Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: I am Pretty sure this is an exploit
DivNotDed
Sat Jul 16, 2005 10:03 pm
#27
Dlek_Krego wrote:
Taconius wrote:
I was hunting my mark today on kashyyyk and guess where I found him....the Webweaver Path at the Feral wookiee site....he took off running followed by alot of wookiees, when he was incapped by them, I did not reach him before he got back up and cloaked. I still had him targeted when he warped over 1000m, I figured out he used the /unstick command to send him to the beginning. Can I get some feedback?Message Edited by Taconius on 07-16-2005 12:22 PM
If this is an exploit, I can guarantee more BH'ers use it than Jedi do, and here is why...
BH has mission on Jedi, Jedi is on Kash. Bh goes to Kash, knowing that the Jedi is MOST LIKELY in the Ryatt trial, so he begins his search... instance one, runs down webweaver trail (bringing a trail load of aggros behind him), hits the LOS bug spot to get aggros off of him, and stays there while he safely investigates the group to see if his mark is in it. Nope, ok, try next instance. Does /unstick to go back to the beginning. Hit next instance, and repeat procedure until all instances searched or mark found. I have witnessed this enough times to know the method.
And this makes it ok? Get a clue, anyone can get in trouble for it, start taking the higher ground and stop endorsing, excusing, or otherwise ignoring the issue(exploits) If all the BH quit the game tomorrow, would you. Your statement that player A does it more so it is ok if I do it is asnine.
TrandotionAssassin
Sun Jul 17, 2005 12:51 am
#28
Sirisandir wrote:
DelsteReden wrote:
My mark did this to me yesterday. He used the LOS bug and then when combat broke he used /unstick. I eventually found/murdered him, but it's obviously an exploit. Hopefully it's fixed soon.
Its not an exploit. The unstick feature is working as intended, it is intended to warp you back to either the begining of the Webweaver Trails, or back to the begining of the Ryatt Trails. You people use the word exploit way too much.
yes, it DOES work as intended. but using it to escape a bh is not its purpsose. this is exploiting the /unstick command to go back to start to get away from a bh
Dlek_Krego
Sun Jul 17, 2005 7:22 pm
#29
BamaDan78 wrote:
Dlek_Krego wrote:
Taconius wrote:
I was hunting my mark today on kashyyyk and guess where I found him....the Webweaver Path at the Feral wookiee site....he took off running followed by alot of wookiees, when he was incapped by them, I did not reach him before he got back up and cloaked. I still had him targeted when he warped over 1000m, I figured out he used the /unstick command to send him to the beginning. Can I get some feedback?Message Edited by Taconius on 07-16-2005 12:22 PM
If this is an exploit, I can guarantee more BH'ers use it than Jedi do, and here is why...
BH has mission on Jedi, Jedi is on Kash. Bh goes to Kash, knowing that the Jedi is MOST LIKELY in the Ryatt trial, so he begins his search... instance one, runs down webweaver trail (bringing a trail load of aggros behind him), hits the LOS bug spot to get aggros off of him, and stays there while he safely investigates the group to see if his mark is in it. Nope, ok, try next instance. Does /unstick to go back to the beginning. Hit next instance, and repeat procedure until all instances searched or mark found. I have witnessed this enough times to know the method.
Um...could you show me in your example where the BH was using it to escape combat with a jedi because he/she was too scared to fight?
Didn't think so.
In my first statement above, I gave a full scenerio of how the bug is used by a BH. Regardless of the reasons why such BH it, it doesn't change the matter. Whether it be to avoid combat with a Jedi or to avoid going back thru the aggroing mobs, it's still used. You cannot say "I don't use the bug to avoid fighting a Jedi, just to save time and not have to go all the way back through the red dots" and make it okay for you to use it.
If a man robs a convenience store to feed his starving family because he got laid off at the mill, he still broke the law, and will be busted just the same as a man who roobed the same store to feed his drug habits. If it's wrong, it's wrong regardless of your purposes for doing it.
aekeem
Sun Jul 17, 2005 7:31 pm
#30
zukem wrote:
You can't unstick while moving. If you move one meter, unstick cancels.
we are all well aware of how the unstick command works, thank you for explaining it to us again. try reading the original post carefully, the jedi CLOAKED SO HE DIDN'T HAVE TO MOVE, thus he could do /unstick without having to move to avoid attacks, it seems so simple and yet people like you seem to have so much difficulty understanding plain english it is disturbing.
BamaDan78
Sun Jul 17, 2005 7:33 pm
#31
Dlek_Krego wrote:
In my first statement above, I gave a full scenerio of how the bug is used by a BH. Regardless of the reasons why such BH it, it doesn't change the matter. Whether it be to avoid combat with a Jedi or to avoid going back thru the aggroing mobs, it's still used. You cannot say "I don't use the bug to avoid fighting a Jedi, just to save time and not have to go all the way back through the red dots" and make it okay for you to use it.
If a man robs a convenience store to feed his starving family because he got laid off at the mill, he still broke the law, and will be busted just the same as a man who roobed the same store to feed his drug habits. If it's wrong, it's wrong regardless of your purposes for doing it.
Hehe, gotta love your reasoning skills. I bet you got out of many a spanking when you were a kid.
Personally, I like one of the solutions posted above...if you use unstick, you immediately lose any FD/cloak you had and are attackable by anyone/anything that can attack you.
After all, if you're really stuck, then they wouldn't be able to hit you anyway...
aekeem
Sun Jul 17, 2005 7:36 pm
#32
Cerosis wrote:
If Enganged in combat, Unstick DOES NOT WORK.
you sure about that? cause as of yesterday it worked. i fell down right after the wookiee camp and my icon was still flashing red indicating i was stuck in combat with a feral wookiee which i could not attack and he could not attack me, and my icon continued flashing(still indicating i was in combat) as i was unstuck from that area.
aekeem
Sun Jul 17, 2005 7:39 pm
#33
correct me if i'm wrong but cloak costs force to maintain does it not? he would have had to run past quite a few mobs would he not? he probably didn't have full force when he ran so he might not have been able to make it back to the guide, correct? so yes, if this jedi hadn't exploited /unstick then there would have been a chance that said jedi would have died. also if the jedi could have walked back to the guide cloaked why didn't he do so? why did he have to take advantage of the mechanics of the game?
Cerosis wrote:
if he was cloaked you couldn't get him anyway.
aekeem
Sun Jul 17, 2005 7:41 pm
#34
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BamaDan78 wrote:
Personally, I like one of the solutions posted above...if you use unstick, you immediately lose any FD/cloak you had and are attackable by anyone/anything that can attack you.
After all, if you're really stuck, then they wouldn't be able to hit you anyway...
but this makes too much sense to be implemented, and kashyyyk is being turned into a safe haven in 2 days anyways so why bother
Gorrlynn
Sun Jul 17, 2005 7:43 pm
#35
Hey I have been to the rryatt trail because I had taken one of the quests on Kashyyk. I got too much aggro and used burst run and somehow feel to the very bottom of the map and the only way I was able to get out was to use unstick. So u want to take away the only thing that can get me out of that or any other similar situation?
Ralea Nevin
aekeem
Sun Jul 17, 2005 7:45 pm
#36
Gorrlynn wrote:
Hey I have been to the rryatt trail because I had taken one of the quests on Kashyyk. I got too much aggro and used burst run and somehow feel to the very bottom of the map and the only way I was able to get out was to use unstick. So u want to take away the only thing that can get me out of that or any other similar situation?
Ralea Nevin
no there are several suggestions which do not remove the ability from the game, they only make it so that cheap players can't take advantage of the ability which is granted for just the reason you stated, not the reason that this particular jedi used it.
JediWife
Sun Jul 17, 2005 7:51 pm
#37
Sirisandir wrote:
DelsteReden wrote:
My mark did this to me yesterday. He used the LOS bug and then when combat broke he used /unstick. I eventually found/murdered him, but it's obviously an exploit. Hopefully it's fixed soon.
Its not an exploit. The unstick feature is working as intended, it is intended to warp you back to either the begining of the Webweaver Trails, or back to the begining of the Ryatt Trails. You people use the word exploit way too much.
yes, it DOES work as intended. but using it to escape a bh is not its purpsose. this is exploiting the /unstick command to go back to start to get away from a bh
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Hmmmmm, would this be similar to the BH who uses /unstick to run instances, or falls off the map and magically appears right in the middle of a grinding group of Jedi, or luanches his attack from various blind spots in the LOS, or uses a cloaked guildie to give Jedi names and instance numbers to his BH friends. I think its only an exploit when bounty hunters can't use it to their advantage.
Shender
Sun Jul 17, 2005 7:53 pm
#38
Kyyrtek wrote:
Sirisandir wrote:
DelsteReden wrote:
My mark did this to me yesterday. He used the LOS bug and then when combat broke he used /unstick. I eventually found/murdered him, but it's obviously an exploit. Hopefully it's fixed soon.
Its not an exploit. The unstick feature is working as intended, it is intended to warp you back to either the begining of the Webweaver Trails, or back to the begining of the Ryatt Trails. You people use the word exploit way too much.
I am a big fan of teaching the correct way for 'you people' (bh, jedi, and all players alike) to use the word exploit.
First - it's not a noun, it's a verb. ie: a bug is just a bug, until it is used to give one player an unfair and unintended advantage over another player. At that point the bug is being exploited.
Now that you are not as ignorant as you were before you read this, can you please post a link where someone from SOE has stated that the /unstick cmd is an actual intended game mechanic that should be used to warp a player back to the beginning of the Trail. As far as I can figure(just logically thinking here - what a concept?), if this bug were intended, than why wouldn't they just give us a trail Pearl like the one for the Myydril Caverns? Or why not have a trail guide every 500m throughout the Trail? /unstick is only mentioned in the Holo game help as a means to help players who find themselves stuck in a game glitch where they cannot move. It doesn't say anywhere that it is to be used in place of travelling.
Notice how I never accused anyone of exploiting in my post, and only put out informative data, and clearly marked my opinions as being just that. Please take this lesson back to the Jedi forums and maybe you can help us work towards a brighter forum future!
Ok...
First, do not act like a Grammar/English Nazi if you aren't very good at it. Second, do not use first in your post if you have no intention of ever completing the series. Third, exploit is both a noun and a verb. See here.
aekeem
Sun Jul 17, 2005 8:05 pm
#39
JediWife wrote:
Sirisandir wrote:
DelsteReden wrote:
My mark did this to me yesterday. He used the LOS bug and then when combat broke he used /unstick. I eventually found/murdered him, but it's obviously an exploit. Hopefully it's fixed soon.
Its not an exploit. The unstick feature is working as intended, it is intended to warp you back to either the begining of the Webweaver Trails, or back to the begining of the Ryatt Trails. You people use the word exploit way too much.
yes, it DOES work as intended. but using it to escape a bh is not its purpsose. this is exploiting the /unstick command to go back to start to get away from a bh
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Hmmmmm, would this be similar to the BH who uses /unstick to run instances, or falls off the map and magically appears right in the middle of a grinding group of Jedi, or luanches his attack from various blind spots in the LOS, or uses a cloaked guildie to give Jedi names and instance numbers to his BH friends. I think its only an exploit when bounty hunters can't use it to their advantage.
this thread isn't about changing cloak so i fail to see how using a cloaked guildie to get jedi names and instance numbers could in any possible way be considered an exploit. the others are things that most intelligent people would agree need fixing. so i guess i don't really understand the point of your post, was it to inform us of bugs on kashyyyk that we already knew about? if so thanks, otherwise please explain further.