Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: I thought Jedi were underpowered?
LordCalvin
Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:35 am
#14
Spookibus wrote:
I had a Jedi consistently hit me for over 780 points per hityesterday. Needless to say, the fight wasn't a long one. I was wearing decent (not great) armor, but the extra protection even if I had had great armor wouldn't have reduced it below 700.
What is this I've been hearing about sabers being gimped and underpowered? One Jedi told me that their damage output would go up 30-40% when elemental damage is fixed. That would be close to 1100 per hit from that particular Jedi.
Translation: I suck as a bounty hunter!!! Why won't the devs nerf jedi more so I could actually collect a bounty?
Get better equipment, find a strategy to use a jedi's weakness against them, and quit whining.
TheMadCoder
Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:38 am
#15
MasterARP wrote:
if he is able to hit you for 1100 every second then yes its overpowered but a hit such as this every 10 seconds (factoring in misses and other damage ranges and cooldowns) it is a reasonable hit. It sounds like a lot--but consider what rifleman hit for? i have seen some 1200ish hits from other bh/riflemen that are in my hit squad. I am bh/cm and cant dish the damage but i can tank--and rely on a partner to dish some damage when we go up against knights. I think its fair that knight is hitting us for 1100 every so often just like his rifle does
But a BH/Rifleman isn't going to heal 100% of that damage with one macro...
Okiv
Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:39 am
#16
Hes not moaning, he didn't say anything about wanting it nerfed. If anything the translation is:
"WTH is all this whining about? Sabers aren't gimped at all."
MasterSad
Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:41 am
#17
Okiv wrote:Hes not moaning, he didn't say anything about wanting it nerfed. If anything the translation is:
"WTH is all this whining about? Sabers aren't gimped at all."
It's not about sabers self but pearls. And not everyone has all damage-capped pearls/crystals in his saber.
MasterSad
Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:43 am
#18
TheMadCoder wrote:
MasterSad wrote:
TheMadCoder wrote:
I don't recall him saying he didn't have decent defence. As a stalker, don't you think he'd be ready to rock when he found his mark? 1,100 damage (plus a KD at master?) It's just plain getting silly.Yes, something is indeed wrong.
I don't recall him saying he did. You can also KD a jedi and deal increased damage.
You're right - he was likely out there in his jammies on. Silly me. Any BH *while hunting* is going to be prepared, unless played by a retarted chimp.
He said he had armor he ddn't say what defence did he have, he didnt say he ran a duelist stance (guess not)?
TheMadCoder
Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:43 am
#19
MasterSad wrote:
Okiv wrote:
Hes not moaning, he didn't say anything about wanting it nerfed. If anything the translation is:
"WTH is all this whining about? Sabers aren't gimped at all."
It's not about sabers self but pearls. And not everyone has all damage-capped pearls/crystals in his saber.
Now wait just a minute here. 4 posts ago you were talking about BHs not being prepared for PvP to take down a Jedi. NOW you're saying that not every Jedi isn't 100% prepared, too? Make up your mind here. If you're not ready for PvP, you deserve to die, too. Spend you're 30 million for a good sabre and move along.
MasterSad
Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:44 am
#20
I am saying not every jedi can deal such damage. And yes not every jedi is prepared, that's why BH has his right on the first strike. And I didnt say anything about him being unprepared, I said the damage is about right when he is KDed, has armor break applied and low defence (I mean melee defence).
3 seconds later he will get up (damage will drop about 15% because he is no longer KDed), then 1 hit later damage will drop 50% because the jedi wil run out of action. When he is KD jedi will be abl to do about 2 attacks, with that damage it's about 2k of damage. So yes, it's possible to survive it if you know what and when you're doing.
3 seconds later he will get up (damage will drop about 15% because he is no longer KDed), then 1 hit later damage will drop 50% because the jedi wil run out of action. When he is KD jedi will be abl to do about 2 attacks, with that damage it's about 2k of damage. So yes, it's possible to survive it if you know what and when you're doing.
Message Edited by MasterSad on 06-29-2005 03:51 PM
_Crash_
Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:02 am
#21
His point is that jedi complain about being gimped for damage but they arent. I have been hit for 900 damage every couple seconds by a master saber. Then people say a rifle can hit for 1500+ yes that is true only for sniper shot. To do a sniper shot you have to be prone and wait for a fairly lengthy warmup timer. You wont be spamming it every 2 seconds like the jedi could. Also it costs significantly less action for the jedi to dish out that damage. Am I calling for a nerf? no I am not. I am simply stating that Jedi are not gimped in the damage department like they claim.
I am sure this is the intentions of the original poster. He is not complaining about the damage a jedi can do, he is simply stating that Jedi are no gimped in the damage area.
The issue is that most jedi put the majority of thei points into defender, healer or enhancer instead of mastering powers or sabers and tweaking out their PVP saber. Then THESE jedi cry that they are gimped on damage dealing. It would be like if someone became a TKM/Doc and cried about not being able to do damage. They have enhancements, healing and defneses but they did not put any points into a damage dealing profession and so they will not do damage.
Powers was gimped becuase many of their best moves did not work vs armor. That has been fixed so we will see how master powers stacks up in PVP vs bh's now.
No jedi are not gimped offensively, they just are NOT the uber gods they want to be and as long as theythis holds tuethey will cry that they are gimped.
Message Edited by _Crash_ on 06-29-2005 07:04 AM
KOLBROOKIE
Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:10 am
#22
ok this is my little thing
i have 6000 energy res armour i have 250 melee def i have 310 ranged def,
i have 1200 max dam 320 dps 73 sac weapon,
i have 340 accuracy 155 speed and im a carbiner
i miss more than i hit ??? jedi never misses but hits me for 1000 dam ?
he has a ranged kd saber throw hit me twice and im dead also he kills my friends as well ,
all the jedi does is heal heal heal,
and this is before the new patch so this jedi will hit for 1300 now in the new patch, and they say the are underpowered lol
and im a old mbh pre patch 9 with 200 kills all over 150k
and jedi whine oh we are underpowered ,he was a 225k jedi
all jedi are full of poo they just lie lie lie lie
i have 6000 energy res armour i have 250 melee def i have 310 ranged def,
i have 1200 max dam 320 dps 73 sac weapon,
i have 340 accuracy 155 speed and im a carbiner
i miss more than i hit ??? jedi never misses but hits me for 1000 dam ?
he has a ranged kd saber throw hit me twice and im dead also he kills my friends as well ,
all the jedi does is heal heal heal,
and this is before the new patch so this jedi will hit for 1300 now in the new patch, and they say the are underpowered lol
and im a old mbh pre patch 9 with 200 kills all over 150k
and jedi whine oh we are underpowered ,he was a 225k jedi
all jedi are full of poo they just lie lie lie lie
Message Edited by KOLBROOKIE on 06-29-2005 03:11 PM
Okiv
Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:13 am
#23
lol, nice and constructive. Of course youve been MBH since before the first starwars movie was brought out so its ok 
negilum
Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:25 am
#24
elemental damage is broken(should be fixed today, but it's it was claimed to have been fixed before) so saying that sabers or any other weapon with an elemental damage component aren't gimped is just pain wrong.
all proffs have weapons that do elemental damage but the percentage of elemental damage is greater on lightsaber than any other weapon in the game. most of those proffs also have master level weapons that don't have any elemental damage at all and aren't underpowered.
now whether or not sabers are too weak or too powerful is a different argument but saying that they aren't broken isn't valid.
all proffs have weapons that do elemental damage but the percentage of elemental damage is greater on lightsaber than any other weapon in the game. most of those proffs also have master level weapons that don't have any elemental damage at all and aren't underpowered.
now whether or not sabers are too weak or too powerful is a different argument but saying that they aren't broken isn't valid.
EvilAztec
Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:37 am
#25
Yeah it "added" the heat damage to the combat spam, but it didn't apply it to you.
Wimpanzee wrote:
i got hit (yes, while kd) in the cyber arm for 1549 damage by a 225k mark.
i never did get back up until i saw a cloner.
funny thing is, part of that was heat damage (according to the combat log) and this was several days ago.
Dlek_Krego
Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:41 am
#26
TheMadCoder wrote:
Yes. Something is terribly wrong here....
Spookibus wrote:
I had a Jedi consistently hit me for over 780 points per hit yesterday. Needless to say, the fight wasn't a long one. I was wearing decent (not great) armor, but the extra protection even if I had had great armor wouldn't have reduced it below 700.What is this I've been hearing about sabers being gimped and underpowered? One Jedi told me that their damage output would go up 30-40% when elemental damage is fixed. That would be close to 1100 per hit from that particular Jedi.
Yes, you're right. SOE should just make it to where our max damage regardless of weapon choice is at 1 point, and set our Health bar at 20 points. That way we will all die at the very hint of any type of combat, and you crybabies can brag about how "uber-leet" you are...
/sarchasm off.
Message Edited by Dlek_Krego on 06-29-2005 07:44 AM