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Thread: Bh revamp

Rib5
Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:22 am
#27

How about no? A jedis life is supposed to be really hard, thats what you chose. The path is not hard to make you uber but its just hard because thats the defenition of jedi at this time. You dont like it? drop jedi, thats the whole point, not everyone is cut out for it.
Scoooter
Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:22 am
#28






RebMBH wrote:

I have seen at least 50 jedi on the rryatt trail afk grinding.






Well if you see them exit the trail, gab their mission, come back and kill them. Teach them it will not help them.


90% of the jedi out there did not afk grind.


The spawns on Kashyyk are limited so it is easy to stop.


Any Jedi that goes AFK in a place that is not secure gets whet they deserve








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Rib5
Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:31 am
#29

You guys are supposed to work really frikkin hard for a little bit more power. Its not linear like a lot of people seem to think. Oh I worked on my char 3 times as long I should be 3 times as powerful. I guess that is throwing people off. They are comming up to it like a normal profession and not excpecting it to be ANY more difficult.
Cada_Kai
Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:36 am
#30






Rib5 wrote:

You guys are supposed to work really frikkin hard for a little bit more power. Its not linear like a lot of people seem to think. Oh I worked on my char 3 times as long I should be 3 times as powerful. I guess that is throwing people off. They are comming up to it like a normal profession and not excpecting it to be ANY more difficult.






noone is asking for that they just want the 1.5x at knight that has been stated over, and over by the devs.


if you want to get technical


1/5 of the xp per kill per cl.


3x the amount per box.


This would be 8 times more powerful if we went of of length of grind.






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Rib5
Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:36 am
#31

Also heres another important aspect to this whole debate. For some people these hardships will not outweigh the benefits. This does NOT mean that it is unbalanced, simply you were not suited to the jedi class, you have to be willing to make sacrifices for this power.
Cada_Kai
Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:41 am
#32






Rib5 wrote:

Also heres another important aspect to this whole debate. For some people these hardships will not outweigh the benefits. This does NOT mean that it is unbalanced, simply you were not suited to the jedi class, you have to be willing to make sacrifices for this power.






correct, but at this time, and even more so post pub19 Jedi padawans that are at the knight level (will be once the frs is back) are not 1.5x as powerful.


The changes coming will bring down this to a nearly even level. Hence why alot of Jedi are upset. There is not alot of reward left while the risks are still great.






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Cada_Kai
Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:42 am
#33

btw its nice to actually debate someone without some idiot throwing in a "cry more noob" post into the mix.,



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Checito
Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:43 am
#34

Just for clarifacation i know several jedi who spend 3 or less months in the village....
rebelstari
Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:43 am
#35






Jakra wrote:




RebMBH wrote:

Because We didn't grind ours out AFK






Neither did we, probably 2% of the jedi population even TRIED to grind out AFK, what about us pre-pub 9's with saber tef? what about pre-cu? Your Vision is blinded by what you see others saying.


Edited for Spelling.

Message Edited by Jakra on 06-27-2005 12:27 PM



dont you remember all the afk grinders at geo labs? with the bugged spawn..



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Jedi_Xan
Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:46 am
#36

blah blah blah.... BH's get your arses out there and make an example of those full templates. If we put the pressure on the knights, then the paddy's will follow suit.



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Cada_Kai
Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:50 am
#37






Checito wrote:
Just for clarifacation i know several jedi who spend 3 or less months in the village....





there is no way


Noone has free unlocks anymore.


Must complete 6 phases.


3 weeks between phases


18 weeks total


if you have the xp banked then you can unlock as soon as you do the last quest at week 16.


16/4= 4 months minimum. if everything else has lined up right.


this is not the rule either it is the exception.





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Grozurr
Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:33 am
#38






kdwarp wrote:

Many BH complain about how High Lvl Jedi are so strong..


Jedi greind for a year to be what they are.


I propose a similar track for all BH's....Make them Grind 6months to a year as all Jedi do. And be hunted on Terms. When they reach MBH, they receive a suit of Mandolorian Armour, a ship, and weapons that they can only make that help them hunt Jedi.


So stop nerfing Jedi.



Why should a profession that takes 3 days or less to master be as strong as a prof that takes a Year.



Do this now, and end all the crying these BH's are constanty doing






just from what i've heard many many times, it sounds like you just either got killed by a BH, or got into an argument/fight about why/why not BH's or Jedi should be "on par" with other professions. but onto what i was going to say in the first place:


I've seen post after post about why BH's should be just as powerful as jedi, why they shouldn't, why Jedi should be the "end game" profession (or why not), why jedi should be more powerful than any other(or why not), etc....But throughout it all the one thing i've realized is that no matter what side of the argument you're on, 99% of people who get involved in such an argument seem to believe that all that matters is how "powerful" your profession is, and ultimately how long it took you to get there. What i've been asking myself is "why?" Why do people feel that the power of the character matters, not something else? there seems to be an obsession with having a character that can be more powerful than someone else's. Not that i'm saying the ability to "win" doesn't make most people feel good, but it seems that no matter who it is arguing the basis comes down to being able to "win:" The jedi want to be more powerful than the other characters, the rationale being that they worked hard to get there. The BH's want to be able to have a chance at killing the jedi, the rationale being that the jedi are either a)getting out of control b)ruining the RP aspect of the game or c) just plain too powerful:noone deserves an "i win" button. When it comes down to it though, the jedi just want to be able to beat other players and the BH's just want to be able to beat the jedi, and thus we find a struggle between the two that just creates conflict after conflict.


As to my own opinions, i can't help but wonder why the character you "unlocked" as a jedior the new skills you have available to you should be the reason to get that other character? In many games, an unlockable character means something special: anywhere from a new skin on your character so you look different, to a character that levels in a different way, or forces you to choose a new playstyle. In a largenumber of cases even the new character is in fact a "challenge" for those players who have mastered the other aspects of the game, acting to give them a new, more challenging aspect. Why should SWG be any different? When i look at people unlocking jedi, I dont' always see "they're getting a more powerful character" but rather that they're getting another character to play with as is the case in swg, or "they're getting a more dynamic character." In my mind at least, "dynamic" does not neccisarily mean "powerful."


As i look at what some people have done with their templates, i see more often than not that the people who mix and match their templates to give them a truly new template are the ones who are both more interesting as a person and have more fun with the game than the ones that just pick up the FOTM combo. Why? Because they've found a new playstyle that few others have: maybe they're the exception because their method doesn't just focus on being the "big damage dealer" or the "supreme tank." Maybe they can't do either but their true strength shows when in a group. Or maybe because of their combination of skills they wont' be the ones' hitting you the hardest, but will annoy you the most because they'll apply states, keep you rooted, and no matter what you do--though they won't kill you--always manage to get away.



Just my two cents to think over...



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Etyrnal
Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:37 am
#39

To RebMBH, If you saw 50 AFK Jedi on the trails then why did you not kill 50 Jedi you could have been a lot wealthier today. The truth is you may have seen 50 jedi on the trails, I sure did this weekend because of 2xp (I was one of them) but they were not AFK. The groups I was in saw one person go AFK and it was for a brief time, people are to paranoid. I spent a total of 8 hours there at different times this weekend and did not see one BH fight ( I think a few came through scouting but none returned). Considering everyone of those Jedi was on the terms and none full templates (or they would not be there grinding) this is sad.



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