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Thread: [Confirmed by Dev] Details of Cloak Changes. Fair Compromise?
These are public forums, anyone can go where they want. It wasnt a bad joke, jus poorly timed and executed. I go to both forums b/c i am in fact both a Jedi and BH.
AD_Maj wrote:
daetalus wrote:
Well you are wrong. FR3 is slower than speederbikes, swoops, barc, av21, jetpac, and that 2person one that looks like a yugo. The only thing a jedi could hope to outrun would be those 7 person carriers or the flash speeder.
AD_Maj wrote:
daetalus wrote:
AD_Maj wrote:
Tanilith wrote:
AD_Maj wrote:
Grunzer wrote:
I do have to say that honestly, with the way they are going. It might eventually get to the point that Jedi have to crawl on the ground while waiting 5 minutes for the warmup timer to finish so they can swing their saber 1 time, and then turn around and wait another 10 minutes for the cooldown timer, meanwhile they've been snared, rooted, and KD'd... But not by the BH, instead by their own specials.
Seriously, a fair compromise is removing the ability to heal/med while cloaked. That's totally understandable. But adding a snare too?
Message Edited by Grunzer on 09-16-2005 09:38 PM
Cloakers get snared? Wow lol... That sucks
And btw, to get concussion shot, you need smuggler. That would totally wreck my template. But, if smuggler had a cool force run that made me faster than any vehicle, maybe I would find a way out to get it
wrong again.
fr1 is slower than burst.
fr2 is BARELY faster than burst.
FR3 is CONSIDERABLY SLOWER than swoops, av-21s, speederbikes . . ect ect ect . . .
Guess you are one of the people who just likes to make 5|-|17 up.
Wow thats a pretty big accusation there. You can't " guess " and make such a vindication.
Guess you are one of thejedi that have dyslexia and went to the wrong forums.
He is right about the speeds.
Sounds like you got pwnt on an online forum and feel you have to save face by name calling b/c you were wrong.
Never said he was wrong either, did I ?
Just saying, FR3 is faster than a vehicle, because of the fact.. nm already explained this in one of my above post.
BTW how am I calling him a name? Care to share where I do call him a name? Im only stating what he said in my own words. =)
You called him a dyslexic jedi for using terminalogy that you obviously could understand and that if he had used the correct words, he wouldnt have been able to post.
No i'm not. If jedi and BH were to race.. FR3 V.S vehicle, the BH would win, yes. HOWEVER in this case, BH v Jedi = Combat. BHs cannot call a vehicle while in combat. So if the jedi had FR3 on, and got away from BH, jedi would be at least 300m away and the BH would just be getting out of combat. So now he can call his vehicle AND risk it getting blown up.
Yep. Sarcasm is pretty hard to get off online isn't it. I was just stating, what he said to me, back at him except I edited the words. Hes a dyslexic jedi because hes in the BH forums. Gah never mind. Bad joke I know. /shrug
alias77 wrote:
i think this is the wrong forum, BH vs. cloak is a very very small problem.
this changes are more for the GCW and they are necessarily.
what are you smoking? It's one of the biggest one's both BH and the GCW has with cloaking/griefing Jedi
pepe4158 wrote:
Dautleus ....read more carefully.....I could have swore I said uncloak then EQUIP your stuff n let him have it!
Ya you did, i misread.
That is your problem not the skill. There are ways to make a cloaker de-cloak none of them exploits either. Know your prey a little better and you will fare much better in your fights. The key to cloak is the skill itself. Stop saying it overpowered when its clear you have not learned enough about your prey. Knowledge will set all of you bh'es free, but you find it easier to complain than to go and read/ ask a cloaker how the skill works. Here's a hint, pets, vehicles, npcs, pcs all effect cloak adverserly, figure out how and you will have your answer.
DURho wrote:
Im still new at hunting jedi, very new, but I had a mark for 2 days, that everytime I would get within radar range he would cloak. Well I would leave come back he would cloak again. So fianlly I just walked up to were he was and said "Hi". We talked for about 5 minutes while he was cloaked, in my opinion him talking should break cloak. To me cloak is way over powered, what Jedi in Star wars has ever been able to be invisible? Why not give BH's something to jam radar. Something were we can actually sneak up on a Jedi? They can still see us if in visual range just block us from being seen on radar from 1024M.
AD_Maj wrote:
Oh and also -
- You have to be out of combat to call a vehicle.
- Your vehicle can be easily blown up.
- You have to either waste a space to put it on your tool bar, or take the time to press Ctrl-D AFTER your out of combat.
FR3 = Press the button.
And by the time you get out of combat, the jedi will be pretty far away from you. At least 200 - 300 M.Message Edited by AD_Maj on 09-16-2005 11:26 PM
thats what root is for.
HanzoShinobi wrote:
AD_Maj wrote:
Oh and also -
- You have to be out of combat to call a vehicle.
- Your vehicle can be easily blown up.
- You have to either waste a space to put it on your tool bar, or take the time to press Ctrl-D AFTER your out of combat.
FR3 = Press the button.
And by the time you get out of combat, the jedi will be pretty far away from you. At least 200 - 300 M.
Message Edited by AD_Maj on 09-16-2005 11:26 PM
thats what root is for.
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Opie76 wrote:
Are these changes enough for you guys to make you quit asking for further nerfs?
Here are some rules common to all types of buffs that remove you from sight (including Force Cloak):
1. Taking any offensive action reveals you instantly (currently the only exception is the Rifleman's ability Conceal Shot).
2. Interacting with some objects in the world instantly reveals you (could be switches, terminals, containers, etc)
3. Some commands cannot be executed and require you to reveal yourself before executing the command
4. All of these buffs can be "toggled off" at any time you wish to become view-able by others
5. Some non-combat actions can also reveal you (like healing for instance)
6. You are afflicted with a movement snare when you are stealthy (rooted when just camouflaged)
1) Not a change, exactly how it is now.
2) Not a change, exactly how it is now.
3) Not a change, exactly how it is now.
4) Not a change, exactly how it is now.
5) Necessary change, but not enough.
6) Doesn't affect how cloak is used now at all. If I can't see/target/attack a cloaked opponent, what difference does it make how slow he's going? What this change will affect is how Rifleman's /cover ability is used. Currently, a rifleman must be prone to remain covered, but now he'll also be snared. Using this ability to sneak up on an unsuspecting Jedi will be impractical due to the extreme length of time it will take to snare/crawl from beyond radar range.
If it doesn't include an increase to force drain (tired of Jedi bragging about remaining cloaked in Theed and then expecting a lone BH to drain a Jedi out) or a move to the master power's box, it's really irrelevant.
jokerbacca wrote:
Knowledge will set all of you bh'es free, but you find it easier to complain than to go and read/ ask a cloaker how the skill works. Here's a hint, pets, vehicles, npcs, pcs all effect cloak adverserly, figure out how and you will have your answer.
SamousNemo wrote:
jokerbacca wrote:
Knowledge will set all of you bh'es free, but you find it easier to complain than to go and read/ ask a cloaker how the skill works. Here's a hint, pets, vehicles, npcs, pcs all effect cloak adverserly, figure out how and you will have your answer.
Yes, I've already looked into buying a droid built specifically to follow a Jedi around. I spoke personally with the DE corro and was told it would be impractical as no matter what kind of droid you have, all will be killed instantly (this includes a grouped tank/self healing droid).
Now if you meant we should try draining a Jedi out of force with other objects/people, I've also tried that. The drain rate on cloak is currently too low for this to be practical. I've heard numerous stories of Jedi boasting about remaining in theed or the MOP cloaked for extended periods of time. In my personal experience, all it gets you is a destroyed speeder or incap'd pet, and a Jedi sending you a"LOL NOOB!" /tell seconds after he pulls out of 20m and cloaks again.
My biggest problem with cloak is not the skill itself, but it's placement in the tree. 28 SP for a skill that makes you instantly invulnerable is far too unbalanced. Not only does it provide grinding Jedi with a low investment for safety, but a finished cloaking template also has enough SP for 4 novice boxes, 8 lines, and one Mastery (MLS/Def x44x/E xxx4/H 4xxx for example). Moving the skill to the Master Powers box would give it a grind-intensive cost and also a SP-heavy cost.
I'd have no problem with someone who's grinded 15M Jedi XP and sacrficing 89 SP out of his template for this very useful skill.
sam not gonna comment on this as we disagree to an extent, but one can drop a jedi out of cloak using 3 pulled vehicles, and a pet of some sort. Yes it takes awhile, but there are few bh'es that Im friendly with that call for 'friends' to help with the process. Remember SOE wants everyone to do things together..........
and if the Jedi is stupid enough to stick around well then he deserves to be de-cloaked. Most will run, at that point I'd suggest finding another mission or wait for another time when this jedi is more vulnerable.
Message Edited by jokerbacca on 09-17-2005 07:54 PM
StavosArmus wrote:
I never had a problem with cloak. Actually prefered hunting the cloaked ones. But yesterday I had a cloaker and I waited for him at the startport hopeing he would be dumb enought to head that direction. Sure enought here he comes after quit the wait.Tracking tracking.. Oh what the hell he ran around me, bought a ticket traveled to a starport 10k m away then traveled back ran around me some more then got in his ship and launched into space. All while cloaked. Now if they just made it so you can't use terminals and such while cloaked then id be happy. Actually If im correct then all they need is to fix the exploit.
You can't buy tickets cloaked. I have tried.
DURho wrote:
Im still new at hunting jedi, very new, but I had a mark for 2 days, that everytime I would get within radar range he would cloak. Well I would leave come back he would cloak again. So fianlly I just walked up to were he was and said "Hi". We talked for about 5 minutes while he was cloaked, in my opinion him talking should break cloak. To me cloak is way over powered, what Jedi in Star wars has ever been able to be invisible? Why not give BH's something to jam radar. Something were we can actually sneak up on a Jedi? They can still see us if in visual range just block us from being seen on radar from 1024M.
In the star wars universe what BH ever really won versus a Jedi? Don't gimme that coleman trebor B.S either, we all know he was going for Dooku when he got shot up by Jango.
Message Edited by Qwad on 09-17-2005 06:10 PM
Katalisha wrote:
AD_Maj wrote:
Grunzer wrote:
I do have to say that honestly, with the way they are going. It might eventually get to the point that Jedi have to crawl on the ground while waiting 5 minutes for the warmup timer to finish so they can swing their saber 1 time, and then turn around and wait another 10 minutes for the cooldown timer, meanwhile they've been snared, rooted, and KD'd... But not by the BH, instead by their own specials.
Seriously, a fair compromise is removing the ability to heal/med while cloaked. That's totally understandable. But adding a snare too?
Message Edited by Grunzer on 09-16-2005 09:38 PM
Cloakers get snared? Wow lol... That sucks
And btw, to get concussion shot, you need smuggler. That would totally wreck my template. But, if smuggler had a cool force run that made me faster than any vehicle, maybe I would find a way out to get it
95% of Bounty Hunters now that I see coming after meare MCM/MBH, so the have paralyse, and therefore don't need concussion shot.
And clearly you don't know what you're talking about, because speaking as a Master Enhancer, I can inform you that forcerun3 doesn't even outrun a swoop, let alone 'any vehicle.'
Apparently you can't read or something.