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Thread: Insane LS damage?
Enix_Dayspring wrote:
Guys, try to learn something about Jedi skills before you post here.
Most likely the Jedi did armor break on you (65% armor reduction) and was doing head hit over and over. If you were standing still and letting him beat on you instead of kiting, he was probably doing power attack which is much more powerful.
If your weapon was doing pitiful damage, the Jedi was probably a maste defender with aura on.
What type of armor were you wearing? If you were wearing the assault armor that BHs are certed for, its weak against energy damage which is what lightsabers do.
Dont assume someone is cheating just because you were beat.
mindspat wrote:
Ramblen wrote:
You guys... MLS is what is killing you... If a jedi lands a ADV. Armor Break he will hit you for 800+ everytime. if he uses power attack 2 he will hit you for 1k+ during armor break. These are not bugs. Even with crapy armor and a crappy saber(525-644 damage) I can hit for these numbers.
ram
Oh and if you are that close to the jedi you are hunting you arent a very good BH.....
Message Edited by Ramblen on 07-21-2005 07:54 AM
I will hit BHs with this sequence of attacks:
/armorbreak
/stun
/blind
/AdvancedSaberThrow KD is hits(second most damaging attack)
*/powerHit (if KD'd with armorbreak I can hit for up to1300 on best case scenario)
*/AdvancedSaberThrow (this attack is about 15%-20% less damage then /powerhit under best case - around 1k-1100 dmg)
At this point I will toggle low damge attacks that have a high rate of succession with the intent to overwhelm an opponet and force them into a form of shock or healing frenzy:
/ForceSuppression (root)
/saberHit
/saberStrike
/armorBreak
/stun
/blind
These attacks are an idea and I attempt to ensure they do not conflict with timers on other attacks.
Well at least you know what you are talking about 
That is what I do (w/o adv throw cause I dont have it) lol making the BH's heal like made and use half there mind in 2 mintes is great.
On the other side, BH's dont need to be that close in the first place... noobs and respec'ers are complaining now because they had been picking on lvl 50-70 jedi since the respec. Now that pub 20 is here they have too actually fight a full temp jedi and are finding out it takes skill and 25+ minutes to take one out. My last full temp kill took 33 minutes.
tren
mindspat wrote:
Thassk wrote:
mindspat wrote:
Farenheit wrote:
Radiophonicus wrote:
Well I'm not claiming it's a bug, or an exploit or anything of the sort, but I am claiming that it's rediculous.
This is how bull crap starts to fly around here.... I can hit between 800 and 1100 and I never EVER exploit. Plus with accuracy drinks, food and the like, i can do it and do it consistently.
How do you account for rifleman that can deal out 1500+ damage though? They exploiters as well?
Please stop with the never ending exploit calls when you do not even know what you are saying.
1500? THAT'S IT?!?!?!
I had a guildie test out a few things with me with my reserve pistol. They had master pistoleer and were sticking me with 1800 points of damage. The pistol was not pup'd at the time and has a max damage of 998.
w/ pup the pistol is 1137max (common numberseen on stats and damage throughout the post cu game)
I have thoughtabout getting another account just to make a MBH/Pistoleer although I can not bring myself to further support SOE or their studios lack of foresight and incompotence.
i had master pistoleer with a max damage 1050 FWG and let me say hitting over a few hundred on a jedi with that pistol as a master pistoleer was EXTREMELY RARE ... i highly doubt this is accurate
I'm not sure if I had deleted the screen shots while cleaning up my portfolio although I'll try to check later - please feel free to send me a PM or ingame tell to bria.mindspat
Could you imagine the shock I was having when getting nailed for 1800? lol I think the site I've used to host my screenies is down although there's a nice one in there showing the particular Twi'liek hammering away on me and getting a KD.
Yes, 1800 is VERY possible if the equation is perfect.
Man, I really think I'm going to pick up MBH just to wail on some Jedi.
Message Edited by Thassk on 07-21-2005 12:36 PM
BonoU2 wrote:
Well it would seem that everyone of these Jedi like to blame the insane amount of damage they can do on our lack of:
a: proper defenses
b: weapon and tactics
There is a inbalance in the game and that is LS damage. Now it seems that there is a bug that alows Jedi to "load" up a saber to do even more damage. Nothing is ever going to change around here. Jedi will cry Nerf this and nerf that. They will never be satisfied until they can do 10k damage each second, heal for 10k each second and all without any force or action costs.
It just seems to me that what this game needs big time is a Ranged Armor break that comes at mastrer level to every ranged profession. Roots that actually root for more the 2 seconds, snares that actually slow down Jedi and damage outputs that are in the 800 - 1k range (just as the Jedi have)
Until then this game is FUBAR
When it comes to PvP, too many people just look at the max damage of their weapons. pvp is about the minimum damage on weapons. normal weapons have huge damagee ranges, like 400-1100 rifles, excelent max, but crap min damage.
Sabers are different. they have small damage ranges, sometimes less than 100 points. its not uncommon for a pre-cu saber with premium pearls to have something in the region of 610-700 + 220 elemental. thats a minimum of ~830 damage before other factors.
Thats the primary reason why sabers dish out more damage. factor in Armour break, KD and power attack and its easy to reach 1500 damage in a single attack. or average 900 with head/body/leg hit
Thassk wrote:
mindspat wrote:
Thassk wrote:
mindspat wrote:
Farenheit wrote:
Radiophonicus wrote:
Well I'm not claiming it's a bug, or an exploit or anything of the sort, but I am claiming that it's rediculous.
This is how bull crap starts to fly around here.... I can hit between 800 and 1100 and I never EVER exploit. Plus with accuracy drinks, food and the like, i can do it and do it consistently.
How do you account for rifleman that can deal out 1500+ damage though? They exploiters as well?
Please stop with the never ending exploit calls when you do not even know what you are saying.
1500? THAT'S IT?!?!?!
I had a guildie test out a few things with me with my reserve pistol. They had master pistoleer and were sticking me with 1800 points of damage. The pistol was not pup'd at the time and has a max damage of 998.
w/ pup the pistol is 1137max (common numberseen on stats and damage throughout the post cu game)
I have thoughtabout getting another account just to make a MBH/Pistoleer although I can not bring myself to further support SOE or their studios lack of foresight and incompotence.
i had master pistoleer with a max damage 1050 FWG and let me say hitting over a few hundred on a jedi with that pistol as a master pistoleer was EXTREMELY RARE ... i highly doubt this is accurate
I'm not sure if I had deleted the screen shots while cleaning up my portfolio although I'll try to check later - please feel free to send me a PM or ingame tell to bria.mindspat
Could you imagine the shock I was having when getting nailed for 1800? lol I think the site I've used to host my screenies is down although there's a nice one in there showing the particular Twi'liek hammering away on me and getting a KD.
Yes, 1800 is VERY possible if the equation is perfect.
Man, I really think I'm going to pick up MBH just to wail on some Jedi.
i just cant believe you had screen shots of that .. please show me... you wont even find pistoleers hitting PvE mobs for that much damage
Message Edited by Thassk on 07-21-2005 11:42 AM
trenity88 wrote:
mindspat wrote:
Ramblen wrote:
You guys... MLS is what is killing you... If a jedi lands a ADV. Armor Break he will hit you for 800+ everytime. if he uses power attack 2 he will hit you for 1k+ during armor break. These are not bugs. Even with crapy armor and a crappy saber(525-644 damage) I can hit for these numbers.
ram
Oh and if you are that close to the jedi you are hunting you arent a very good BH.....
Message Edited by Ramblen on 07-21-200507:54 AM
I will hit BHs with this sequence of attacks:
/armorbreak
/stun
/blind
/AdvancedSaberThrow KD is hits(second most damaging attack)
*/powerHit (if KD'd with armorbreak I can hit for up to1300 on best case scenario)
*/AdvancedSaberThrow (this attack is about 15%-20% less damage then /powerhit under best case - around 1k-1100 dmg)
At this point I will toggle low damge attacks that have a high rate of succession with the intent to overwhelm an opponet and force them into a form of shock or healing frenzy:
/ForceSuppression (root)
/saberHit
/saberStrike
/armorBreak
/stun
/blind
These attacks are an idea and I attempt to ensure they do not conflict with timers on other attacks.
Well at least you know what you are talking about
On the other side, BH's dont need to be that close in the first place... noobs and respec'ers are complaining now because they had been picking on lvl 50-70 jedi since the respec. Now that pub 20 is here they have too actually fight a full temp jedi and are finding out it takes skill and 25+ minutes to take one out. My last full temp kill took 33 minutes.
tren
Thank you!
What makes me laugh more then anything else is seeing Master Rifleman stand toe-to-toe and Pistoleers who do not use intmidation or kite their opponets. The problem is that this poor game play is overly common.
same thing happened to me last night WITHOUT armor break.
7985 energy resist armor. I was standing up, NOT kd'd. 1100, 778,778,1100. i am a mcm and COULD NOT keep up with the damage. jedi was 3444 ls, not MLS.
fought another jedi after, armor break, hit for 768 whichis NORMAL.
i know the saber was overloaded.......but nothing will be done about it.
There's other abilities that will cause you to take slightly more damage. 1100 without armorbreak? Do you have a combat log you can post to show this?
i would have if i thought about it......but as stated in the harassment terms or whatever they are called, screenshots, logs, and the likes aren't admissible as evidence. and to call a csr only for the said jedi to switch sabers just seemed silly.
and even in the case of me posting this log, which is now obsolete because of the tabs dissapearing every night, i'd still find a bunch of trolls yelling fake or whatever else you can think about.
all i am asking, SOE, someone, INVESTIGATE THIS, and TELL us that we are wrong.
hundreds of people claiming the same thing..................AT LEAST LOOK AT IT.
800 damage is normal for a lightsaber, what is abnormal here, your weapon probably bugged. IF that's case, try unequipping / reequipping your weapon.
New proton series weapons has still serious bugs.
Illyaz wrote:
neelong wrote:
Sazars wrote:
there used to be a bug where jedi could overload their lightsaber with crystals and hit for about 800 damage standing up(pre cu that was alot of damage) and i think i heard that it is back
Oh its back. There are a couple of Jedi on my server that hit me for over 850 a pop ever second while I am standing up. I treat it like its a fire and try to stay back as far as I can while I wave the flames.The funniest thing that happened to me was when I was KD'd by one of these great Jedi of our time frame... I was hit for 580 with saber throw which KD'd me and then was hit for 2.2K of damage 2x in 1 second. So not only was my Jedi friend using an overloaded saber he was also using a cute little macro that helps him hit two times in one second.
Its getting beat by these guys and then having them /hi5 their friends that makes me so unbearably happy. I hope they let me sit at their lunch table and talk to them some day.
Yes I so do hate the mascot friend, the one always with the clever one liner when his Jedi friend Db's you..Message Edited by Illyaz on 07-21-2005 07:44 AM
I hate the Jedi grinding cheerleaders. They sit there and spam offer ride, and park their cars on you, or just plain grief the entire fight. I mean its nothing personal just how us bounty hunters conduct business!
mindspat wrote:
Enix_Dayspring wrote:
Guys, try to learn something about Jedi skills before you post here.
Most likely the Jedi did armor break on you (65% armor reduction) and was doing head hit over and over. If you were standing still and letting him beat on you instead of kiting, he was probably doing power attack which is much more powerful.
If your weapon was doing pitiful damage, the Jedi was probably a maste defender with aura on.
What type of armor were you wearing? If you were wearing the assault armor that BHs are certed for, its weak against energy damage which is what lightsabers do.
Dont assume someone is cheating just because you were beat.
Please ignore this posters statement before it causes more confussion. Defender xx4x/ImprovedAura will NOT mitigate damage in PvP and will ONLY affect aMELEE attacks ability to land a sucessull hit.
The more likely event would have been Defender xxx4 /ImprovedValor which is a +25 saber block that can show "####" then follwed by +BLOCK+ in the floating combat spam.
ok mr "i-know-everything" after seeing you posting wrong informations again and again... advanced aura adds +500 DEFENSE (ranged and melee ... ), so with foods, pikatta pie (around 50% def boost), BE Clothes and the "innate" defender melee / ranged defs you can reach up to 1k defense and if you dont have 1k accuracy it will mitigate your damage, also the damage of your attacks will be calculated by min damage of your weapon, not max damage ... so please learn the game mechanics before posting bullcrap like 70% of the other kids in this forum who cannot play their class and cry for nerfs, etc... its ridiculous, know your enemy, know your template and you can still beatsome full temp jedi, yes even with master bh template.
/wave
you want to go home and rethink your life
Divine -- it is possible that the person you fought was cheating. But please do not assume that everyone who can do 800-1100 damage with a saber is cheating. I have 4 pearls and a named color crystal in my saber. i made 30-40 of them before I picked the one that i kept. My saber is prolly worth more than everything you can wear at once including your ADKs. I used THE best resources ever on my server. I kept making sabers until I got 98% effeciency and still had points left for damage. I have 4 premium pearls(over 10 mil each i would guess...). I do not cheat and I resent it when people assume that I am cheating just because I have spent a lot of effort learning and preparing.
If you still think the damage is wrong, you are correct. LS don't do enough. Go do anything PvE and you will find, Ms Divine, that you as the rifleman will take the agro away from a full template jedi. The output you normally have far exceeds that of a jedi. What causes you trouble is the space between min and max damage. Most mobs have a lot less mitigation than a player. In PvE you will always outdamage me, but in PvP when we are both driven to our min damages, mine might be a little above yours (590ish min damage plus elemental).
I do not accuse you of cheating, nor do I assume the worst of you just because you a BH. Please afford me the same.
I have to agree with RydOnRadiant here, its possible to hit for that much damage and hit once a second without using a exploit.
I can hit for 1k easily once a sec... and its not a exploit.
I have mls, forcespeed, 4 pearls nearperfect with -.29 speed on them, and speed ca's, add the doc buff 40%, factor all them together and you can accomplish it.