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Thread: I thought Jedi were underpowered?
Cobra01 wrote:
wow you must suck , the last BH that visited me was tough as nails ....i couldnt get him below 70% hp without running out of action ....ofcourse my LS has only had 20 ish mill spend on it so it sucks
some other Bh's i walk over ...like they swoop in jump of there bike let go a few shots and get incapped before my root wore off ...
its safe to asume that the problem isnt in the fact my saber max damage is 592 with a speed of 1.77.... but its more of what type of wood the BH is made of ....also againts one BH i feel like i am made of steel and the next one makes me feel like a wet paper bag ....very wet paper bag ..
i even had one BH tell me i am an exploiter ...all my friends where healing me .... /sigh
I agree with most of your post, but that last statement has me wondering... were your friend healing you during a BH attack? If so, then he was right, there was a bug there. Your friends are not allowed to heal you if a BH is attacking you.
negilum wrote:
do you realize that most jedi have spent well over 30 million on their saber? good pearls and crystals are phenominaly hard to get, it's reasonable that perfect sabers do over 1k damage.
Does that still make it equal that sabers do so much damage? Would you consider it fair that you got ganked by one and now they are posibly 30-40% better? BETTER???!?!?!?! I dont this this change is required or wanted by many of the non jedi people. I was lead to understand that they were making bounty hunter more skilled at killing jedi. Apparently this is not correct, the truth is the exact opposite.
Spookibus wrote:
I had a Jedi consistently hit me for over 780 points per hityesterday. Needless to say, the fight wasn't a long one. I was wearing decent (not great) armor, but the extra protection even if I had had great armor wouldn't have reduced it below 700.
What is this I've been hearing about sabers being gimped and underpowered? One Jedi told me that their damage output would go up 30-40% when elemental damage is fixed. That would be close to 1100 per hit from that particular Jedi.
LOL Spook --- Um Im getting hit for 1100 and more in PvP... if you need to test this and see it let me know in game man..
I am not doing NEAR that damage with a killer saber /flawless pearls and all... Let me know.. I think you may be suprised.
I have no probs showing you this one..lol
Message Edited by iskareot on 06-29-2005 11:10 AM
TheMadCoder wrote:
MasterSad wrote:
Okiv wrote:
Hes not moaning, he didn't say anything about wanting it nerfed. If anything the translation is:
"WTH is all this whining about? Sabers aren't gimped at all."
It's not about sabers self but pearls. And not everyone has all damage-capped pearls/crystals in his saber.
Now wait just a minute here. 4 posts ago you were talking about BHs not being prepared for PvP to take down a Jedi. NOW you're saying that not every Jedi isn't 100% prepared, too? Make up your mind here. If you're not ready for PvP, you deserve to die, too. Spend you're 30 million for a good sabre and move along.
Give me 30 Million and perhaps I can!
Jargal wrote:
Jedi are not underpowered, even if they themselves claim that, in order to get even more powers.
In publ. 19 they will get Force armor too. It will be better then the best ubese armor you can get. The armor rating will cap at 10000!
So, don't think that jedi hunting will become easier. Or you'll die surprised.
The whole publ. 19 is an SOE trick to get us old BHs to stay with them for a few months more while they keep ripping us off.
I'd say SWG isn't worth thecash anylonger...
*SIGH*
another misinformed Hunter.
Not every Jedi has the FA line in enhancer. Not every Jedi has Defender skills.
Just like not every Bounty Hunter has 4000 doc.
If you can take the heat, perhaps the hunt is not worth it for you.
Oh - Pax - I remember reading that cyber parts offer no mitigation to damage if hit. That's one of the drawbacks of wearing them. Perhaps that is why you were hit that much. (saber body hit will target arms mostly)
TheMadCoder wrote:
MasterARP wrote:
if he is able to hit you for 1100 every second then yes its overpowered but a hit such as this every 10 seconds (factoring in misses and other damage ranges and cooldowns) it is a reasonable hit. It sounds like a lot--but consider what rifleman hit for? i have seen some 1200ish hits from other bh/riflemen that are in my hit squad. I am bh/cm and cant dish the damage but i can tank--and rely on a partner to dish some damage when we go up against knights. I think its fair that knight is hitting us for 1100 every so often just like his rifle does
But a BH/Rifleman isn't going to heal 100% of that damage with one macro...
Yea and how Many Skill Points did they spend if they got complete Heal? You do know that Complete heal is a Master Healer skill, Unless you are talking about the 1500 heal, but then again its going to be every 6 seconds.
KOLBROOKIE wrote:
ok this is my little thing
i have 6000 energy res armour i have 250 melee def i have 310 ranged def,
i have 1200 max dam 320 dps 73 sac weapon,
i have 340 accuracy 155 speed and im a carbiner
i miss more than i hit ??? jedi never misses but hits me for 1000 dam ?
he has a ranged kd saber throw hit me twice and im dead also he kills my friends as well ,
all the jedi does is heal heal heal,
and this is before the new patch so this jedi will hit for 1300 now in the new patch, and they say the are underpowered lol
and im a old mbh pre patch 9 with 200 kills all over 150k
and jedi whine oh we are underpowered ,he was a 225k jedi
all jedi are full of poo they just lie lie lie lie
Message Edited by KOLBROOKIE on 06-29-200503:11 PM
It's very unfortunate to see players who've been able to spam their way through the last two years just to wake up one day and realize that they are now forced to decisively choose their method of operations. Personally I would think it would ruin my game if all I ever did was /macroThis /macroThat then /addNameOfMarkToBio.
It must be hard relearning a game that played it self pre-cu.
Moral of the story, tactics.
This Jedi sounds like the exception not the Norm. Not all Jedi have Sabers this powerful (myself included). Unlike other professions we cannot go to the friendly neighborhood Weapons dealer and buy high end weapons for a few thousand creds. They need to be made with high end components, then you need to LOOT additional components (pearls/crystals) that are no longer dropping (except on DJK/DJM's reportedly). He probably had perfect to near perfect tunes on his pearls as well. Imagine the work it took to get the Components, then tune them and get aresult that is near perfect.Basicaly you have to find the mob,Loot the item that does not drop 100% of the time and comes in various degrees of quality (poor,fair, good, Pristine,Flawless). Now you have to Tune thiscomponent and hope the random result is as close to perfect as possible. Not all Jedi are able to do this. But every other profession can purchase top end weapons simply by using the bazaar.
You took on a 225k Bounty, and got Beat down. You have some choices. Take the mission again, and see what happens. If you lose again, accept that THIS player is better than you and avoid them like the plague. The only thing lost here is you pride and the timespent tracking them. Or Admit defeat now, and avoid them like the plague.
Either way just sounds like a case of someone Biting off a little more than they can chew. As this Jedi is the exception, so are those BH's than can take on a 225k bounty and win.
_Crash_ wrote:
His point is that jedi complain about being gimped for damage but they arent. I have been hit for 900 damage every couple seconds by a master saber. Then people say a rifle can hit for 1500+ yes that is true only for sniper shot. To do a sniper shot you have to be prone and wait for a fairly lengthy warmup timer. You wont be spamming it every 2 seconds like the jedi could. Also it costs significantly less action for the jedi to dish out that damage. Am I calling for a nerf? no I am not. I am simply stating that Jedi are not gimped in the damage department like they claim.
I am sure this is the intentions of the original poster. He is not complaining about the damage a jedi can do, he is simply stating that Jedi are no gimped in the damage area.
The issue is that most jedi put the majority of thei points into defender, healer or enhancer instead of mastering powers or sabers and tweaking out their PVP saber. Then THESE jedi cry that they are gimped on damage dealing. It would be like if someone became a TKM/Doc and cried about not being able to do damage. They have enhancements, healing and defneses but they did not put any points into a damage dealing profession and so they will not do damage.
Powers was gimped becuase many of their best moves did not work vs armor. That has been fixed so we will see how master powers stacks up in PVP vs bh's now.
No jedi are not gimped offensively, they just are NOT the uber gods they want to be and as long as theythis holds tuethey will cry that they are gimped.
Message Edited by _Crash_ on 06-29-2005 07:04 AM
You are correct. I've witnessed the same with 8100 energy armor and 265 melee defense a jedi hit me for 500 damage every 2 seconds for almost 30 seconds (after that I was dead)...this is pre elemental damage btw. That same jedi hit an unarmored level 80 opponent for over 1000 a hit. I estimate that it will be about 200 points higher with elemental damage.
and jedi have the nerve to cry about a healing nerf
Message Edited by Kakabus on 06-29-2005 12:52 PM
You people will never be satisfied.