Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: (TANKS)jedi + dabbler = unkillable
Cpl_Fisher
Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:47 pm
#40
ilponn wrote:
???? so if i miss which every bh does 4-10 shot miss we have six shot 3 gets blocked that is 3 shots root kd snare
- the snare as this does not work against jedi for some reason,
which is 2 shots, root and kd wow great odds dont you think to kill a jedi with 2-4 shot out of 10,the root is on a timer
to all mbh never hunt jedi again let them have the game i want balance.
there is no frist strike in the field at the moment because they see you before we reach them and they are ready for you.???????
I have to wave the bs flag, I have gotten away from a mark before by snaring him, unequiping my weapon, and burst running out of there up the steepest hill I could find. force run gives them +33 terrain negotiation. you have 40, if you eat terrain neg food, you cap at +50 for runnning, and canslip away.
TheRealStarwind
Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:48 pm
#41
mm...im just skippin all the other posts and postin this...we worked for it...most of us prepub9 jedis hate the way things went...but they happend so we live with it.Your a noob...WORK FOR JEDI! We deserve to be a LITTLE more powerful than anyone else...makes sw acutally sw! If jedi wernt as powerful as we are...this game would be a joke to the star wars saga...we are suposed to be a little more powerful (not by much...but by a little). My say in things here...i think im done...
WAIT I FORGOT TO ADD.."YOU FRICKIN NOOB!". mmk im done
May the force be with you young one.
WAIT I FORGOT TO ADD.."YOU FRICKIN NOOB!". mmk im done
May the force be with you young one.
RebsBeware
Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:48 pm
#42
OhBuggah wrote:
With the Publish 19 changes, of course you need healer in your template. Are you seriously coming here crying about losing because you don't even have Novice Medic? Because of the Publish 19 changes, the only time a BH shouldn't have Novice Medic in his template is when he's going up against a Jedi who doesn't have any healing in his template either. Guess what? EVERY Jedi has Jedi Healing in his template. If they have it, adapt and get it too. With Novice Medic you can heal for 1000-1100 every few seconds with +25 Healing Efficiency threads.
BTW, if you find yourself with armor break on you getting hit for 800 every second, eat a steak. I agree that MLS/MD Jedi with exploited out-of-balance pre-CU sabers and flawless pearls hit hard, but you're just going to have to adapt.
Maura, I'm finally fed up with the sound of your voice. You think you know everything related to bh, and talk condescendingly to everyone, jedi and other bh alike. You are a nub bh, your kill count means nothing, I stopped counting a LONG time ago, I'd estimate at 2-3 a day for the middle 12 months, a bit quicker since the cu due to the target rich environment, abit slower from 12-18 monthsor so agowhen there were less of them. Over a 1000 either way, I've killed plenty, we all have, it doesnt mean a lot. I was a hunter pre player jedi, big wow.
Your constant prattling drivel about the ' i want to be able to eject jedi from private structures ' is the most insane idiocy I've ever heard, truly it is. What right do you have to make a guy sat in his house while he is on the toilet/feeding his kids/kissing his wife/making his dinner/doing ANYTHING HE WANTS suddenly pop out for you to attack? Beyond belief.
Two things wrong here with this post for example : -
- All jedi have healer in their template - WRONG - A friend of mine runs a MLS/MEnh/Defender dabbling temp, and heals only using 1200 effect stim D's and ruby bliel. He is acknowledged as being one of the truly hardest jedi to kill on our server, his damage output twinned with his inability to be scratched is awesome.
- If being armour broken eat a steak - WRONG - This would limit you to survivng 4 armour breaks due to the 25-27 average fill on steaks, assuming you hadnt eaten the vegeparsine, or the canape to stack on your breath of wind, or any other food of your choice. Madness. You will be armour broken approximately every 15-30 secs by a good full temp, and so survive by this method for120 secs. Use a kd, or better yet a paralyse, and get to where you should be which is over 32m away, unless fighting a cloaker.
Cry more newb, your motto? Please, spam less rubbish newb.
Do the BH community a favour and /shush self.
/rantoff
DrMosh
Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:09 pm
#43
ilponn wrote:
why be a cm or doc no why so i lose more accuracy and the game become heal heal heal heal shot heal heal heal shot,,,
Does being a CM only mean healing to you. CM's are the deadliest combo with the BH. Infact full templated jedi's fear the good ones. First off, with first strike capabilities, your first strike can be paralyze. Which means the jedi can't move. Your second attack is a series of poisons and fires. Top that with Advanced Critical and you'll start wearing them away in no time. They'll go through force trying to heal themselves from the poison and fire dots that they won't be able to heal fast enough. If they do, they'll run out of force.
sound to me jedi cant stand people being diffrent or any thing where is your sences come on think about it ffs,
Different then what? We are different and thats why we choose the professions. Yes *gasp*, I'm a jedi. A few of us either have BH alts or have gotten our butts kicked enough that we know what works and what doesn't and can offer insight.
stop flameing for a start this is a bh forum not a jedi flame bh forums i want my profession to good as well
but with all you jedi whiner asking for respec and to nerf cm like you do go cry over there.
Let me put this bluntly, any jedi complaining and needing a respec is an idiot. While there are some things in CM that I don't like, it's not unbeatable. No profession is unbeatable as long as you learn how to use your own.
ok my maths is not good or my spelling but does that make me a lesser person ??no
Hey, who cares what other people think or say...
your all blined by your own greedy little fat faces i want it to be fair,
This is why people get flamed.
i would understand if a jedi master can do this but not a full temp paddy???
We need to distinguish a few things here.
1.) There are no jedi masters, and until the FRS comes out.. there won't be any. As it is right now, everyone is a full templated padawan. Nothing more.
2.) A full templated Padawan can do that. Especially one so close to master defender. With the right foods (ie: vegeparsin) there defenses can be HUGE.
and you want us to hunt you lol get real im not your punch bag or your fun,i do this for fun of me winning not you.
i cant fight my own corner with out people jumping on me like there is no tommorrow
jedi cornerd the market in the best equiment and +25 tapes and mando and jetpacks these are mbh equiment but only jedi can get it ???
This is quite curious because you make it sound like a conspiracy. Either way, jedi have no interest in mandalorian armor and the only +25 tapes they care about are ones that increase their saber speed, defences, force, or force regen. All of which have no bearing on you. Mandalorian armor is the rarest armor in the game and can only be crafted at the bottom of the DeathWatchBunker on endor. To my knowledge, only 2 full suits have ever been crafted and the stats on them are crapAs far as the jet pack goes. It's no better then an AV21 in my book. You don't need one to be a BH because it's just another vehicle. No different then a BARC or Swoop, the only difference is that you're hovering farther off the ground then the others. The same physics of turning still apply.
My best advice is check out the forums and read up on this stuff. For armor you're going to want to look at R.I.S. Tapes can be found on the trade forums of your particular galaxy but they're expensive. Not because a jedi has it and is extorting money from you, but because they are so hard to find.
cos they got armour or weapon smith alts armour for a good set is 1.2 mill tapes are 20 mill a piece and then weapons and then sliceing the stuff and then a adk for all your stuff as well????
I'm not too sure about this. Most jedi have BH alts, but yes some have weaponsmith and armorsmiths as well. I think what you'll find though is that people actually pay for more then one account and the second account is a crafting account. I'm not talking jedi inparticular but a lot of people in general. I know personally of one guy on my server who has and pays for 7 accounts. It's hard to compete with people like that, so crafting is usually for the devoted. ADK's are available to everyone, you just need to play/pay for the game for more then 360 days (1 year)
it is a free country i can write and say what i want with out percecussion.sorry about the spelling you school teacher out there
AMEN
but i cant be a$$
Seriously, if you need help or have questions.. send me a private message here on the boards and I'd be more then happy. I think a lot of people here would be more then happy to help you. I think everyone understands your frustration and most everyone has gone through it at one point or another. I personally think BH's got the shaft on pub 20. I would have been happy with them removing visibility all together.. not change the terminals as drastic as they are.
Good luck mate!
Message Edited by DrMosh on 07-19-2005 12:11 AM
ilponn
Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:08 am
#44
if im a mc mbh i dont get to where 8100 armourm,
i use assualt and battle no recon im not a rifle man ffs if you read my posts you noob jedi really read it,this was a test i was not crying i was not dieing or anything like that,
it was a test ???? ffs
pisses me of when you dont read it and just flame it shows you are noobs please read it all not just the frist 2 lines
i use assualt and battle no recon im not a rifle man ffs if you read my posts you noob jedi really read it,this was a test i was not crying i was not dieing or anything like that,
it was a test ???? ffs
pisses me of when you dont read it and just flame it shows you are noobs please read it all not just the frist 2 lines
Message Edited by ilponn on 07-19-2005 09:34 AM
Quiet420
Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:58 am
#45
look man...I don't know any other way to say this....just shut up....you go back and read all the replies...hell, read your own posts....people have tried to help you...all you do is spell horribly while calling everyone noobs...including your own correspondant....I mean jeez...look at the post prior to your last one....the guy was trying to help....your the only one who is having problems of this magnitude...I understand there is some type of communication issue here, english doesn't appear to be your primary language...but that only goes so far as an excuse...please...do yourself a favor...before you post again, reread the whole thread...look up any words that maybe are unclear...and if necessary...go home and reexamine your life. seriously man...just give it a rest, please.
Pawnbroker-DC
Tue Jul 19, 2005 2:00 am
#46
Valkyrie36 wrote:
My question is...
Why do you pay someone for this much stress?
QFE
ilponn
Tue Jul 19, 2005 2:20 am
#47
what ??? when i get people telling me to where 8100 armour and i cant cos im a mbh mc ????
i dont now i really dont i test i get flamed form every one and you say to me etc etc etc,
look at what the people say to me and im suppose to take it ,i dont think so.
its a free country and i say what i like spell how i like when i like, if you dont like it read the papaer i dont ask you to read this.
i dont want people like you to read it anyway ,im glad people try and help i really am. but when jedi can flame me for trying to get data for my profession and get the numbers and tactics right.
so we can be successful but the bias jedi dont want that do they,
like i was saying
we dont get frist strike because of all the buggs in the game.
master carbinners cant where recon armour can they,
ive got the best weapons and tapes +50 to accuracy and speed 2x+25 each genral and normal tapes.
melee def 230
ranged def 300
accuracy 300
speed 155 ,with out food or buffs
carbine 1200 max dam
320 dps
sac 73
with pu
armour 7100 battle armour with no slice i cant find any of the components (please tell me where)
ive killed over 200 jedi in the time ive been a mbh since launch i dont bottam feed never had ,i go for the full temps.
thx to everyone in this post who tryed to help
sorry to all the bh who tryed to help me but not to the trolls.
flame me more
i dont now i really dont i test i get flamed form every one and you say to me etc etc etc,
look at what the people say to me and im suppose to take it ,i dont think so.
its a free country and i say what i like spell how i like when i like, if you dont like it read the papaer i dont ask you to read this.
i dont want people like you to read it anyway ,im glad people try and help i really am. but when jedi can flame me for trying to get data for my profession and get the numbers and tactics right.
so we can be successful but the bias jedi dont want that do they,
like i was saying
we dont get frist strike because of all the buggs in the game.
master carbinners cant where recon armour can they,
ive got the best weapons and tapes +50 to accuracy and speed 2x+25 each genral and normal tapes.
melee def 230
ranged def 300
accuracy 300
speed 155 ,with out food or buffs
carbine 1200 max dam
320 dps
sac 73
with pu
armour 7100 battle armour with no slice i cant find any of the components (please tell me where)
ive killed over 200 jedi in the time ive been a mbh since launch i dont bottam feed never had ,i go for the full temps.
thx to everyone in this post who tryed to help
sorry to all the bh who tryed to help me but not to the trolls.
flame me more
Message Edited by ilponn on 07-19-2005 10:35 AM
Thassk
Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:51 am
#48
atjs2004 wrote:
In the time it took you to get all your mbh stuff there is no possible way to unlock jedi i did majority of my jedi with holos and then slowly finished it out with village and it took forever. With my alt i went to a bh template and i played forhalf a day at most and got to bh4441 cm 4000 rifles 0003 and bought my weapons. So if you havent grinded jedi and bh pls dont say that you could have done 3 jedi to 1 bh because it is almost impossible unless you power grind jedi and then take forever to do bh.
i disagree with you 100% .... the grind to get BH .. PLUS the grind to get decent gear for BH is in fact three times longer .... ive been playing since august 2004 and i still havent accumilated the credits or looted the equipment i will need to be satisfied agaisnt a jedi ....it has taken me very long ...and we arent even discussing how long it takes a BH to learn tactics and become experienced enough to fight a template much stronger than him ...
in my eyes the jedi template, in its current state... was designed to fight off a possible gank squad of five players ....not one ... the healing nerf was neutralized by the fact jedi damage and armor was much improved ....
i would say maybe 20% to 30% of the players who are bounty hunters are equipped to fight jedi solo at this time .. thats only 3 out of ten players .. this includes bounties from 190 to 226k ...i come to this conclusion because i run a bounty hunter guild on my server with 60+ hunters ... this isnt a blind guess ...
this alienates a lot of less skilled players from the profession's endgame content ...
this becomes an issue when youtake into retrospect the amount of attention developers have put into balancing jedi andprotecting them from bounty hunters ... at a time where i estimate65% of the jediknew how to protect themselves .. from visibility orfrom a BH encounter by escaping and hiding, grinding hidden away on kashyyk.. or actually defeatBH in an ecnounter .. and only 35% were being slaughtered... yet that 35% who were being constatly killed were listened to ... and given mechanics to make their lives easier ... now here we have 70 % at LEAST of the bh population not equipped to fight full template jedi ( which will be the only jedi on the terms since group vis is taken out) ..
we desperately need something to balance our game experience VS the jedi.. and im not saying this to benefit myself ... i can deal with loss .. my true calling is being a guild leader not a bounty hunter .... but i fear for the community ... i dont want to see a guild i have put sweat and tears into ... spent much of my hard earned credits into ... and most of my in-game time into ... fall apart and evaporate because players find that becoming a jedi at this point is easier and more rewarding than fighting upstream as a BH ...
i am enouraging them to stick it out .. and have faith in the developers as i do .. i have promised them they will not leave us out to dry .. that they will implement something to give our guild a viable reason to exist ... because with publish 20 ... there is no need for BH guilds now .. where we once collected intel on jedi .. shared our findings and strategies ... and reported AFK grinders hidden in kashyyk ... we now will have no information whatsoever to work with ....
i will say again ... i DO have faith in the developers ... and i do think they will come to the rescue and save our profession .. we just have to wait .. and be patient
and this profession is very important to me as an alternative end game experience .. because a game with only jedi as end game .. in my opinion ... wont hold subscriptions for long ... in that strong belief of mine, resides my faith in the devs, because i believe the developers understand this as well .. and will give our profession LOTS of love in upcoming publishes...
so hang in there guys ... i think the days ahead of us are going to make us all happy ..and make our profession a greater one..
Message Edited by Thassk on 07-19-2005 06:02 AM
mindspat
Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:13 am
#49
Tanks wrote:
ilponn wrote:
and all i say is we are not ive got the best weapons the best food best armour ,hes got 4440 def and the rest hes a dabbler.and still he has 3000 health,so no double master for jedi to get 3000 health ,
i was hiting him for 300 with critical shot when it landed i fired 10 shot 2 hit 3 blocked 5 missed so this is like 85% saber block
and he hit me for 900 damage with a crap saber 4 hits im dead and they want us to hunt solo
First, MLS gets 25% Saber block, if 3 out of 10 shots are blocked, then that is pretty close to 25% within the limited sample of 10 shots, not 85% block.
Next, as far as misses go, what was your accuracy, did you have foods, buffs etc.
As far as taking damage, did you have /duelist stance active, high energy resist armor with armor break slice, again what kind of foods?
Also, if he had a crap saber he could not have hit you for 900 damage after all of your mitigation.
As far as damage go, did you have high accuracy to overcome his defenses, did you KD and do your max damage attack?
A lot of variables, but you give no information except getting beat.
What's begining to irk me is there's so many players involved within the community who are showing that their ownignorance is getting the best of them. Lately it's even been a more prelevant issue with the corospondents.
It's a no brainer to say that some Jedi abilities are still missplaced within the availble skill sheet. We all know through an unbiased view that Armor break is out of place for a dablers template. If the improved form of Armor Break is moved to LM (yesthere's no skill titled MLS just as Tera Kasi are not called MTKA) you will begin to see the heart of hte problem correctd.
Having a 60% armor debuff is complete out of line for anything other then a lightsaber mastery. There was a similar propblem with ImprovedSap which debuffed regeneration by 60% and it's since been reduced.
The 60% armorbreak is not the problem, it's the location that thisskill is earned which needs to be looked at. Move it to Mastery and most of the issues relating to the community of Bountyhunters will be resolved.
Tanks, this needs to be your #1 issue.
LM for the win!!
*if anyone is on bria send me a tell/pm/mail if they would like to test.
SuperStisco
Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:22 am
#50
stop cry no0b bhs. Go get weapons, tactics and you'll be able to kill a full temp jeid..... cry cry cry all bhs can do right? 
Thassk
Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:25 am
#51
SuperStisco wrote:
stop cry no0b bhs. Go get weapons, tactics and you'll be able to kill a full temp jeid..... cry cry cry all bhs can do right?
very articulated argument my friend ... you are a prime example of the alpha player in this game ...
well thought out .. well executed ... im sure you truely grasp the mmorpg community dynamic
Skysco
Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:34 am
#52
Removed by myself for stupidity
Message Edited by Skysco on 07-19-2005 04:41 PM