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Hoboken wrote:

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Pday wrote:

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Hoboken wrote:

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well then obviously your not a CM or your donot know your options......

ever tryed bio clothing????? +18 healing i heal for near enough 1300

Message Edited by Midgetman690 on 09-06-200512:04 PM

Message Edited by Midgetman690 on 09-06-200512:05 PM

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When comparing healing stats, yea you can throw in ca's, aa's and bio clothes, but that is not a fair comparision as you are not using mods to the jedi healing which is a flat 1500 no matter what

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sure as hell its a fair comparison, i use healing clothes and i have food for it, if youre not using all the options to improve yourself dont expect to be able to win.

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WTH..I was comparing your inaccurate numbers of BASE healing vs healing, which you later mention was due to healing eff clothing on the CM side. I didn't even touch healing in regards to winning. While you're at it, since you seem to be sooo good at compairing things, why dont you compare saber throw with a post-cu saber with poor pearls and crappy crystals to a sniper shot with a double cap'd rifle sliced all to hell.

Message Edited by Hoboken on 09-06-2005 09:13 AM

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there is no way to get jedi healing over 1500 pr heal, i can get heals over 1500 from my CM, using a droid, clothes and food.

the comparison between teh double capped rifle and the post CU crystal/pearl saber would be a fair one though considering that getting a decent saber is near impossible now if not impossible, on the other hand ive crafted about 25 double capped rifles post cu.

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BloodMonk wrote:

to the poster claiming BH (wearing Recon armor) have better armour because they can get layered suits with 8100 energy while jedi (With MDefender)only have 7000:

DID YOU PURPOSELY FORGET TO MENTION JEDI CAN LOWER IT FROM 8100 to 2835???????

even with AB III slice it still drops to 4961...

trying to prove a point with false arguments gets you nothing but contempt my friend.....

and a M def takes stops a lot more damage...with his high defense you're most likely always hitting at the min damage of your weapon...

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wildcard1973 wrote:

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BloodMonk wrote:

to the poster claiming BH (wearing Recon armor) have better armour because they can get layered suits with 8100 energy while jedi (With MDefender) only have 7000:

DID YOU PURPOSELY FORGET TO MENTION JEDI CAN LOWER IT FROM 8100 to 2835???????

even with AB III slice it still drops to 4961...

trying to prove a point with false arguments gets you nothing but contempt my friend.....

and a M def takes stops a lot more damage...with his high defense you're most likely always hitting at the min damage of your weapon...

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your 4961, or even 2835, armor rating is still a far cry better than a 2K innate rating which is what any Jedi WITHOUT at least nocive Defender has, stop trying to balance fights based on everyone having MDefender....

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Just like I need to go Rifles for more DMG, or pistols for more crowd control, you need to go DF for the best defense.

What is ironic is you are looking at only 1 type of Jedi: the Mdef/MLS/4-0-4-0 healer types.

I've seen many BH's (ranged mind you) simply work on outlasting their force bar. Unlike BH's it eventually runs out and they can't do anything else.

Other Jedi templates lack at least one of the things you mentioned: whether it be offense, that 900 def, or the 25% block in support of other skills.


the key to beating those types you mentioned is their force bar...it takes pacience and a level head, if you have neither then this Prof may not be for you.

if you don't think 14% more damage is worth It then I guess you also nevered bothered slicing your weapons, or got layered gear on your now jedi toon...

jedi hits for 1000

440 is absorbed by you armour, you sustain 560 damage

580 is absorbed by you armour, you sustain420 damage

YES that's still quite and advantage....esp since AB III slices go for 200k/piece and you can destroy you armor after only fighting 2-3 jedi

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Nakahs wrote:

Hm outlast a Mdef Mls healer something... sounds good but....

After 40min of fight and he got no force left but as long as he dont attacks back and can refill enough in a few secs to reactivate his aura and valor not to mention elshandru... every ranged prof wont hit s$it!

And after that long long fight i had sometimes all my not adked parts of gear is nearly broken and jedi has nothing but time wasted.

And then dont tell me again BH dont lose anything by a fight no matter if he wins or lose. A good equipment is still worth a bit and not everyone is rich enough to adk all armor and weps he has.

Another funny thing was i fought a jedi for about 30min (he had no exploited saber thats why i survived so long) and he said he will stop the fight now and go afk a bit to watch TV or something. So he activated his macros and went afk ffs....

There was no way to get through their macros even ...aura ...valor... infusion and things... was a bit frustrating. He also didnt lose enough force so the macros dont work any longer cause he didnt attacked back.

When he was back he laughed and offered me to pay me the bounty so im not too pissed and he can go back to whatever he wanted to do before the fight started....

my accuracy +weapon accuracy was in the higher 500ish ...sometimes i used pyro too for a boost over 600 but not much of a different. i only hitted him not 1 out of 8 times but 1 out of 5 times but each hit for not more than 250dam.

If anybody still throw the lie out Jedi isnt overpowered nowadays not even when exploiting this someone must be a Jedi for sure!!

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You are stupid, a few months ago Jedi (mls) had +85 block.. Ranged BH had no chance. So that got nerfed. Now what are you asking for? Some more nerfs. Read this noob, maybe you'll understand why crying nerf is as dumb an idea as any.

I highly doubt your accuracy is in the "higher 500ish". One look at your forum registration date, the way you spell, and your grammer, tells me you are either

a) complete noob.
b) very young.

Either way I don't think you should be making suggestions as to how the game could be "improved".

Message Edited by Qwad on 09-06-2005 03:02 PM

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Nakahs wrote:

I play since beta and never want to become a jedi lamer or something... so i can say what it would need to have a more fair chance against jedi in general.This is my new account but however its still the same as 1 year before with the unbalance between jedi/bh pvp. Ranged Profs are cause of the superior Jedi ranged defense useless again against Jedi... 1 year ago BH's are forced to go Melee like TKM to stand a chance.

Lets not get it that far again id say... And yes i know there arent enough BH's left who are not Jedi alts to sign my petition but i want catch some fishy so here it goes.

The problem is jeday can heal as good as a mcm do as much damage as a rifleman with an uber min damage rifle of 600-700ish and tank with their 800-900 ranged def, mitigation and saberblock 25% like god himself. f.e. a capped rifle used by a high end modded rifleman with all accuracy food hits (when it even hits) for about 200-250dam. (without calculating PSG's - another -50 -100dam per hit)

This dam the jedi not even need to heal ... force infusion buff is autohealing enough to not have to heal manual.

So the problem here for more balance would be to at least make it possible a ranged proffession can do decent damage to a jedi who is mdef which all are nowadays but the cloakers...

To solve the problem with balance jeday should lose a lot of their superior defense in pvp. I dont say delete or nerf cloak or something as it is lame but not a debalncing issue as long as this jeday is not exploiting sabers and use it as an offensive ganking ability.

Back to the uber defense problem we BH's are faced and im not talking about those BH's who are only jedi alts... another problem is we have much more BH alts from players that are at first jeday and talk bull in this forum to try to prevent they get nerfed.

I dont want talk too much about that fact cause the real (at first) BH's know we have 1000 of jedi trolls here. feel free to post troll...

I dont want to make jedi equal cause that would cause too much whining even when it would be only fair but i want to have at least a chance as a BH to kill a jedi who is not afk or half dead already.

For that Jeday have to lose their uberness when it comes to a BH/Jedi fight. I would say best solution would be (of course not for jedi) that aura and valor dont work as good in a BH/Jedi situation as it does in a PVE situation. Lets say a decrease of the defense and mitigation that a BH can do decent damage and is not forced to heal till hes out of mind.

The Decrease has to be at least 20% mitigation and 300 ranged defense valor can stand then how it is and it would still be an advantage 1.5 to 1 against BH when it comes to defense.

Now we have an advantage of 3 to 1 for jedi against BH's in either defense and offense as most have pre cu sabers or pearls.

the problem with the sabers is that they have a very high min dam and that is what counts in high end pvp.

So id say let the jedi the superior offense but cut their defense that a BH with best equipment has at least a chance to win without exploiting or using dirty tricks like afk jedi killing or shot when jedi is half dead cause of pve or pvp.

Thats my 2 cent ...

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*pants*

Sorry guys, I'm late for the flaming.

*clears throat*

Have you seen my baseball?

Nakahs,

What assumption are you operating within that makes you believe that Jedi and BH are SUPPOSED to be balanced? Nowhere has this been stated, mentioned or even alluded to. For clarification, do you seek Jedi to be weakened to that of a single combat elite/dabbler? Or do you seek BH to be further elevated, thus making it the most powerful single combat elite profession in game?

Remember, your Jedi targets have ground thru enough non-jedi XP to fill 31.9 combat elite professions just to make Padawan and another 182 MILLION XP (Jedi to Non Jedi equiv) to make full template. Would you care to explain to me why a profession that takes 5 million XP should be equal to that of one that takes 70 times as much XP (roughly 365 mill XP)to attain?

Before you or anyone starts with the flames, I am Jedi and I am BH. Love the challenges of both. I was a Ranged BH pre pub 9 when ranged was gimped vs. Jedi 85% saber block. Back in the days when you have little to no chance against a fully templated jedi who was buffed. Back when there was an FRS and with it, Knights, Sentinels, Arbiters and above and I still killed Jedi. Back in the days when cunning, guile and wit were your only tools for success, not some overpowered, broken Ruby Bliel enhanced BH/CM b8st8rd template. So please, stop your noise about how you believe the fool's tale that somehow you have earned a right to stand on equal footing with a fully templated Jedi.

EVERY time I've seen a hunt over the last month, it's the same. A BH rushes in with his swoop, jumps off and immediately starts with his poo-throwing and state specials. Most times, I see them later, running or cloning. Gone are the days of the BH who learns his mark. Where he lives, where he grinds, where he hangs out and with whom. You new BHs rush in, throwing everything you have out there, eat up your green line faster than a fat kid with a snicker bar, die, then come here complaining about how Jedi are overpowered.

As a BH, yes, I've been killed, but not once by a Jedi during a hunt. NOT ONCE. Why? because I learned my mark. I caught them when they were at their weakest. Never did I rush in, out in the open and attempt to overpower a Jedi with brute force.

So my friend, what I am trying to say here is simple. BHs are stronger now than ever before at a time when your Jedi marks are weaker than ever. Learn how to be a BH and I'm not talking about what CM specials to toss. I'm talking about being a villian, a stalker, a predator and yes, an INVESTIGATOR. That still IS a line in your skill tree, isn't it?

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Darka-ce wrote:
Nakahs,

What assumption are you operating within that makes you believe that Jedi and BH are SUPPOSED to be balanced? Nowhere has this been stated, mentioned or even alluded to. For clarification, do you seek Jedi to be weakened to that of a single combat elite/dabbler? Or do you seek BH to be further elevated, thus making it the most powerful single combat elite profession in game?

Remember, your Jedi targets have ground thru enough non-jedi XP to fill 31.9 combat elite professions just to make Padawan and another 182 MILLION XP (Jedi to Non Jedi equiv) to make full template. Would you care to explain to me why a profession that takes 5 million XP should be equal to that of one that takes 70 times as much XP (roughly 365 mill XP)to attain?

Before you or anyone starts with the flames, I am Jedi and I am BH. Love the challenges of both. I was a Ranged BH pre pub 9 when ranged was gimped vs. Jedi 85% saber block. Back in the days when you have little to no chance against a fully templated jedi who was buffed. Back when there was an FRS and with it, Knights, Sentinels, Arbiters and above and I still killed Jedi. Back in the days when cunning, guile and wit were your only tools for success, not some overpowered, broken Ruby Bliel enhanced BH/CM b8st8rd template. So please, stop your noise about how you believe the fool's tale that somehow you have earned a right to stand on equal footing with a fully templated Jedi.

EVERY time I've seen a hunt over the last month, it's the same. A BH rushes in with his swoop, jumps off and immediately starts with his poo-throwing and state specials. Most times, I see them later, running or cloning. Gone are the days of the BH who learns his mark. Where he lives, where he grinds, where he hangs out and with whom. You new BHs rush in, throwing everything you have out there, eat up your green line faster than a fat kid with a snicker bar, die, then come here complaining about how Jedi are overpowered.

As a BH, yes, I've been killed, but not once by a Jedi during a hunt. NOT ONCE. Why? because I learned my mark. I caught them when they were at their weakest. Never did I rush in, out in the open and attempt to overpower a Jedi with brute force.

So my friend, what I am trying to say here is simple. BHs are stronger now than ever before at a time when your Jedi marks are weaker than ever. Learn how to be a BH and I'm not talking about what CM specials to toss. I'm talking about being a villian, a stalker, a predator and yes, an INVESTIGATOR. That still IS a line in your skill tree, isn't it?

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/applaud

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Darka-ce wrote:
Nakahs,

What assumption are you operating within that makes you believe that Jedi and BH are SUPPOSED to be balanced? Nowhere has this been stated, mentioned or even alluded to. For clarification, do you seek Jedi to be weakened to that of a single combat elite/dabbler? Or do you seek BH to be further elevated, thus making it the most powerful single combat elite profession in game?

Remember, your Jedi targets have ground thru enough non-jedi XP to fill 31.9 combat elite professions just to make Padawan and another 182 MILLION XP (Jedi to Non Jedi equiv) to make full template. Would you care to explain to me why a profession that takes 5 million XP should be equal to that of one that takes 70 times as much XP (roughly 365 mill XP)to attain?

Before you or anyone starts with the flames, I am Jedi and I am BH. Love the challenges of both. I was a Ranged BH pre pub 9 when ranged was gimped vs. Jedi 85% saber block. Back in the days when you have little to no chance against a fully templated jedi who was buffed. Back when there was an FRS and with it, Knights, Sentinels, Arbiters and above and I still killed Jedi. Back in the days when cunning, guile and wit were your only tools for success, not some overpowered, broken Ruby Bliel enhanced BH/CM b8st8rd template. So please, stop your noise about how you believe the fool's tale that somehow you have earned a right to stand on equal footing with a fully templated Jedi.

EVERY time I've seen a hunt over the last month, it's the same. A BH rushes in with his swoop, jumps off and immediately starts with his poo-throwing and state specials. Most times, I see them later, running or cloning. Gone are the days of the BH who learns his mark. Where he lives, where he grinds, where he hangs out and with whom. You new BHs rush in, throwing everything you have out there, eat up your green line faster than a fat kid with a snicker bar, die, then come here complaining about how Jedi are overpowered.

As a BH, yes, I've been killed, but not once by a Jedi during a hunt. NOT ONCE. Why? because I learned my mark. I caught them when they were at their weakest. Never did I rush in, out in the open and attempt to overpower a Jedi with brute force.

So my friend, what I am trying to say here is simple. BHs are stronger now than ever before at a time when your Jedi marks are weaker than ever. Learn how to be a BH and I'm not talking about what CM specials to toss. I'm talking about being a villian, a stalker, a predator and yes, an INVESTIGATOR. That still IS a line in your skill tree, isn't it?

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What he said.

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HyprHypo wrote:

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robpro wrote:

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HyprHypo wrote:

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robpro wrote:

Ive been a Master Bounty Hunter since sept 03

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lies

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just because your a respec dont mean everyone else is.

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just because I looked back at your posts and you didnt get it til after mounts. I aint no respec. I got MBH before you did

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