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Thread: It's OUR Time now! ORDER 66 FTW! Destroy all J3di!
Megasuperb wrote:
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crunchmalla wrote:
Armorwearing j3d pre-fixThat was way back when, when Jedi were rare. Armor didnt make them over powered, with saber tef and being allowed to be jumped by everyone in the area, I think armor made things FAIR saber teff could be completely avoided by deequiping your saber no dice there
LS Damage j3di (the actual unresistable LIGHTSABER damage)Wasnt unresistable, there were LS PSG's, no BH's really wore them. They were there. And most only wore them when ADK's were introduced...Hmmm how would you feel if 40% was easily blocked? precu I would have sold my best rifle for a cred if I could reduced saberblock to 40%
cloaker j3di pre-fixLol, what did a Cloaked Jedi do to harm you? Every DWB run after the server had been up for more than 20 hours or so. 20 SBD's is NOT cool in one room
m.def ai j3di pre-fixThe move is called "Avoid Incap" We spend months grinding just to get it.....yea I see how its over powered. Especially when it DOESNT last forever yea... an invincable tank.... for turrents and spin groups....
hybrid j3di pre-fix And this i still dont even know what this is... you can no longer use force powers with anything other than a LS equiped....
FR2/3 j3di pre-fix Again...how did moving faster then you can make them overpowered? OMg you cant keep up? CMN, it did have a Damage reduction.
The damage reduction WAS the fix. it was put in around publish 12
4000 healer j3di pre-fixAgain....staying alive hurt you how?! If we are healing, we are not attacking.....so I dont see the overpower there... freaking sad that a person who spent a much smaller percentage of there sp on healing could outheal a Mdoc or MCM. if x = the sp needed to get 4/0/0/o healer NOT including sp. then look at it this way x/226 < 131/250 .....
That's just a few of the overpowered j3di skill that had to be balanced.
Megasuperb wrote:
Id like to know when in the history of the game, were jedi OVERPOWERED? I'd like to know 1 point in the game Jedi were unbeatable? And not a select few Jedi, that were always a chore to take out, I mean every Jedi in the game not being able to be touched by a BH....
Message Edited by Cpl_Fisher on 10-29-2005 12:07 AM
Message Edited by thepulse on 10-28-2005 11:03 PM
Centaurius wrote:
I'm calling you out chump. You think it's your time? You think a jedi that half knows what he is doing will fall to you? Create a BH on bria (it will only take a few days at most) and look me up anytime under the name Centaur. I will gladly knock you directly of your effing high horse and into the shlt trail behind it. Use whatever template/macros/exploits you can dream up. Then you can come on here and cry h4x! and how jedi need to be nerfed more because you suck and cant win. And if you're reply is gonna be that as a jediI should be able to beat you I'll gladly wax your pathetic asss with my carbineer/bh. Oh wait I can hear the excuses coming already. Put up or shutup and since I know you won't put up i have one last thing to say PWND!
Message Edited by Centaurius on 10-28-2005 10:46 PM
It takes only a few days to amass a set of adk'd max health bonus armor tapped and aa'd out with an tripple capped adk'd weapon and he money to buy the best food on your galaxy? dang... I must suck balls then
ah, but you've hit the nail on the head, haven't you 
becuase the class was made so easy to unlock...because the red carpet was rolled out through double xp, respec, etc....what you have is a new demographic. instead of the seasoned pre pub. 9 powergamer/pvp'er you now have a hodgepodge of pve players and roleplayers who simply aren't experienced enough or skilled enough to compete in the kind of PvP that's set up for them, nor do some of them want to. it's unfortunate...and in my opinion a hand in hand fault of the playersas well asthe developers. And the more the class complains and breeds like rabbits...the 'weaker' the 'alpha' class will become...until it's nothing more than a dumbed down PvE toon.
I don't think either class is really stronger than the other. Wether it be as a bh or a jedi there's still three types of fightI encounter, and I can say I've had an equal mix of all three...
Awin,A lose,A draw. It's reallyalways boiled down toPvP experience, terrain/tactics, and choice of gear. Simple as that. Baby pads are an easy kill, but you know what...they should be. Without risk and challenge the class is nothing buta tk/swordsman with a glowstick, for lack of better description.
Honestly, on my server I see an equal mix of bh's and jedi. Most of them are actually very nice. There's twits on both sides here and there. Generalizing, finger pointing, and hostility on either side is gonna get us all sent to the PvE farm very quickly.
mega according to the devs that u seem to be in love with all jedi at full temp are supposed to be 1.5 times stronger than any other master profession, so there is supposed to be a small imbalance, i expect that you wil cry if this happens
you moaned that we had the "i win button" but now you possess a i win button.. so are you gonna follow your own arguments and agree you are overpowered, or are you gonna be a total hypocrite and ignore the fact that all bh now are the alpha class that you have all been moaning about for soo long, and just play with the hope that you will not be nerfed...
i suspect that it will be the 2nd as most bh now just want to kill a jedi with no skill or risk, and then gloat how good and leet u all are
Megasuperb wrote:
crunchmalla wrote:
Megasuperb wrote:
crunchmalla wrote:
Megasuperb wrote:
crunchmalla wrote:
Armorwearing j3d pre-fixThat was way back when, when Jedi were rare. Armor didnt make them over powered, with saber tef and being allowed to be jumped by everyone in the area, I think armor made things FAIR
Nahh, allowed them with SB to negate wayyyy too much damage
So taking on groups of people, they still shouldnt be allowed to negate an ass load of damage. When Jedi were rare they were supposed to be able to take on 20 ppl....
No they shouldn't, J3di aren't gods.
Like I said, that was way back when...and Jedi were rare then. People enjoyed fight against them then. Not like they do today...
LS Damage j3di (the actual unresistable LIGHTSABER damage)Wasnt unresistable, there were LS PSG's, no BH's really wore them. They were there. And most only wore them when ADK's were introduced...Hmmm how would you feel if 40% was easily blocked?
About the same as when 85% of our shots were blocked
Hmm....a MASTER lightsaber wielder....nah, I dont see why they should be allowed to block incoming blaster fire...ill give you that one...
Not nearly all, sorry, godmode again.
Not godmode...and there was a chance of 15% to go through....You dont seem to complain it too much with Mdefs using valor?
cloaker j3di pre-fixLol, what did a Cloaked Jedi do to harm you?
It was an I win button, and until the ranger patch it still is.
How? You can't attack from cloak...so hiding is an I win button. And thats what you want all Jedi to do, is hide. So, I guess we will win again?
Wrong, I want J3di to die. J3di were using it to escape the penalty of vis. Devs agree because they're balancing it.
Its just a game...BH's DONT have to hunt Jedi. Its not a vis is not a penalty, its the outcome of what happens when we are seen. We still have the choice to hide, i.e. Cloak. And yea, I guess if you cant kill it by it escaping, then it most be overpowered.
m.def ai j3di pre-fixThe move is called "Avoid Incap" We spend months grinding just to get it.....yea I see how its over powered. Especially when it DOESNT last forever
Oooh the grind time argument. Like I care, you didn't have to grind j3di.
You dont have to care, but I am right....
Obviously the devs don't believe so.
You still havent told me why this is overpowered? Oh wait, becuase you cant kill the Jedi for another 30secs longer then you planned? Yes, we could use it numerous times, but AGAIN it didnt last forerver.
hybrid j3di pre-fix And this i still dont even know what this is...
J3di aren't ranged marksman. Wait I'll give you that one, you can use the weapons but not the force powers, oh wait, that's the fix.
Still dont get this one...
Devs are fixing hybrid temps so they can't use FP and regular weapons, kinda like armor.Understand thefix now?
Ok, now I get it. I agree that needed to go, but its not overpowered. BH's and Masters of Ranged combat can use CL 54 Melee weps. Same concept...
FR2/3 j3di pre-fix Again...how did moving faster then you can make them overpowered? OMg you cant keep up? CMN, it did have a Damage reduction.
FR originally had no damage mitigation, and it's an I win button again, well it was until the snare fix.
When did it Orginally have no Damage reduction....way back when, when Jedi were supposed to be able to take on groups of people? And how is it an I win button? We dont kill you with it....
You use it to avoid the penaltyyou have earned, and obviously the devs agree with BH because snare negates it now.
So, what if I KD you/stasis and pull my swoop, hop a shuttle and logout at my house? Is Stasis now overpowered becuase I got away or wait, calling a swoop while having a BH tef?!
4000 healer j3di pre-fixAgain....staying alive hurt you how?! If we are healing, we are not attacking.....so I dont see the overpower there...
Until the fix J3di could outheal docs
Again, we spend hell of alot more time grinding for our heals. And again, our force doesnt last forever. We have a Force Bar, and it is limited.....so again, yea I see how limited healing is overpowerd. And Tell me, how many BH's had MASTER DOC in their temp? Didnt think any did, so therefore us outhealing Docs make sense...
The time argument is irrelevant to the devs. J3di aren't the super healers in this game, docs are.
Jedi weren't super healers, MASTER Docs should be. But, I dont know of any BH that has MAster Doc. But, yea that point is a bit irrelevant seen as Master DOCS could still outheal Jedi.
That's just a few of the overpowered j3di skill that had to be balanced.
Megasuperb wrote:
Id like to know when in the history of the game, were jedi OVERPOWERED? I'd like to know 1 point in the game Jedi were unbeatable? And not a select few Jedi, that were always a chore to take out, I mean every Jedi in the game not being able to be touched by a BH....
Next...
try again l337 j3di fanboi?
Lawl, far from l337...Round 3?
J3di smacked down.
Cpl_Fisher wrote:
Centaurius wrote:
I'm calling you out chump. You think it's your time? You think a jedi that half knows what he is doing will fall to you? Create a BH on bria (it will only take a few days at most) and look me up anytime under the name Centaur. I will gladly knock you directly of your effing high horse and into the shlt trail behind it. Use whatever template/macros/exploits you can dream up. Then you can come on here and cry h4x! and how jedi need to be nerfed more because you suck and cant win. And if you're reply is gonna be that as a jediI should be able to beat you I'll gladly wax your pathetic asss with my carbineer/bh. Oh wait I can hear the excuses coming already. Put up or shutup and since I know you won't put up i have one last thing to say PWND!
Message Edited by Centaurius on 10-28-2005 10:46 PM
It takes only a few days to amass a set of adk'd max health bonus armor tapped and aa'd out with an tripple capped adk'd weapon and he money to buy the best food on your galaxy? dang... I must suck balls then
Where did i say he needs to do that? Are you implying that is what is needed to win? I assure u even with all that he would still lose. And yes it really doesn't take long to acquire all that on Bria. Especially as a BH where you can sell the loot for a nice profit on the most overinflated economy in game. It took mea monthto adk my armor, my ls, my jedi's gloves, and 3 of my bh's weapons. But for 1 fight he doesn't need adk's does he? The money earned running missions to grind his template would buy good armorand the foods needed. Not to mentionthe best ranged PvP weapon available is a loot item, theNym's slugthrower. As for your sexual preference thats between you and your life partner.
You are actually making the case for the Jedi that they have been nerfed far too much. I hope the Devs and Project Managers are paying attention to this thread.
Claiming that Jedi shouldn't have any godmode, as you put it, is a total bastardization of Jedi and George Lucas's Stories and vision.
For example, these posts argue that Jedi shouldn't be able to block 85% of the rifle blasts, yet in the movies, you see even non-masters blocking 100% of the rifle blasts with a saber, and also reflecting those blasts back to the people shooting at them.
I agree Jedi shouldn't be so overpowered they hurt the game for others when the Jedi are 'ego a55es', but there are good Jedi that don't put themselves above others, do help people in the game, and worked hard to have some distinction in the game.
However, what you REALLY don't seem to understand right now, which I have been noticing with a lot of even long time BHs, is that Jedi is just another class, but is limited and currently the weakest combat profession.
Show me another profession that even a perfect weapon's max damage is around 700max damage +160 Elemental and the speed is 2.5secs. Even a TKM can hit harder with their bare hands.
Show me another profession that has 2000 resist armor in the Combat Tree, and not able to wear any other armor, and they have to use their skill points to obtain armor and defenses, and decide between them and abilities like healing states - again, which most professions get State recovery.
Jedi can only do Energy damage, so with 8000 armor and a PSG, their lightsaber is like a flyswater. (I know I have a damn good BH also.)
Also consider Jedi, even a MD, their Innate armor and defenses are only a 'few' points above a TKM, let alone a class than can buy good armor. My BH Toon has 8000 energy resist armor - better than a MD Jedi.
Jedi's heals have been nerfed so bad is it kind of sad, what used to help make them a 'better' class was their ability to heal until their force ran out. Now a CM4xxx can heal every 2secs, and heal better than a jedi. Also as a CM4xxx we can get Healing enhancment CAs, use a droid, BE Enhancments. Jedi get none of them. We can also Heal like this forever if we watch our foods, Jedi can't, they have a dropping force bar, so even if we suck at damage, all we have do is out heal them until their force is gone.
Also, go look up the Jedi Trees on the Web if you don't have a Jedi. Jedi no longer have any special abilities.
Ya, that sounds strange, but is true for the most part. For every ability a Jedi can get, you can find the SAME ability in a regular profession. The only exceptions are AI(worthless with snare), Cloak (although Rifle has Cover), Force Run 3 (And not able to do any damage) FR2, can be almost acheived with burst run foods, and the regular professions can do full damage.
At lesat in the old days Jedi had special abilities or tricks, even if they didn't mean or do much. Take animal scare, we can't even do that anymore.
Now take all this in a bit...
Truly, as I play both sides. Now look at all the abilities in the regular professions, and notice HOW MANY abilities in these professions Jedi can't even get.
And don't tell me I had a choice to not become a Jedi, that is not the point if your IQ is over 100. A lot of us became Jedi when we weren't the **edit** of the game, and at a time when we did have special abilities and were a bit more powerful and was sold on what Jedi was, not what it was. SOE gave us the year of grinding and the bait and swtich.
Right now if I need an uber toon, I pull out my BH that can snare/root a high level NPC. NPCS that can one hit kill even a MD Jedi are easy for me, as they don't even get close enough to hit me.
The new Creature and NPC intelligence in Pub 24 and the 'massive' damage hits from a lot of NPCs are not fair to all the melee classes, let alone just Jedi.
Truly for people that hunt a profession, it amazes me how little they know about it, how it is played for a lot of people, and how weak it is right now.
(And in the movies, the Jedi's were the heros, Yoda wasn't using a Rifle or a Powerhammer.)
Cpl_Fisher wrote:
Megasuperb wrote:
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crunchmalla wrote:
Armorwearing j3d pre-fixThat was way back when, when Jedi were rare. Armor didnt make them over powered, with saber tef and being allowed to be jumped by everyone in the area, I think armor made things FAIR saber teff could be completely avoided by deequiping your saber no dice there
LS Damage j3di (the actual unresistable LIGHTSABER damage)Wasnt unresistable, there were LS PSG's, no BH's really wore them. They were there. And most only wore them when ADK's were introduced...Hmmm how would you feel if 40% was easily blocked? precu I would have sold my best rifle for a cred if I could reduced saberblock to 40%
cloaker j3di pre-fixLol, what did a Cloaked Jedi do to harm you? Every DWB run after the server had been up for more than 20 hours or so. 20 SBD's is NOT cool in one room
m.def ai j3di pre-fixThe move is called "Avoid Incap" We spend months grinding just to get it.....yea I see how its over powered. Especially when it DOESNT last forever yea... an invincable tank.... for turrents and spin groups....
hybrid j3di pre-fix And this i still dont even know what this is... you can no longer use force powers with anything other than a LS equiped....
FR2/3 j3di pre-fix Again...how did moving faster then you can make them overpowered? OMg you cant keep up? CMN, it did have a Damage reduction.
The damage reduction WAS the fix. it was put in around publish 12
4000 healer j3di pre-fixAgain....staying alive hurt you how?! If we are healing, we are not attacking.....so I dont see the overpower there... freaking sad that a person who spent a much smaller percentage of there sp on healing could outheal a Mdoc or MCM. if x = the sp needed to get 4/0/0/o healer NOT including sp. then look at it this way x/226 < 131/250 .....Currently i can heal for 3000 in4 seconds not counting stims with 2-0-0-0 doc and 4-0-4-0 medic, balanced ? that kind of healing should be reserved for m.doc
That's just a few of the overpowered j3di skill that had to be balanced.
Megasuperb wrote:
Id like to know when in the history of the game, were jedi OVERPOWERED? I'd like to know 1 point in the game Jedi were unbeatable? And not a select few Jedi, that were always a chore to take out, I mean every Jedi in the game not being able to be touched by a BH....
NEXT.....
Message Edited by Cpl_Fisher on 10-29-2005 12:07 AM
TheNetAvenger wrote:
Love your logic, just wish it was real and not full of hyperbole.
You are actually making the case for the Jedi that they have been nerfed far too much. I hope the Devs and Project Managers are paying attention to this thread.
Claiming that Jedi shouldn't have any godmode, as you put it, is a total bastardization of Jedi and George Lucas's Stories and vision.
Nathanielstarr wrote:
TheNetAvenger wrote:
Love your logic, just wish it was real and not full of hyperbole.
You are actually making the case for the Jedi that they have been nerfed far too much. I hope the Devs and Project Managers are paying attention to this thread.
Claiming that Jedi shouldn't have any godmode, as you put it, is a total bastardization of Jedi and George Lucas's Stories and vision.
Typical j3di proganda -Jango killed a master and clone troopers and droids took the rest out without difficulty. Mace just got lucky otherwise Jango wouldve owned him too.
I'm not even going to read the rest. George Lucas said the Jedi were dead.
I wish they would stay dead. BH is finally the alpha class it deserves to be!
Plus only some Jedi were all that powerful Anakin, Obi Wan, Yoda, Mace....most who even trained from birth by the best died battling droids in the clone wars or at the hands of Clone troopers. Your Jedi was trained a few months ago by some second rate Jedi.
Mace, Obi-wan, & Anakinweren00blets too. The only real tough dogs were Yoda and the Emperor who only let mace win to trap that n00blet anakan. All player j3di should be worse than any other n00blet j3di, so in my opinion they are still too overpowered.
So to sum up.
George Lucas story already bastardized and watered down due to too many Jedi.
SOE should delete all player j3di.
You are not Anakin, Obi Wan, Yoda or Mace Windu they were the "godlike" Jedi, the average Jedi was quite mortal and DID die at the hands of clones and droids.
These n00blets don't even deserve to be called j3di.
You were not trained from birth by Yoda you were trained by some second rate not on the Jedi council Jedi a few months ago.
I wouldn't even call it trained, they exploited their way.
PLUS no game should have an alpha profession and especially shouldn't have thousands upon thousands of this alpha class.
Now here i'll say youre wrong, j3dishouldn't be in the game at all, so its just a screwup not an alpha class. BH is the real alpha and should stay that way because BH > ALL.