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Thread: Non-Bounty Hunter kill issues?
DoctorFett wrote:
But.......................You can not coverse with any npc or access any terminals while in combat, while this special TEF is up so in this case you wouldnt be able to talk to the NPCs that allow you to access these areas or use the terminals that allow you to access these areas. If there is flaw in that please tell me
Message Edited by DoctorFett on 10-18-2005 01:58 PM
Very true. You CANNOT converse with NPCs while in combat. However, just pulling a Jedi's mission does not initiate the Bounty Hunter TEF. The TEF is applied when the Hunter attacks the Jedi.
So very conceivably, we could go to the vette/myyydril cave and enter. THEN I can attack the Jedi, initiate the TEF which lasts 2.5 min, and run straight through to the end destination. Along the way, if the TEF wears off, I can simply re-attack to initiate it again. Once we arrive, we could stand there, not aggro'd since everything would have ignored us along the way and wait for the TEF to wear off. Then very quickly loot or speak to the npc or access the terminal (whichever the intent was) and I could even re-attack to make us invinvcible again once the looting/speaking/accessing is completed.
We've come up with2 alternatives and declined both ideas on a logistical standpoint for SOE and a very real exploit possibilty for another. However both were EXCELLENT ideas. I'm sure there is a solution, that we just aren't thinking of at the moment. There always is one.
No what I mean is that it completely negate the ability to do anything use terms including the doors at kash and talk to any npc. So in other words the planet the jedi is on he/she stays on. no going into special dungeons or no.................................................... darn it I srewed up again, okay let me think.......................................................................................................................................................................hmmmmm the idea is right in front of me in my very sight but its like on of those magic pictures that if u stare at it long enough u see something.
DoctorFett wrote:
No what I mean is that it completely negate the ability to do anything use terms including the doors at kash and talk to any npc. So in other words the planet the jedi is on he/she stays on. no going into special dungeons or no.................................................... darn it I srewed up again, okay let me think.......................................................................................................................................................................hmmmmm the idea is right in front of me in my very sight but its like on of those magic pictures that if u stare at it long enough u see something.
I think I see where you are going with that. You're speaking more to the BH TEF becomes active when I pull the mission from the terminal. Not from the point of attack. That would open the door to player greifing. Say I don't like you, I pull your mission purposely, but never attack you, thus stranding you on whatever planet you are on, and outside "in the wild" unable to pull a mission, speak to an npc, enter a duel, etc. That could never happen. Because I could leave you "in" that state for up to 3 days. It also negates the first strike opportunity and element of surpirse.
While any Jedi is TEF'd neither he, nor the BH can manipulate anything. They cannot enter houses, go to space (except through the use of a friend:exploit) If you wait the 2.5 minutes, however you can do those things, as the TEF wears off. This was put into place so that Jedi who can "outsmart" a Bounty Hunter and get away, can have a modicum of safety once they leave the area. Then can go to space, enter a house, or simply shuttle someplace else and/or run quests/go back to grinding, etc.
thats hao it should be! think off this in the real world what happens to you if you are caught harboring criminals? You get the same punishment or a greater punishment if u assisted the criminals in any way. that would be awesome to do that.
bmill wrote:
DoctorFett wrote:
heres my idea. Get rid of XP loss totally. BUT. If the jedi intetionally kills himself i.e the example above thats when the jedi will lose double the xp. This will encourage the jedi to run, which will make the hunt so much more enjoyable. But the TEF will on the jedi will negate the ability for both BH and Jedi to enter any private structure. But since the TEF will be put on the jedi it will automatically update u on the jedi location that way so BHs dont have to continue to use arakyd probe droids. This will mean Space battles if the jedi decides to stay in space.
This already is in place.
This would further add to the uselessness of the Droid Engineer profession. I mean that as no affront to them, but outside of medical and combat droids (which can be healed and fixed) a player has no need for multiple droids with any regularity. Only Bounty Hunters keep credits rolling into the Droid Engineer's accounts. I doubt it would de-stabalize the economy, but this is at the expensive of an already decidedely poor profession.
How I long to be able to hunt a Jedi into space. Currently seekers DO update position in space. This brings up more issues, like what happens when a Jedi enters space on another players ship? I say the ship should be targetable as "punishment" for harboring a fugitive, but is that really fair to another player (outisde the BH vs Jedi confrontation) Some say no, some say yes.... much debate on that one. What happnes when a Jedi enters space on a Yacht which is normally "unattackable"? Should that yacht be flagged as a target? This one went on for weeks on a different forum....
DoctorFett wrote:
thats hao it should be! think off this in the real world what happens to you if you are caught harboring criminals? You get the same punishment or a greater punishment if u assisted the criminals in any way. that would be awesome to do that.
Acutally... criminal justice is my major.
Accomplices to the crime in the United States are charged with the crimes and penalties as the "actor" of the crime. As they help before or during the commission.
Accessories to the crime help after the crime was committed.
If you are caught harboring a fugitive, you are charged with simply that: Harboring a fugitive. That is an "accessory" classification. While it's bad, it's not AS BAD as committing the crime.
You murder somoene... you run to your friend's house. "dude, I gotta chill here for awhile, until things cool off, I can't talk about it right now" The cops see your car on the street and have probable cause to enter and serach when your friend answers the door and says you are there. They arrestyour friend for murder and felony evasion and they arrest you for either accesory to murder or harboring a fugitive.
Your friend gets convicted and goes away for 15 year to life depending on the mitigating and aggravating circumstances of the murder, while you may get dismissed since you truly did nothing, or if you KNEW about it and still did nothing, you'd likely get 6mo to a year, or possibley 1-3 years, but the latter is rare, and is usually for when you destroy evidence, lie for your friend's aliby, etc.
Message Edited by bmill on 10-18-2005 05:30 PM
DoctorFett wrote:
Okay here lets say that with this new "btef allows" you to only hold a jedi mission for one day. But in return we get to see the jedis name on the terminal again. please point out any flaws u see I want to find a solution.
BTEF is flawed for the reasons previously posted. One day is an acceptable time limit since we only have online Jedi to content with.
Seeing the names on the terminal cause issues with griefing and "BH ganking" where 3-5 BH's would get the same mission relatively easily and attack and kill the same Jedi, possibly from an opposing guild, repeatedly.
Though I would like to know the Jedi's name from a range closer than 1000m on a planet. If I land in bestine, and the Jedi is 10k away, safe bet they are at the Krayt Graveyard without even checking the map, but I'd like to be able to release a seeker then, and get the name.
I want to continue this, feel free to respond, however I am leaving the office for the day, and will not be online again for a few hours.
bmill wrote:
While fighting with Jedi, all of us have probably had one of the following happen:
1. Mob kills the mark
2. Jedi's friend in an active duel kills the Jedi before the hunter does
3. Jedi purposely killsthemself - ie, running into mobs or soon lava.
All 3 of these situations result in the Jedi avoiding a bounty hunter death. My question is this: Should the system change so that ANY death after/while a BH TEF is applied be considered a death at the hands of the bounty hunter?