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Thread: Jedi should be uber?
HeadRoll wrote:
I've requested players on multiple occasions to pull my mission to see how many could actually get grouped together and hunt me. I've yet to know more then 3 at the same time whle placing many requests. (I also make it clear that I'm opposed to my mission being held as a form of secrutiywhich is not needed)
Exactly. 2, very possible. 3 ? Well I have tried to get a gank squad together several times with the 3 of us and I would say our success rate is in the 10 to 15 pct range or until we all just give up after refreshing the terminals over and over and over and over and over and over for a hour.
Yeah, it sucks for BH's. The only option is to practice their butts off until they are more confident in 2 v 1.
ShaikeRamjet wrote:
Seriously, why should they now? Jedi don't grind for months anymore like they say they do. A Jedi can get in a group with 7other Jedi, stand on the Ryyat Trails and earn 1000xp every 10 seconds. That's 6000 a minute, 360,000 and hour. A Novice Padawan can grind to a full-template Jedi in 2 weeks(unless his mommy grounds him from the computer during this time, then it could take longer).
2 weeks.... Where have they earned Jedi? In what part was it hard? They cry and whine saying they should be better than every other profession in every way. Why? When Jedi actually become a 6 month grind, I'll say that you earned that power.
One more thing. 5 vs 1 is so friggin rare. No, really, it's very, VERY rare. Why use that in any arguements or when you want the devs to listen to you? Are you really so desperate to be uber that you try to make things sound worse than what they really are? "Oh my god, what about all of those BH that can eat food and heal fast!?!?" News flash... Jedi can use Ruby Bliel and Stim D's as well... and guess what? It would actually be a smart thing to do seeing as how it will help you save Force points. Wow... I'm not a Jedi and I thought of that.
Ok... I'm done ranting... for now.
First, you can only get 850ish xp per kill in a group my best hour was 150k xp.
Second, to do it in that time, you would have to play for 20 hours a day, or do it AFK(which is what this rant is about) - not all Jedi grind afk there. Besides as a BH, every last afk should be continuously hunted, easy money and if they are in the cloner they are getting no xp.
Third, you can stop whining(seems more like a whine then a rant) because the devs have hamstringed Jedi healing so now killing Jedi will be easier for you.
Should a jedi be uber? I think back to the movies and they seemed pretty tough, but this is a game not the movies and the number of Jedi keeps going up. Uber or not, I know we could do with less whinny posts, I mean "rants"
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
Ekir_Atari wrote:
The first two points alone disqualify the second character slot as a reward. The third just nails the lid on the coffin.
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Ok... to make an *on topic* section of this post... As per Episode ][, it was a really close fight between Obi and Jango.[Mind you that was a close fight 2 v 1-if you consider being shot at with ship-class lasers to be anything vaguely resembling dangerous-and Obi was unarmed for much of the fight.][[This is true, but Jango was holding his own for quite a while without the help from Boba/Slave1. Even still, the assistance of his "son" only distracted Obi enough to allow him to escape. Kudos for both combatants.]] Difficult to say who would've emerged victorious had Jango not had the opportunity to flee. Personally, I think that Obi would've triumphed but that's beside the point. Mace didn't seem to have too much problem with him, but that was most likely because of the jetpack malfunction - I think Jango would not have fallen as easily otherwise.
My point is that neither Jedi nor BHs should be uber. They should be a good fight! There's nothing more exhilerating than a really good PvP fight - even if you lose! Getting ganked sucks though, but as long as people continue to be arrogant and self centered, there's not much to be done about it so suck it up and move on. I mean honestly... It would've been hilarious to see Jango stand up after being defeated saying something to the effect of "OMFG! u n00b pwrlvlr1! u need nerfd!11! NERF WINDU HES GOT PURPLE!1!!1"
Flame away... elemental damage isn't in effect yet anyway[excellent line, BTW] [[ TYVM
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Ekir
All that bit about the movies is largely irrelevant. The game doesn't closely resemble the movies except superficially. [[ Whilewhat you sayis 100% true, I like to believe that the game was at least *based* off the movies. I know this isn't true, but I still like to delude myself
Overall, I guess it really doesn't matter *what* the Devs do... someone isn't going to like it. Everyone wants to be uber (or craft things to make people uber). If you can be defeated, then you are not as uber as you want to be.
I personally thought the Jedi permadeth system was a great idea! Put the fear of [insert deity of choice] into the Jedi for being "visible", although if I were a Jedi, permadeth would really suck. I would most likely not even tell anyone I had a Jedi on my account, let alone ever even SEE another player in-game as I'd be hiding like a coward in the wilderness trying to avoid permadeth.
My point is, that 1-on-1, a Bounty Hunter and a Jedi Knight should be a good fight. The kind that gets your adreneline pumping no matter if you're the victor or the loser. This also assumes that no 'sploiting is used by either party, but that's a subject for another thread.
Ekir
ShaikeRamjet wrote:
Seriously, why should they now? Jedi don't grind for months anymore like they say they do. A Jedi can get in a group with 7other Jedi, stand on the Ryyat Trails and earn 1000xp every 10 seconds. That's 6000 a minute, 360,000 and hour. A Novice Padawan can grind to a full-template Jedi in 2 weeks(unless his mommy grounds him from the computer during this time, then it could take longer).
2 weeks.... Where have they earned Jedi? In what part was it hard? They cry and whine saying they should be better than every other profession in every way. Why? When Jedi actually become a 6 month grind, I'll say that you earned that power.
One more thing. 5 vs 1 is so friggin rare. No, really, it's very, VERY rare. Why use that in any arguements or when you want the devs to listen to you? Are you really so desperate to be uber that you try to make things sound worse than what they really are? "Oh my god, what about all of those BH that can eat food and heal fast!?!?" News flash... Jedi can use Ruby Bliel and Stim D's as well... and guess what? It would actually be a smart thing to do seeing as how it will help you save Force points. Wow... I'm not a Jedi and I thought of that.
Ok... I'm done ranting... for now.
The problem with the Ryyatt trail is purely the developers fault. Their poor planning, inability to listen and properly prioritize bugs has landed them in this mess.. Yes, it is a mess btw. The devs never wanted this many Jedi to progress this quickly. Several people/bugged the LOS problem, including myself,in the beta phase of it but they were all ignored.I kept it to myself so it wouldn't spread around. I knew it was a matter of time before it would get out. The other problem has to do with enforcing the "no exploit" rule. They need to punish both bh's and Jedi that use it. ROTW was been out for a while now and this LOS exploit is being used to the max by both sides. Major exploiting bugs should be priority one imho.
tuffness55 wrote:
What about us that did the 6 month grind pre CU (or even pre pub 9)? I would like to get something for all my work
kinda like the people who spentover a year playing one profession, gaining the best in weapons and gear, to have it all taken away and turned into garbage after the cu...... we wanted something too
ShaikeRamjet wrote:
Seiwie wrote:
i have a jedi and bh ur just a greedy ass person. when ur jedi u see any color dot ur heart rate goes up to like 1000(yes im exaderating) and it doesn't take 2 weeks to grind i did mine in about 1 month before the cu and 2 after but that was 8 hrs+ a day and every single day i didn't use the Ryyat trailk cause i dont have RoTW if u make jedi even less powerful u just want money. how old are you 10?
Actually, I'm 27 years old and from the looks of your grammar and punctuation, I'm a lot more intelligent. The majority of the newly full-template Jedi have done so on the Ryyat Trails.
B!tching and moaning is acceptable as we can read through and find out, but be sarcastic about something and everyone thinks your the antichrist.
ShaikeRamjet wrote:
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
It takes a pathetic little person to hate someone because of a profession they play on a video game. Seek counselling. <----apperently you feelings are too sensative and need to learn what sarcasim is.
AmonRah wrote:
tuffness55 wrote:
What about us that did the 6 month grind pre CU (or even pre pub 9)? I would like to get something for all my work
You did you have been over powered for so long now you will have to adjust to the timeline and the dev's vision. And for all your hard work with you overpowered class you will get...../drum roll
Tell them what they win Rah tell'em!
Well you win a huge wooping coming from every BH player in the game that hates jedi and the people that play them
Looks like Thunderheart will finally be right when he said it will be "Very, very, very, difficult"!
Ok... ummm... yeah, it is crossing the line when you say things like "hating the people who play them".<---was a joke that no one got apprently. Even after the announcementthing. But I am on my way to cousling cause people with lil pee pee's like to name call and tell me whatto do.Since they are god I will listen (sarcasm again people please make note before posting again)I don't like the Jedi profession, hate it even. But I don't know any of these people who play Jedi personally, so how can you hate them? I do know I hate the elitism that some are showing, which is why I created this thread in which to rant.
ShaikeRamjet wrote:
Seriously, why should they now? Jedi don't grind for months anymore like they say they do. A Jedi can get in a group with 7other Jedi, stand on the Ryyat Trails and earn 1000xp every 10 seconds. That's 6000 a minute, 360,000 and hour. A Novice Padawan can grind to a full-template Jedi in 2 weeks(unless his mommy grounds him from the computer during this time, then it could take longer).
2 weeks.... Where have they earned Jedi? In what part was it hard? They cry and whine saying they should be better than every other profession in every way. Why? When Jedi actually become a 6 month grind, I'll say that you earned that power.
One more thing. 5 vs 1 is so friggin rare. No, really, it's very, VERY rare. Why use that in any arguements or when you want the devs to listen to you? Are you really so desperate to be uber that you try to make things sound worse than what they really are? "Oh my god, what about all of those BH that can eat food and heal fast!?!?" News flash... Jedi can use Ruby Bliel and Stim D's as well... and guess what? It would actually be a smart thing to do seeing as how it will help you save Force points. Wow... I'm not a Jedi and I thought of that.
Ok... I'm done ranting... for now.
Agreed, Jedi is too easy to get now and too many immature people are playing the profession. But hey, BH's have this plague too...all those respec noobs trashing the title "MBH" with their immaturity.
if the servers were up 24/7 and the padawan was able to grind 24/7, and the spawns came continuously without any rest then yes... maybe a full template in 2 weeks without using respecs.
Without respecs realisticlly you can get about 100k per hour in the trails.
Your argument is flawed to say the least.
ShaikeRamjet wrote:
Seriously, why should they now? Jedi don't grind for months anymore like they say they do. A Jedi can get in a group with 7other Jedi, stand on the Ryyat Trails and earn 1000xp every 10 seconds. That's 6000 a minute, 360,000 and hour. A Novice Padawan can grind to a full-template Jedi in 2 weeks(unless his mommy grounds him from the computer during this time, then it could take longer).
2 weeks.... Where have they earned Jedi? In what part was it hard? They cry and whine saying they should be better than every other profession in every way. Why? When Jedi actually become a 6 month grind, I'll say that you earned that power.
One more thing. 5 vs 1 is so friggin rare. No, really, it's very, VERY rare. Why use that in any arguements or when you want the devs to listen to you? Are you really so desperate to be uber that you try to make things sound worse than what they really are? "Oh my god, what about all of those BH that can eat food and heal fast!?!?" News flash... Jedi can use Ruby Bliel and Stim D's as well... and guess what? It would actually be a smart thing to do seeing as how it will help you save Force points. Wow... I'm not a Jedi and I thought of that.
Ok... I'm done ranting... for now.
Scoooter wrote:
ShaikeRamjet wrote:
Seriously, why should they now? Jedi don't grind for months anymore like they say they do. A Jedi can get in a group with 7other Jedi, stand on the Ryyat Trails and earn 1000xp every 10 seconds. That's 6000 a minute, 360,000 and hour. A Novice Padawan can grind to a full-template Jedi in 2 weeks(unless his mommy grounds him from the computer during this time, then it could take longer).
2 weeks.... Where have they earned Jedi? In what part was it hard? They cry and whine saying they should be better than every other profession in every way. Why? When Jedi actually become a 6 month grind, I'll say that you earned that power.
One more thing. 5 vs 1 is so friggin rare. No, really, it's very, VERY rare. Why use that in any arguements or when you want the devs to listen to you? Are you really so desperate to be uber that you try to make things sound worse than what they really are? "Oh my god, what about all of those BH that can eat food and heal fast!?!?" News flash... Jedi can use Ruby Bliel and Stim D's as well... and guess what? It would actually be a smart thing to do seeing as how it will help you save Force points. Wow... I'm not a Jedi and I thought of that.
Ok... I'm done ranting... for now.
This is not true. Your comutations assume continous fighting with no breaks and time sinks like trinaing, moving from mission to mission and the time it takes to get missions
The true fact is that you get 100-140k xp an hour. I know I just did it.
Pre-CU adter getting 3 tier 4 boxes that is the same rate (100-140k) HOWEVER these paddy's are doing it grouped which means BH xp loss
Now to get templated (double master) it takes 31 million Jedi xp. Now at the actual ratethat is 310 hours. Now if you assume that the Jedi is a heavy grinder averaging 8 hours a day you are looking y 39 days. Now most people dont grind their Jedi at 8 hours a day so that isa inimum number. It also does not consider xp loss to BH's which iuis frequent because your assumpion of grouping causes visbility
Now lets look at the other side of the coin....
I needed 100k combat xp to tweak my alt template. That is 1 million weapons xp. I went in a large group and taht took 25 minutes. An elite profession takes 5.3 mil xp to master. That means in less than a day you can master an elite weaons profession.
Do you see the disparity
Now you see a lot of people that went up fast because of the respec nonesense hat went on and even elites took advatnage of that. Respec is gone so that is out of the equation. Siome got a break but future paddy's will not have that.
Message Edited by Scoooter on 06-23-2005 01:19 PM
OMG man, people are afk grinding on Ryyat trails, stopping long enough to train and that's it. You have no clue what is going on do you? When a full group of nothing but Jedi afk grind on the Ryyat Trails, they are getting 1k xp every 10 seconds, sometimes even faster. They ARE getting close to 360k an hour. Now let's do this equation again, shall we? I'll assume that they are only getting about 350k an hour since they take a good 10 minutes or so to go and train and then come back.
31,000,000 total/350,000per hour = 88.57 hours. 8 hours a day(and sleep can be thrown in since they are AFK) for 11 days. Yeah... it can definitely be done.
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
It's not a reward.
The developers gave people a second character for those times when you don't want to deal with the stress of being hunted. So you can group and take part in the GCW without having to deal with the emotional cripples that hate you because you get to play a profession you want to play. They stated-and I read this a long time go, I'm not willing to spend hours scouring for a link, believe me or don't-they didn't intend for people to play Jedi as their main character.
Additionally, the second character slot was given to Jedi players because your second character was a Jedi and subject to permadeath. They knew damn well that a person who's only character got ganked and was permadead was a lost customer. Don't see a whole lot of permadeath in MMOG's for a reason. It's not good business, and they know it.
Thirdly, I have no interest in my unlock slot. I have a combat character in the form of my Jedi. I have a combat character in the form of my BH/MCM on a second account. They foobared crafters in the CU, turning the most boring and tedious professions in the game into worthless boring and tedious professions. I have more than enough social outlets so entertainer is out.
The first two points alone disqualify the second character slot as a reward. The third just nails the lid on the coffin.
stress of being hunted? does anyone else see the same problem i do? shouldn't changes be made that make jedi want to be hunted as much as BH want to hunt them? That should be the real issue here, why isn't it more fun for both sides. not who is uber and why they dont deserve it, or why they get a secondtoon.
really, lets get down to the real issues and find real fixes for them. leave the complaining and the crying to the dang newb's and kids.
ShaikeRamjet wrote:
Scoooter wrote:
ShaikeRamjet wrote:
Seriously, why should they now? Jedi don't grind for months anymore like they say they do. A Jedi can get in a group with 7other Jedi, stand on the Ryyat Trails and earn 1000xp every 10 seconds. That's 6000 a minute, 360,000 and hour. A Novice Padawan can grind to a full-template Jedi in 2 weeks(unless his mommy grounds him from the computer during this time, then it could take longer).
2 weeks.... Where have they earned Jedi? In what part was it hard? They cry and whine saying they should be better than every other profession in every way. Why? When Jedi actually become a 6 month grind, I'll say that you earned that power.
One more thing. 5 vs 1 is so friggin rare. No, really, it's very, VERY rare. Why use that in any arguements or when you want the devs to listen to you? Are you really so desperate to be uber that you try to make things sound worse than what they really are? "Oh my god, what about all of those BH that can eat food and heal fast!?!?" News flash... Jedi can use Ruby Bliel and Stim D's as well... and guess what? It would actually be a smart thing to do seeing as how it will help you save Force points. Wow... I'm not a Jedi and I thought of that.
Ok... I'm done ranting... for now.
This is not true. Your comutations assume continous fighting with no breaks and time sinks like trinaing, moving from mission to mission and the time it takes to get missions
The true fact is that you get 100-140k xp an hour. I know I just did it.
Pre-CU adter getting 3 tier 4 boxes that is the same rate (100-140k) HOWEVER these paddy's are doing it grouped which means BH xp loss
Now to get templated (double master) it takes 31 million Jedi xp. Now at the actual ratethat is 310 hours. Now if you assume that the Jedi is a heavy grinder averaging 8 hours a day you are looking y 39 days. Now most people dont grind their Jedi at 8 hours a day so that isa inimum number. It also does not consider xp loss to BH's which iuis frequent because your assumpion of grouping causes visbility
Now lets look at the other side of the coin....
I needed 100k combat xp to tweak my alt template. That is 1 million weapons xp. I went in a large group and taht took 25 minutes. An elite profession takes 5.3 mil xp to master. That means in less than a day you can master an elite weaons profession.
Do you see the disparity
Now you see a lot of people that went up fast because of the respec nonesense hat went on and even elites took advatnage of that. Respec is gone so that is out of the equation. Siome got a break but future paddy's will not have that.
Message Edited by Scoooter on 06-23-2005 01:19 PM
OMG man, people are afk grinding on Ryyat trails, stopping long enough to train and that's it. You have no clue what is going on do you? When a full group of nothing but Jedi afk grind on the Ryyat Trails, they are getting 1k xp every 10 seconds, sometimes even faster. They ARE getting close to 360k an hour. Now let's do this equation again, shall we? I'll assume that they are only getting about 350k an hour since they take a good 10 minutes or so to go and train and then come back.
31,000,000 total/350,000per hour = 88.57 hours. 8 hours a day(and sleep can be thrown in since they are AFK) for 11 days. Yeah... it can definitely be done.
LMAO you are over exaggerating spawn rates and the amountof xp per kill.
The web weaver level does not have that many level 80's. You are looking at 700-800 per kill for one and if doing it afk you have to wait for the respawn. You will have to prove those numbers to me.
My guess is you cant, but if this is so prevalent just take your bh and go kill them lol
Message Edited by Scoooter on 06-23-2005 02:35 PM