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Thread: Duel / End Duel?

Delroh
Sat Jun 25, 2005 12:09 am
#40






fogseeker wrote:
Yes they will just find out if you have their mission, id say attack with the use of surprise.





yea but nothing says you have to attack at that time you can hold that mission for days and use it anytime, jsut as a Jedi knows if there is 1 BH after them there are 4 more somewhere around the corner.



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mindspat
Sat Jun 25, 2005 12:18 am
#41






ErveStarr wrote:
An exploit where a mark can find out if you have their mission.




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ErveStarr
Sat Jun 25, 2005 1:50 am
#42






Falcon1024 wrote:





THiGER wrote:


ok, lets talk about exploits bh v jedi:



for information, im bh and jedi... i like both sides....



some of you say, to check if someone has your mission with /duel is an exploit. i dont think, but let us believe its true! (by the way, i never used it)


then to check if your possible target is online or not with /addfriend is also an exploit. think about it. both thinks are not used as intended. maybe exploit, maybe only a side effect. but if the one is an exploit, the other is also....



my 2 cents....






This could never be considered an exploit. As all it does is save me about 1minute. I pull mission go to Soynet for Bio-sig, rush out of town and try to launch prob, get told it will not launch as Jedi is offline. From the time I take my mission to the time I try to launch is about 1 minute. Got a term and spynet op. right next to each other and both are next to an exit of the city. hmmmm..... Try again. And yes usuing /duel is wrong as it sets the jedi up for a duel type encounter. If I ask to duel you and you accept I get first strike, but your still more ready for me. The object of a hunt is to SURPRISE the mark. Now, to the BH's who have a constant problem with this, stop approaching you mark like your on a Sunday stroll. Stalk him and attack before he know where you are coming from. Now either both sides will flame me or both will see my point.





Obviously you haven't hunted a mark on Kashyyyk. Impossible to "stalk" them when they are sitting in the LOS exploit on the Ryatt /dueling every passing player.

Message Edited by ErveStarr on 06-25-2005 09:51 AM



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lesniak
Sat Jun 25, 2005 2:35 am
#43


wierd double post.

Message Edited by lesniak on 06-25-2005 02:35 AM



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Noise_Noise
Sat Jun 25, 2005 2:54 am
#44






lesniak wrote:

So this is the bottom line:


2. BH should Not be able to use /target to attack a cloaked player. Solution: Fix it so that cloaked players cannot be targeted or take any damage other than from an area attack on a nearby player. AFAIK its impossible to attack a cloaked player even if you can /tar them.


4. BH should not be able to use find friend on their mark. Solution: Fix it so that /findfriend reports an error if the target is a mark. If you are stupid enough to put BH's on your friendlist you deserve all you get.










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Vinao
Sat Jun 25, 2005 3:52 am
#45




Ok first off the duel/endduel is not an exploit. It is a fix put in to prevent BH from using an EXPLOIT where they could offer to duel a jedi and if jedi /endduel the BH could attack and the jedi coudln't.


Since we are on the topic of exploits now I would like to point a few other things out.


1. I agree the ryatt trails need to be fixed some how but the rest camrux post below is garbage. He did say that it was just his opinion and no flame intended and below is also my opinion. No need to flame a fellow BH


2 Ifthe Jedi makes it to a house you were not quick enough.


2a. It is an exploit if jedi attacks back then runs in house and abuses the BH teff being broke.


3 Offer ride is a bit annoying but you can still attack when he is in someone else's ride.


4 Line of sight is no exploit it just get a bit annoying when a rock that go's up to your knees prevents you from shooting


5. The longest running EXPLOIT for BH is the adding to your friends list or find friend tactic. I wouldh hate to have to go to spynet opperative to see if my mark is online but it is an exploit none the less. It is intended for you to keep track of friends and to see if they are online. In the game the same thinking as you can't physicly(bad spelling) see cloaked players and covered riflemen, you shouldn't be able to ffriend or add friend.


sorry if it makes no sence I have been awake for many more hours then is healthy


Message Edited by Vinao on 06-25-2005 04:12 AM

Message Edited by Vinao on 06-25-2005 04:13 AM



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lesniak
Sat Jun 25, 2005 4:19 am
#46

Noise_Noise wrote:

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"lesniak wrote:

So this is the bottom line:


2. BH should Not be able to use /target to attack a cloaked player. Solution: Fix it so that cloaked players cannot be targeted or take any damage other than from an area attack on a nearby player. AFAIK its impossible to attack a cloaked player even if you can /tar them.


4. BH should not be able to use find friend on their mark. Solution: Fix it so that /findfriend reports an error if the target is a mark. If you are stupid enough to put BH's on your friendlist you deserve all you get."

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To #2: I have heard of instances where a BH could attack a cloaked player with /target. Even so. You can still follow a tageted player while cloaked, unless they fixed that, which I don't think they have.


To #4: Your right, except that you may add someone to your friends list for other reasonsnot even knowing they are a BH. Using a tool designed to facilitate people finding people for possitive reasons should not be able to be turned into a tool for BH's. If the Devs wanted that they wouldn't bother giving you droid to find someone, they would just give you a /find so-and-so button.



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Vinao wrote:


"Ok first off the duel/endduel is not an exploit. It is a fix put in to prevent BH from using an EXPLOIT where they could offer to duel a jedi and if jedi /endduel the BH could attack and the jedi coudln't."


Ya, BUT, I don't think it was intended for a jedi to use to find out if your coming for him or not. Maybe exploit is to strong here, but it shouldn't be used like this.


"4 Line of sight is no exploit"


Well this particular LoS is a bug. There is no rock, house or tree blocking your view and you can walk right up to the person an not be able to do a thing. However, since Bh's use this to their advantage every bit as much as Jedi, I think BH's should just quit whining about it period. the sooner it is fixed, the better for everyone.



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Vinao
Sat Jun 25, 2005 4:19 am
#47







Noise_Noise wrote:





4. BH should not be able to use find friend on their mark. Solution: Fix it so that /findfriend reports an error if the target is a mark. If you are stupid enough to put BH's on your friendlist you deserve all you get.













you have misunderstood what lesniak was saying. He didn't say the bh was ON the jedi's friends list. He was refering to the system messages that are givin to BH when they attempt this. It allows The BH to see if a mark is online so he doesn't have to make a trip to the spynet opperative to find out.


Message Edited by Vinao on 06-25-2005 04:24 AM

Message Edited by Vinao on 06-25-2005 04:25 AM



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_Crash_
Sat Jun 25, 2005 5:13 am
#48









ErveStarr wrote:
An exploit where a mark can find out if you have their mission.






This isn't an exploit as there is no bug to take advantage of. It is working as intended.


However, that doesn't mean the system hasn't been designed in a by a chimp with an alcohol problem, allowing it to be easily abused in such a way.


Abuse != exploit






The code was not designed as a way to allow jedi to determine if a BH had a misison for, therefore it is a design flaw. People are dueling people they would not normally send a duel request too in order to exploit this design flaw. It is an exploit.

Casshern_Greyfox
Sat Jun 25, 2005 6:22 am
#49

I didnt hearthis manyBH complaining when they were using /duel exploit. But when jedi can use /duel to see if someone has their mission, which in no way gives jedi an advantage,BH whine.



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lesniak
Sat Jun 25, 2005 7:53 am
#50

It's symptematic of the problem. Not all, but MOST BH's take advantage of anything possible to get, and in some cases grief, their mark. When they do this they call it a 'design flaw' or any neutral sounding name they can think of. When a Jedi does the same thing, the BH screams 'exploit' and adds for good measure how much the jedi needs to be nerfed just for good measure. The fact of the matter is no single profession in the game has recieved such a boost in offense, defense, skill points, or abilites than BH. After their initial nerf towards the begining of the game it has been nothing but a runaway ride of love. While the Jedi have been nerfed to the point where a Master Doc / Swordsman is more powerfull, more playable and a whole lot easier to get.

Message Edited by lesniak on 06-25-2005 07:54 AM



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GuildOwner
Sat Jun 25, 2005 12:17 pm
#51

their fixing this




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