Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: STOP WHINING!
Let me just say that BH is very beatable altho i am not high in the BH tree (1-3-2-2) so i have been killed by lots of classes and i have killed lots of classes as well should BH be made harder to get i think not for any one planing on Master BH you will need to get all the Investagation and let just say running from town to town and going to the middle of nowhere to learn that you only get 30-100 BH points is not my cup of tea and is harder then any pistoleers Combat Exp should BH be better then Pistoleer? i would have to say No but should BH be able to drop a pistoleer with going into battle perpared i say yes the point i'm trying to make is that no class should be better then the other but instead have is edges and flaws its up to you on how you choose to use them that will determin if you win the fight or not.
Just my 2 cents.
A Master pistoleer can easily pick up and master a second class like TKA or creature handler the combination of 2 elite porfesion classes if they get to the master level should be the equal of any master hybrid class. So don't give me crap about skill points or pistoleer being able to beat bh. A Master pistoller should be able to take down a bh using the right skills and tricks since they should have skill points invested elsewhere. A BH with a pistol should not beat a master pistoleer if that's all they are using that is hands down lame. Once pistol speed mods and dodge is fixed I think we will be on a much more even playing field. Realisticaly with all the dodge bonuses a master pistoleer/master tka should really be a pvp god that dodges all the **edit** time.
Actually it was stated that BH was the most powerful combat class outside of JEDI.
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Who stated that please ?
My god are there some stupid arguments.. Problem is BH is near to being fixed or what the developers have in mind for it and Pistoleer is not even close.. Read the descriptions of our specials on our tree they dont do what they say they do and the developers proposed answer to this? change the names so they fit what they do now? lol now that my friend is a nerf. Lets hope that does not happen. Nerf BH? Um no I just wont PvP until things are fixed, and PvP is sony's meat in this game. Another problem people are complaining about is the weapons balance.. Lets see I may be off on this one but im basing this on the server I play on, Pistoleers max firepower ratio is probably a fwg5 unsliced at around 65-200 2.0 speed (granted thats high even to me as an unsliced weapon) and sliced thats about 75-265 2.0 (or if speed is sliced whatever) and with a power-up (lol, that you have to keep adding every 30 shots..) thats 90-335 2.0 speed.. now with a fanshot I can get near 2200 in PvE and PvP with 75% reduction probably 50-120. And with that being for anyone in PvP its a no brainer that their lowest migration stat is their mind. So I think and quote me if Im wrong (again im basing this upon the BH that I know and their weapon shots) the LLC is somewhere between 778-2000 (not sure about speed) Im not even going to worry about sliced and power-ups.. no need. Now people have mentioned dual pistols for pistoleers and the developers stated that this was a good idea and they would like to make this happen.. if so than a dual pistol and 90-335 2.0 then NO pistoleer could complain about weapon unbalance.. since our speed modifiers.. We are the run & gun class hense the dodge modifiers and the modifiers for running while moving.. We are suppose to be very hard to hit (not working) Someone said stopping shot was cool? Ok who uses stopping shot? I dont.. its pretty much useless It says its suppose to stop the enemy from charging or flat out right kill them in one shot (lol) Stopping shot should say it will stop the gun from firing after one shot or flat out right get you killed..
and the points issue.. BH has more points to spend? You had best go look at what you spent those points on.. Non combat skills tracking and scouting, investigation.. Hm if I remember correctly all of pistoleer is combat? yes no?. Ok so that is a stupid argument.. Ok on to the next one. BH should be better than a pistoleer with a pistol. Um ya ok, whatever.. So if you guys had, um I dont know lets say a skill tree dedicated to medic then your argument is you should be able to heal better than a doctor, or lets see maybe a skill tree for chef then you guys should be better and making food or sorry (what ever the heck a chef does anyway) or maybe a weapons crafting skill tree, man then you guys could make weapons better than a master weaponsmith. you guys could just make LLC that fire 3k-3k at 1,1 speed.. And you know the funny thing? (NOT all BH's im sorry for you other guys, but its the ones that make the stupid posts that im talking about ) then you guys could rant and rave and make arguments as to why you should be able to be better than those Master classes.. My friend thats what they call justification or flat out denial.. of fear that you will be nerfed.. I dont want you nerfed I want us fixed.. and if we are fixed and a BH pulls out LLC and is out of my range and I have my pistol I expect to run or die, period. But if that same BH pulls out his pistol and I pull out mine then I expect him to run or die.. You cant argue with that, and if you do then you are in denial and are sad..
'Um no I just wont PvP until things are fixed, and PvP is sony's meat in this game.‘
What happens if things are fixed and BH still retains an advantage in PVP with their pistol? What will you do then ( Not just Dangiao, but pistoleers in general)? Will you adapt your play style, augment your profession template, quit the game? I have a feeling that their will be more complaints. There will be complaints until many pistoleers ‘win’ in PVP the majority of the time. And not just pistoleers (though we seem to find our most vocal here) - other ‘combat’ professions (just look at most boards). Count on it.
‘…that’s 90-335 2.0 speed.. now with a fanshot I can get near 2200 in PvE and PvP with 75% reduction probably 50-120.’
Your hitting for 2200 with fan shot at 2.0 speed? Maybe I'm missunderstanding what your saying here - if so I apologizes. If not - Wow. You should then be hitting for around 550 pts damage in PVP. I think folks would struggle toheal fast enough with stims to keep up with that kind of damage, considering the speed of the pistol. That seems very powerful indeed.
‘And with that being for anyone in PvP its a no brainer that their lowest migration stat is their mind.’
No. Many people that I know who PVP regularly intentionaly raise their mind for defensive perposes. I would suggest that others do the same.
‘ So I think and quote me if Im wrong (again im basing this upon the BH that I know and their weapon shots) the LLC is somewhere between 778-2000 (not sure about speed) Im not even going to worry about sliced and power-ups.. ‘
I am wondering what this has to do with pistoleers and pistols?
‘if so than a dual pistol and 90-335 2.0 then NO pistoleer could complain about weapon unbalance..’
If I could dual wield pistols at my current damage (which doesn’t touch your 2200 per fan shot) essentially doubling it, I would (without eyeshot) absolutely own PVP. Sure there wouldn’t be any complaints from pistoleers, but you hear it from everybody else. I like the idea, but it would have to have a set of very specialized rules.
‘Someone said stopping shot was cool? Ok who uses stopping shot? I dont.. Its pretty much usless It says its suppose to stop the enemy from charging or flat out right kill them in one shot (lol)’
I do. It actually out damages fan shot if you have enhanced your pistol speed past what pistoleer offers. I must admit that I don’t come close to 2200.
‘and the points issue.. BH has more points to spend? You had best go look at what you spent those points on.. Non combat skills tracking and scouting, investigation.. Hm if I remember correctly all of pistoleer is combat? yes no?. Ok so that is a stupid argument..’
Not stupid at all. You may disagree with it, but it is a valid argument for several reasons. For example, lets look at a sculptor. The greatest sculptors of past and present have exposed themselves to a variety of media, past their personal specialization, in order to grow as an sculptor. Michelangelo considered himself a sculptor, though painted master works (Sistine Chapel ceiling for example). Trapping for instance, has little to no use to most Bhs in game. However, it could be argued that learning how to trap animals could be done in preparation to learn how to track down and capture/kill humanoid prey. Miyamoto Musashi did not just study about/practice with swords only - as a matter of fact, as he prefected his craft he fought only with a stick. He also wrote "study the Ways of all professions". He did just that.
In addition, I guarantee you that the majority of the reason that a BH has to master scout and marksmen is to ‘weed out’ those who like the idea of being a powerful BH, yet do not want to put in the time (or as a reward for the people who do) - to be frank, like some of the pistoleers that complain here by comparing their profession to that of the BH (Or others on other boards). It is sort of like paying your dues.
‘Ok on to the next one. BH should be better than a pistoleer with a pistol. Um ya ok, whatever.. So if you guys had, um I dont know lets say a skill tree dedicated to medic then your argument is you should be able to heal better than a doctor…’
This is a pretty silly argument. I haven’t seen it used but I’m sure someone has tried to make a case for it. However, one could say that the pistoleer is the master of the pistol, and the bounty hunter is the master of PVP.
‘ My friend thats what they call justification or flat out denial.. of fear that you will be nerfed.. I dont want you nerfed I want us fixed..’
I want the current pistoleer skills to working properly myself. I don’t see how that has much to do with BH, other than the very sound argument that to truly master the pistol, one could take BH pistol 4 in addition to master pistoleer, or perhaps smuggler pistol line.
‘and if we are fixed and a BH pulls out LLC and is out of my range and I have my pistol I expect to run or die, period. But if that same BH pulls out his pistol and I pull out mine then I expect him to run or die.. You cant argue with that, and if you do then you are in denial and are sad..’
Well, yes and no. Let me put it this way, if a pistoleer pulls out his pistol and engages me (as mine is also drawn) then he/she will most likely die - all things being equal. Now if that pistoleer has some other skill, maybe smuggler, combat medic, BH, CH, etc. who knows how it would turn out. If not, expect to be gunned down as you have not prepared yourself as much as others have.
On another note;
A Bounty Hunter who ONLY uses a pistol is justwrong. (Unlessthey only has Pistol skills, mind you-)
Bounty Hunters -The current class is just FINE. The Investigation line is the HARDEST skill to climb, but there is a pot of gold at the end, believe you - me. Eye-shot is, in my opinion, too easy to obtain. It should be either tier 3, or Master. Torso shot still holding tier 4.
Pistoleers - The class is almsot completley broken, yes, this is confirmed. But if a Bounty Hunter (Let's say Master Bounty Hunter?) engages in a fight with a Master Pistoleer - the gunfighter SHOULD BE OWNED! SIMPLE! (This is assuming the BH, once again, is using the infamous Scatter Pistol.) The Pistoleer tree, I think, was not desinged to be an 'uber' class as you pistoleers vision it to be. It is merely a 'side-profession' if-you-will, the purpose of the skill tree is to compliment the Combat Medic, Smuggler, etc.Hell, why do you think the profession is so popular right now? ARTISANS USE IT! Yep,that's right. I see Weaponsmiths and Architects running around with FWG5's all the time, and you have too.
Don't accuse me of 'trolling' or 'dabbling' or whatever, I have two seperate profiles, and know very well the details in both worlds. Combat experience is, granted, difficult to obtain. However; Investigation is 100x harder. And yes, you have several thousand combat experience to earn before Master, but guess what the pistoleers get through that skill tree? Pistol Melee Defense. That's right. You don't know what it is like being hit with that on the wrong side of the pistol butt - trust me. And the Bounty Hunter also has alot of weaknesses as well... name a Bounty Hunter who uses Knockdown or Eyeshot while in a Composit Suit? If you ask me, that's like shooting yourself in the foot. Two of the skill trees in the bounty Hunter tree are useless. Carbine has been nerfed into oblivian and Investigation offers nothing but opertunities to tear your hair out, and waste thousands of credits. And... granted... Pistoleers have some broken trees. Disarming Shot 2, Body Shot 3, etc.
So in closing, pistoleers, whining and calling "NERF EYESHOT!" are NOT GOING TO GET YOU ANYWHERE. Start worrying about fixing the pistoleer class, and not ruining others. And besides; even if you were a Master Gunfighter, you'd hardly feel the ill effects of the bbroken skills, and you have enough skill points to Master Creature Handler, Combat Medic, Smuggler, and perhaps even dabble in Bounty Hunter or Commando.
Bounty Hunters? Shut up, you are going to get us nerfed to a pulp. Lord knows Underhand and Fire Knockdown are next-to uselss. 30 second timer? Most. Player-Versus-Player battles don't even last 30 seconds. I apologize if I sound biased, I am not, I am looking to see my pistoleer tree fixed.
I go to the carbineer forums and rifleman forums, i see a few nerf post.
But mainly its people asking questions and getting good answers and asking for solutions to fixing their class.
I go to pistoleer and i see about 8/10 of the page filled with nerf or whine post.
some of you pistoleers (not all) need to get your act together.
Wait till they fix all 3 main combat classes.
Then if they arent so great then, go back to your flaming, whining, etc.
the most important part of our crap DOESNT work
half of our missions are unattackable
a novice entertainer begging for tips makes more money. and before you whine about pikeman or carbiner, try master the investigation tree.
Keanu-Reaves wrote:
Alla you BHs need to quit your whining and go checkout the pikeman or carbineer forums. AT LEAST YOUR CRAP WORKS!!!
Dont compare us to professions that have nothing to do with us. We never have said we are the worst off, so go troll somewhere else. Idiot.