Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Legit to kill Jedi, then kill again 2 hours later?
Acheron5 wrote:
According to the SOE Community Standards Policy:
Harassment is defined as specifically targeting another player or group of players to harm or inconvenience them. Harassment can take many forms, as it goes to the state-of-mind of the person or group of persons on the receiving end of the action. However, in order to account for those who are more sensitive than others, the CSR involved will make a determination as to whether or not the reported issue would be considered harassment and act accordingly. Sexual/racial harassment or hatemongering of any kind will result in the immediate termination of all SOE accounts if sufficient and proper evidence is available and verified.
It's pretty clear that this will all depend on the attitude of the player you are targetting. Players should bear in mind that in the case of a BH hunting a Jedi player the guy controlling the Jedi toon isn't himself a Jedi, just a person like yourself hoping to enjoy this game. While bounty hunting Jedi is the central aspect of the bounty hunting profession, being hunted by bounty hunters is often simply considered a nuisance by Jedi players and many of them prefer not to engage in this game system. In other words, if you're going to go after the same Jedi time and time again be sure that the Jedi in question isn't going to consider it harrasment. Some Jedi are cool with it and enjoy PvP play. Others just aren't interested or find it stupid.
If you see the Jedi on the terms the first time its fair game. If you see him there again then you're making it personal and you bear the risk of whatever consequences may come from harassing the guy.
I borrowed this SS from another thread that applies here. Straight from the Horse's Mouth. Please go to Line 21:03:45.
Geaux Darkcloud
Geauxx wrote:
I borrowed this SS from another thread that applies here. Straight from the Horse's Mouth. Please go to Line 21:03:45.
Acheron5 wrote:
According to the SOE Community Standards Policy:
Harassment is defined as specifically targeting another player or group of players to harm or inconvenience them. Harassment can take many forms, as it goes to the state-of-mind of the person or group of persons on the receiving end of the action. However, in order to account for those who are more sensitive than others, the CSR involved will make a determination as to whether or not the reported issue would be considered harassment and act accordingly. Sexual/racial harassment or hatemongering of any kind will result in the immediate termination of all SOE accounts if sufficient and proper evidence is available and verified.
It's pretty clear that this will all depend on the attitude of the player you are targetting. Players should bear in mind that in the case of a BH hunting a Jedi player the guy controlling the Jedi toon isn't himself a Jedi, just a person like yourself hoping to enjoy this game. While bounty hunting Jedi is the central aspect of the bounty hunting profession, being hunted by bounty hunters is often simply considered a nuisance by Jedi players and many of them prefer not to engage in this game system. In other words, if you're going to go after the same Jedi time and time again be sure that the Jedi in question isn't going to consider it harrasment. Some Jedi are cool with it and enjoy PvP play. Others just aren't interested or find it stupid.
If you see the Jedi on the terms the first time its fair game. If you see him there again then you're making it personal and you bear the risk of whatever consequences may come from harassing the guy.
That's the CSR's interpretation of SOE's policy, which is in fact the horse's mouth. Another CSR may have a different interpretation. Best to err on the side of caution and take the possibility of getting reported for harassment based on SOE's policy into account. It's part of the game design that the same BH can take out the same mission on the same Jedi as many times as they like. It is also part of the game design that the Jedi can report this as harassment, and like it or not it can be interpreted that way. And it is part of the game design that the CSR may interpret this in a way that is unfavorable to the BH. It's unlikely, after all, that a Jedi is going to get punished for reporting it and far more likely that a BH will. So once again, if you're going to do this be aware of the potential risks and try to assess that state of mind of the guy you're doing it to. If the guy you killed the first time sent you a litany of hate tells for putting him down then what do you think he might do if you do it again and he is aware of SOE's stated policy? If, on the other hand, the dude says "nice fight- look forward to the rematch" it's a whole different story.
Personally I don't do this but your logic is flawed. How is the BH getting the same mission repeatedly? Because the Jedi is on the terminals. That is game desgn pure and simple. What is the difference between 10 different Bounty Hunters coming after you or 1 Bounty Hunter coming after you 10 times? If you are on the terms then you are on the terms. I doubt SOE will punish people for using the system that they desinged espically when there is not a work around to get the same mission repeatedly. It is by game design. Is it right? Is it wrong? That is for each individual hunter to decide. I think the part that gets Jedi the most is that they don't have control or a say so in the matter.
Acheron5 wrote:
That's the CSR's interpretation of SOE's policy, which is in fact the horse's mouth. Another CSR may have a different interpretation. Best to err on the side of caution and take the possibility of getting reported for harassment based on SOE's policy into account. It's part of the game design that the same BH can take out the same mission on the same Jedi as many times as they like. It is also part of the game design that the Jedi can report this as harassment, and like it or not it can be interpreted that way. And it is part of the game design that the CSR may interpret this in a way that is unfavorable to the BH. It's unlikely, after all, that a Jedi is going to get punished for reporting it and far more likely that a BH will. So once again, if you're going to do this be aware of the potential risks and try to assess that state of mind of the guy you're doing it to. If the guy you killed the first time sent you a litany of hate tells for putting him down then what do you think he might do if you do it again and he is aware of SOE's stated policy? If, on the other hand, the dude says "nice fight- look forward to the rematch" it's a whole different story.
That's just it. A BH doesn't have to say that he wasn't targeting that player. How did that BH get that players mission? Any Jedi on the Terms are fare game to any and all BH's. This argument is stuck in a loop. Unless the Jedi stays off the terms the same BH can't hunt them reapeatedly
MrDoppa wrote:
The difference tween 1 bh 10x and 10 bh's 1x is that, for each bh currently scanning the terms, there is a chance, unless you are the only jedi on the server at that time, that the other 9 bh's won't even bother to pick your mission. There is absolutely no way that 1 bh can pick up the same mission 10x's and say "I wasnt targeting said player". NOw the amount of damage that you can do with 2 kills is significant. If the paddie is 63k on the terms, then he/she is losing 126k per kill. times 2 that is 252k. NOw you may say "oh that's nothing if they afk grind on kashyyk. But there are still paddie's who do not afk grind and 256k can be a tough number to crack. Especially for those who are like 10 mill in the hole. At any time, there are quite a few jedi on and you can spread the kills out fairly. And Im quite sure the same harassment rules apply to overts too.
aatc wrote:
Ahh, your not a bounty hunter then.. You're one of them people that hates Jedi and hunts them so they loose XP. A REAL Bounty Hunter would be in it for the money and honor.. And you get both money and honor from marks that can defend themselves.
You sir, get an F
All I could do is
WiseBobo wrote:
aatc wrote:
Ahh, your not a bounty hunter then.. You're one of them people that hates Jedi and hunts them so they loose XP. A REAL Bounty Hunter would be in it for the money and honor.. And you get both money and honor from marks that can defend themselves.
You sir, get an F
I do it for the money, and the honor.
Then sometimes I just do it for fun.
I get an A+ on treating it like a business, you get an A- on being JediEmo.
Geauxx wrote:
Personally I don't do this but your logic is flawed. How is the BH getting the same mission repeatedly? Because the Jedi is on the terminals. That is game desgn pure and simple. What is the difference between 10 different Bounty Hunters coming after you or 1 Bounty Hunter coming after you 10 times? If you are on the terms then you are on the terms. I doubt SOE will punish people for using the system that they desinged espically when there is not a work around to get the same mission repeatedly. It is by game design. Is it right? Is it wrong? That is for each individual hunter to decide. I think the part that gets Jedi the most is that they don't have control or a say so in the matter.
Acheron5 wrote:
That's the CSR's interpretation of SOE's policy, which is in fact the horse's mouth. Another CSR may have a different interpretation. Best to err on the side of caution and take the possibility of getting reported for harassment based on SOE's policy into account. It's part of the game design that the same BH can take out the same mission on the same Jedi as many times as they like. It is also part of the game design that the Jedi can report this as harassment, and like it or not it can be interpreted that way. And it is part of the game design that the CSR may interpret this in a way that is unfavorable to the BH. It's unlikely, after all, that a Jedi is going to get punished for reporting it and far more likely that a BH will. So once again, if you're going to do this be aware of the potential risks and try to assess that state of mind of the guy you're doing it to. If the guy you killed the first time sent you a litany of hate tells for putting him down then what do you think he might do if you do it again and he is aware of SOE's stated policy? If, on the other hand, the dude says "nice fight- look forward to the rematch" it's a whole different story.
It seems that there is a workaround to not getting the same mission. The workaroundin this situationis that given a choice between hunting the same Jedi who may consider this to be harassment and not selecting a mission at all the safest bet is not to take any mission at all. As I stated I agree with you that it is part of the game design that a BH can take the same mission on the same Jedi as many time as they wish.Perhaps it isn't even game design at all but just the assumption by the devs that playerswouldn't take the same mission repeatedly and that this would not be construed as harassment. This is especially true now when there are so many Jedi on the boards. It is also game design that the Jedi in question, andany player in fact,may report this to a CSR. And it is also game design that the CSR may take an action that may not be favorable to the BH. In this case, the tables are turned, unless the Jedi is continually being repeatedly hunted by BH's and is abusing the harassment policy, and the Jedi has nothing to lose. The BH on the other hand has everything to lose. From the anecdotal examples provided, it seems that there is a chance, perhaps small, that a BH will be punished for harassing a player when they repeatedly take out a mission on the same player.
There is nothing wrong with being aware of it, understanding whythis is so, and avoiding it even if it conflicts with your sense of how the game should be played. As a rule of thumb, if you are an unbiased BH just doing missions try to avoid getting the same mission again. If you purposefully get the same mission out of spite or out of a desire to see a player with a Santa hat wield a lightsaber, you could be technically harassing the player and that player may use the option that is available to him and report you for doing so. If you have no other alternatives, as unlikely as that may be under current circumstances, then taking the mission will entail the risk that you will be perceived to be harassing the other player with the same potential consequences.
This isn't my logic, it'sSOE's,and I'm not saying that I would interpret such a situation in this way. Frankly, I get the impression that these situations are examples of the proverbial straw breaking the camels back but without further information it is difficult to say for certain. From the posts I've read where something like this has occurred, some other bad behavior may have been involved but who knows for sure. BH's should be aware that it is possible, perhaps even likely, that a CSR would make a judgement that is not to a BH's liking in such a situation, and it is the CSR's interpretation of SOE's community standards policy that is in question, not mine.
That doing something within the design of the game can be also be construed as a violation of community standards isn't all too surprising.Ironically, this is usually the complaint of theBH. Welcome to the contradictory world of SWG and MMORPG's in general.
Well said.
Acheron5 wrote:
*SNIP*
Message Edited by Geauxx on 06-21-2005 01:47 PM
Everyone always says there are too many jedi in the game, so why is it you can't find others to kill? The point here, I think, is that there shouldn't be a reason for you to hunt the same jedi that fast. The offline/Kash example just shows that someone you aren't up for working for your money. If you're so bored that you have to hunt the same jedi twice in a row, then you should be up for a challenge finally.
If you're a BH for the thrill of the hunt, you should have plenty of Jedi to choose from, you're just not always going to win. If you do it just to kill low-level jedi so they lose xp, then I'd say you're harassing them.
But no one is going to listen to me anyway, so who cares.
The jedi only has himself to blame. He was on the terminals the first time, then after being killed rather than playing it safe and watching his visiblitiy he went right back to doing whatever it was he was doing before ( most likely large group in Kash ) and got on the terms immediately again, truly he can only blame himself.
At the same time I never hunt the same Jedi two missions in a row, I always make sure to get another mission between 