEVER been an alpha/god class. It has caused more problems, hate and exploiting than any other profession in this game.
Again, didnt ask for any nerfs to BH, didnt ask for more power to Jedi. Didnt ask for them to remove XP loss from Jedi when they die. I didnt ask for ANY of that! What I said was " Jedi have a risk vs reward to being hunted, bounty hunters have a reward to hunting, but no risk. Here is an idea to add some risk that may also prove to be a form of content for the Bounty Hunter ". THATS what I said,.
im sorry but that is the biggest pile of crap ive ever heard. Bh have no loss?
the primary importance to a player in this game is credits. credits to buy equipment to do as they need with it.
after the sologroup nerrf iwas mjorly pissed off i had no source of income anymore. i left the game pre cu hoping the economy would sort itself out. come back cu time to find my proffs nerfed to crap when we were promised comando would be as good as any other profession a supposed high damage dealer. more lies.
so i left the game for a further period, coming back only in the lats month or 2. i had one day for my respec letf and i thought "hey the only viabale way to make enough cash to afford armour weps and the like is bh. 200k or so for doing a jedi. so i respecd bh and kept comando out of loylaty to my favoured proff. but that didnt work raped by jedi everytime. so i grind out carbineer and now cm 4000 im still being raped daily. i ahvent beaten a jedi yet so i dont know where you get this idea that bh are as strong as jedi and we have no loss. in the short time ive been back ive been throu 3.5 suits of armour a fortune wasted on droids busted weapons and wasted time.
as far as im concerned ive got more to lose than a jedi. esp as i pull full temp master defenders 99.9 % of the time xp can be regained and they lose no cahs or armour not needing any easy for them to continue their exploits in the game do whatever quest tehy like etc. when a suit of armour costs millions npc missions and hunting missions just dont cover the damage.
Ah forget it.
Message Edited by _Apache on 09-23-2005 12:38 AM
Message Edited by _Apache on 09-23-2005 12:40 AM
DarkImitation wrote:
Romulus76 wrote:
1350 is a horrible pvp rating for a jedi or your other character. My pvprating on my jedi fluctuates between 1680 and 2000 depending on the gank wars and my bh pvprating fluctuates between 1500 and 1600. 1350 IS to just be thrown out. Sorry.
Well Im sorry thaty my PvP rankings arent up to your standerds. My BH dies to alot of the jedi he hunts, but I guess Im just not as Uber as YOUR BH who must win all the time against his marks. As for my Jedi, I do ALOT of group PvP since I finished my temp, and becuase of my temp, Im on the forfront of the assualt and usually get takin out first as a main target. So sorry Im not up to YOUR standerds with my PvP abilities.
The risk vs reward HAS lessend. Jesus you want more? Let's take a look at what's been lessened shall we? Permadeath - gone. SaberTEF - gone. Skill box loss - gone. XP loss from cloning - gone. Jedi names on terminals to prevent reoccuring missions - gone. Please. The most any jedi can lose from a bh deathblow is 452k xp at a full 226 skillpoint template. I can make that in less than an hour in a spinattack/dervish group on my jedi. And what about Kash? You know how friggin insane it is to find a jedi on kash? 6 instances of the rryatt trail (granted usually at wookie camp), 8 instances of the myydrill caverns, not to mention the avatar platform and other CL 78+ area's where our seekers can't track. Come on man, the jedi grind is easy now. It's more difficult to get from newb to jedi initiate then it is to go from jedi padawan to full template.
And once again, I need to inform you that nothing in my idea changes the risk / reward of a Jedi. Nothing. You all keep agruing about changing jedi risk. I never asked to. Not once.
What risk should we have? We don't get a free extra toon on the server for being bounty hunters. We're a normal profession. We don't have inate armor, we don't have very effective escape methods (cloak, force run), we don't have a cool extra level of content such as the FRS (which will be returned in the not too distant future to jedi). Come on man. I guess normal professions should have more risk too then huh? Like CL 1 crafters don't already have a pain in the ass time of getting to their harvesters and factories. And sorry, bounty hunter is NOT a strictly pvp profession. It does not say in our description "MUST hunt jedi", in the jedi profession it does say "will have to defend themselves from bounty hunters and other jedi". Please, BH's can no longer bring gank squads, etc, we need no further risk then the fact that we have no clue who we're going after now nor what to prepare for till we get the name back from a seeker, provided it doesn't bug out and not return the name.
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Your NOT a normal profession. How can you say Bounty hunters are? Your ther only profession that can pull PvP at anytime THEY want. Come on now.
As per above, you most certainlly DO have a cool extra level of content like the FRS! You are the only profession with PLAYER BOUNTY's . Lord!
No it doesnt say you have to hunt jedi, so the risk involved in my idea above would be moot to you. You wouldnt have any negative side effects at all if YOU DONT HUNT JEDI.
Jedi vs. BH is more balanced now than it ever has been since the inception of holocrons and player bounties. Having both a jedi and a bh, I for one can say that I'm sick of jedi crying about the jedi vs bh system. I'm sick of jedi crying about getting nerfed. The devs are FIXING what they BROKE with holocrons and then Publish 9. Jedi should have NEVER been an alpha/god class. It has caused more problems, hate and exploiting than any other profession in this game.
Again, didnt ask for any nerfs to BH, didnt ask for more power to Jedi. Didnt ask for them to remove XP loss from Jedi when they die. I didnt ask for ANY of that! What I said was " Jedi have a risk vs reward to being hunted, bounty hunters have a reward to hunting, but no risk. Here is an idea to add some risk that may also prove to be a form of content for the Bounty Hunter ". THATS what I said,.
Wrong.
BH have risk.
1. Degrade to items from fighting said jedi - not every bh can fully adk his armor and weapons
2. clone degrade to items from losing - don't tell me "there's no degrade from pvp" that's a load of crap the system is bugged and I've had lots of degrade on items from pvp death.
3. mission failed - no payment, no payment - no getting the extra needs to bh jedi, no getting the extra needs - not going to be able to compete with complete templates.
4. Time spent in game tracking jedi down and fighting - jedi can run away and into a guildhall or planet hop, etc etc. BH loses his invested time in the hunt, his droids used, foods used, buffs used, etc etc. Jedi do not hunt down nor wait around for bh's, if you do then you need to /cancel cause the game has lost all it's fun for you. So again, another loss is Time Invested
Again, bh's ARE a normal profession. ANYONE can be one RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX. It doesn't matter the content, it doesn't matter that we get player bounties, ANYONE that plays for 2 days can be a bounty hunter. We DO NOT get another toon. We DO NOT get a whole quadrant of dathomir set aside for us. We have our droids borked on purpose on one of the most used Jedi planets now in kasshyyk. We do NOT get inate armor at novice bh like jedi initiates do. The fact that we can pull a mission anytime we want on a jedi does not prove we are not a normal profession, we are no matter how you want to butter it up. I'd say 75% of the bounty hunters on my server DO NOT hunt jedi.
If your bh dies to jedi alot, get better. Get better equipment and get better tactics. It is not my fault you're not good at it. The same goes for your jedi. GET BETTER. I don't care what template you have on your jedi. I have by far a FOTM template on my jedi at MLS-4004 Enhance-4000 Heal-2340 Def and I keep my pvprating above 1680, if you can't then learn your template better, but don't come here bitching about risk vs reward. BH's have enough. If you can't see it, then you need glasses.
Any risk added to the bounty hunter profession IS A NERF! They need no more than they already have so stop bringing it to these boards.
Message Edited by scoodoobydoo on 09-24-2005 09:11 PM
this is the bounty hunter forum oh thats all folks