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Thread: REMOVE PSG's from jedi's

Draacco
Sun Aug 14, 2005 12:40 pm
#53


Well, from the testing I did, I really didn't see much increase in damage as the efficiency went down from the psg.. The big kicker from what I understand is the innate armor all jedi get..


That being said, Jedi defender with no buffs and just a psg will mitigate 80% of all incoming ranged energy attacks I'm sure the damageslopes as the psg efficiency goes down but to be honest you would need to have a no action gun to overcome the efficiency of the PSG..


When the defender puts on force aura that increases their defense mods by 500.. it doesn't show up on their character screen and for the most part this does mitigate another 10-20% damage from ranged or any other damage type. THE BIG THING is the hits vs misses that the force aura gives the jedi from all types of attacks.. The miss rate goes way up even if I used pyro and jacked my ACC over 600 my miss rate was still about 50%.. Now stack Valor on top of that and its like another 10-20% miss rate.. Really hard to get into the actual damage reduction numbers but the damage was reduced even further with aura and valor.. Once a defender with PSG gets just aura on the fight is pretty much over for ranged guys.. They don't even have to put on valor and suffer the damage reduction that that buff does along with ranged defense.


HLR - 1050 max damage 41 elemental damage sac pupped 56sac

Of course this all depends on the PSG, but these are some approx. numbers I saw when I did the test set against a Full template defender with a mediocre PSG.



defender no buffs no psg - ~700 damage per hit 20 elemental damage

defender with aura - ~400 increased missrate - 20 elemental damage

defender with aura+valor ~400 but high missrate 20 elemental damage

defender with just psg knocked down ~300-350 damage max - 8 elemental damage

defender with just psg standing ~300max - 8 elemental damage

defender with psg+valor ~200 damage max - 8 elemental damage


The PSG even reduces the electrical elemental damage done by the HLR which it shouldn't..


Now given a defender with a psg and no buffs you sneak up on him and surprise him.. he has ~3000hps.. you have to shoot him 10-15 times with no heals or aura to kill him quickly.. I don't know of many guns that can do that and I don't know many master defenders that have that slow a reaction time hehe.. defender will never even have to heal just infusion to mitigate all incoming damage and maintain full hp bar once they get aura on. The PSG gives them a HUGE advantage over a surprise attack from a BH which in reality is a BH's greatest weapon.. The first strike ability is what evens out the playing field without the PSG's .. The PSG's remove that first strike from all BH's that use energy weapons.


Now I'm not going to go into how this affects NON-full template jedi.. I'm just talking about BH's that have the good gear and good weapons and good skill not being able to touch even the worst jedi defender on the planet that has a good PSG.. I really don't want to throw the MCM template into the mix .. we all know how that template works.. I'm just wanting to make it clear that ranged energy weapons are being rendered useless for BH's against jedi with good PSGs. This is forcing any BH that wants to go after the hardcore jediinto having to have MCM since 90% of all jedi have respec defender. Even then the fights last 20-30 mins and the BH loses due to mind going away.


The difference between a non psg'd defender and a psg'd defender is freaking huge vs energy ranged weapons.


nuff said.


Message Edited by Draacco on 08-14-2005 12:42 AM

cipher420
Sun Aug 14, 2005 1:12 pm
#54

i actually have only run into 2 jedi with psgs on ever, becuz most jedi who know wut they are doing is wearing a be belt with 4 sockets filled with ca's for acc spd and wutever else, not to mention psgs git torn to shreds pretty quickly, and unless its different for jedi u cant switch out armor in tha mid of a fight so once tha psg is trashed its not a factor anymore, and i dont mean this as a flame at all but if u cant outlast a psg then perhaps u need improvement on ur template, armor or weapons


one other thing to keep in mind is dieffent bh templates or more effective agaisnt certatin jedi templates than others are, for example a mcm can take down a mdeff,mls but against a m healer tha mcm stands at a drastic disadvantage


anyhow these are jus my opinions on it





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Swalex1100
Sun Aug 14, 2005 1:39 pm
#55

The way I see it, the problem isnt with PSGs, it's with Defender.




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Marssk
Sun Aug 14, 2005 1:40 pm
#56






Swalex1100 wrote:

The way I see it, the problem isnt with PSGs, it's with Defender.






defenders aint that bad



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Marssk
Sun Aug 14, 2005 1:48 pm
#57

Its just the defender/force armor/ aura/ whatever else they have stackers that bug me



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Draacco
Sun Aug 14, 2005 4:28 pm
#58


Thread was never intended to become a whine fest as some are painting it as.. and i never said nerf jedi.. just remove PSG's .. if they aren't that big a deal then what's the problem with taking them away.. huh..


Because, they are a big deal.. that's why they cry don't nerf us and that I'm being rediculous lol.. The LD-1 is Not a suitable, viable weapon against jedi.. next one that says it is post a screenie of the best LD-1 you can find so we can laugh at you.



food for thought


Eskie
Sun Aug 14, 2005 5:22 pm
#59



StabMastah wrote:
There was a time also when this forum wasn't dominated by you glostick failures too. Good greif is this the Jedi forum or something ?




There was also a time when people got suspended for calling other players "failures". Just a heads up not to start name calling.



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AnknSkywlkr
Mon Aug 15, 2005 12:01 am
#60






StabMastah wrote:


/sign



sigh.. back from a long break to find, yet again, things are NOT better then before. Just stick to the storyline with these Jedi Devs ! Blasters and PSG's ?? WTH ???





Really not wise to go for the "storyline" attack... Nothing about this game is storyline except a couple of the skins...




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StabMastah
Mon Aug 15, 2005 12:05 am
#61

There was a time also when this forum wasn't dominated by you glostick failures too. Good greif is this the Jedi forum or something ?
nufctoonfan
Mon Aug 15, 2005 12:20 am
#62






Draacco wrote:

Whine, whine, nerf, blah whine, whine.






Fixed.



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VegitoSS
Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:18 am
#63

Pay attention to your combat log. If your attacks with a rifle are not doing any damage change to a scatter or fwg. I know it sucks to result to pistols when your MRifles but its the only way. They really need to give us a kinetic weapon thats not a noob weapon. If you are wookie you have the best weapon in the game. Assault Bowcaster rifle. I wish I had one of those but I am human. So now we have to use pistols so we can do kinetic damage. It really sucks when jedi wear psg's.

sememon
Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:24 am
#64

From a bounty hunter point of view I can understand the frustration of PSG's they do make a big difference. With one on a BH will only hit me for around 200 points of damage. Take it off and that damage increase to around 500 a hit.


But look at it from a jedi point of view. Not all of us are Mdef. Those with Mdef and PSG's are very hard to take down, near impossible for an in-experienced BH. But those who only dabble in defender and those with only Force Armour a PSG is vital to surviving a BH attack.


I'm only 3440 def and PSG's have saved my kneck plenty of times in PvE and help a hell of a lot in PvP.





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Stecoli
Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:36 am
#65

i cant be bothered to read this whole post because its too long, so how about you just switch to a weapon which inflicts kinetic damage rather than energy damage.



problem solved


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