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Thread: Jedi from both aspects
KaliMaul wrote:
Ok, first, to let you know, I'm a jedi with an MBH alt. I started this topic to bring both sides closer, and help you understand the reasons why we do things. I don't play my jedi anymore, I never finished grinding him. Playing a BH is a lot more fun and he is actually a lot stronger. So first, as a BH I must say: yes, jedi hunting is annoying. Most jedi run or cloak if they see you, or simply are afk sitting in a house. It is annoying to spend 40 minutes chasing a jedi and then see the +Cloak+ sign above his head. Some of our NPC missions need a lot of time too, because of the NPCs wandering around randomly, being inside a house, etc. And I'm still on the jedi's side. Why? Well imagine this. You spent about 5 months to unlock your toon and grind a HUGE amount of xp. You could have using nades and get it fast, or be a powergrinder 24/7, it doesn't really matter. After the grind and unlocks you finnaly get the old man visit, kill Mel, start the paddy trials. Oh, I'm talking about post-cu jedis now. So you finally get your saber and can start your jedi grind. Our problems start here. First, vis is inavoidable. Yes, group members don't give vis anymore, but as long as all the people grind in one place, they are going to bike near you, ungroup while you're fighting, coming close to you and asking for an invite, etc. You can't tell all the noobs one by one not to come close, and even if you could it would be too late. Other than that, all invisible vendors inside a house, random NPC spawns, everything can cause vis. And once you have vis you will gain more because you have to have all your force defenses and infusion turned on 24/7, and BH fights give more vis too. Second, post-cu jedis have no weapons. Oh yes, the mighty lightsabers. Imagine that you had to kill 1000 (and it's not a joke) krayts to get a weapon that is maybe a little above average. It can't be sliced, it can't be puped. You also have to get a 12pts LS crafting suit somehow. So please understand, crafting a lightsaber is NOT EQUAL to going to a famous weaponsmith and buying a rifle for 8 mils, then ADKing it. And even the best lightsabers have a lot lower damage, higher sac, and higher speed than a good gun. Grinding is a real PAIN, as you need a lot of xp (20k for novices - nothing. 200k for tier1 skills, 400k for tier2, 800k for tier3, etc.) and the gained xp is 1/5th or 1/6th of the normal amount. Anyway, even if you grinded a lot, CMs and Docs outheal us, BHs outdamage us, etc. So what remains for a jedi? Specials. Jedi can FR, cloak, AI, and that's it. Are you still surprised that we run instead of fighting? Actually, jedis can't win a fight. They can either lose or kill the BH (or run away) but can never win. Even full-template post-cu jedis can't really kill a good BH with the best CAs and AAs. By the way, these don't even seem to work for jedis sometimes. And why don't full-template jedis stay and fight? Well if you wanted to change your template, you wouldn't want to start from -10m xp, would you? After that, everyone says 'stop crying' if a post-cu jedi starts complaining. BHs say: 'come on, you're the alpha-class', pre-cu jedis say 'the grind is so easy for you', they can never actually see that this grind is pointless.
Please don't flame. I did not write this post as a cry post, I do not want anything nerfed. I just want all the BHs (and jedis) to understand the aspects and motivations of each other.
This was impossible to read. Use paragraphs.
Mallize wrote:>This was impossible to read. Use paragraphs.
Dude, we're on the forums! Be glad I used capitals and interpunctuation.
you have 7 friends everytime online to help to you grinding ???
look this clearly isn't a jedi from both aspects. Dont sit on the fence but make your choice.I stated at the start you can dabble in 6 different lines and a BH can pick and chose as well.
WHy aren't pearls dropping? I tell you. Because if all jedi have perfect sabers they'd be unbeatable 1v1 and we'd be back to asking for mutiply bh's per jedi again. And for those who say bh's can solo a jedi knight with a perfect saber, think again. Only if you are extremely lucky can you do this (done it once or twice) or the playing is a fool. Getting hit for 939 a pop every 2 seconds cannot be countered by any healing abilities.
You truely have an amazing profession. I implore you to use it
Laney_1uk wrote:look this clearly isn't a jedi from both aspects. Dont sit on the fence but make your choice. I stated at the start you can dabble in 6 different lines and a BH can pick and chose as well.
WHy aren't pearls dropping? I tell you. Because if all jedi have perfect sabers they'd be unbeatable 1v1 and we'd be back to asking for mutiply bh's per jedi again. And for those who say bh's can solo a jedi knight with a perfect saber, think again. Only if you are extremely lucky can you do this (done it once or twice) or the playing is a fool. Getting hit for 939 a pop every 2 seconds cannot be countered by any healing abilities.
You truely have an amazing profession. I implore you to use it
Hey, I never said I have problems with ganking. The devs shouldn't have changed the jedi vs BH to a 1v1 fight, they should have taken back pearls. If I had a perfect (or at least good) lightsaber, I would accept being ganked by 4 BHs...
Thassk wrote:
aquiring jedi right now is the EASIEST its ever been ... visibility can be controlled COMPLETELY at this point by getting a grinding group of friends together and going to some remote location ....
everyone who plays this game plans on playing for a year at least ... getting jedi is not hard when you think to yourself how you would be playing the game anyway ...
there is no possible argument you can come up with for saying jedi need any more leg ups .. they have it easier than they ever have ... enjoy it while it lasts ...
Message Edited by Thassk on 08-23-2005 02:41 AM
i agree to a certain point anyways but i grinded totally vis but the new system imo shud be random so all jedi get hunted i feel this is only fair. as for grinding jedi "really" fast it still takes a lot of time but i admit aoe grps really boost the xp but it is in no way fast. just faster. i think the jedi grind shud be more than this as jedi can be the best prof in the game if u know how to use 1 post cu . i was a post cu jedi and grinded non stop and i do mean non stop for 5weeks to get the template I 1st wanted. but tbh m8 u sound like u have pre cu jedi and are whining coz other peeps got there jedi faster. which is wrong on ure part. its not the jedi's fault its the developers fault and the developers fault alone.I would also like to say mbh mcm 4tw ( i am a jedi and i love this toe to toe fighting i fought and lost and sumtimes win against these templates and i love fighting them as it is truely a gr8 challenge )