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Thread: What has happened to this community?
HeartlessHunter wrote:
Agreed, but this forces senior BH's to hunt noobs that ordinarly dont. Since the curb I only went after marks that were 200+. Today I took 5 mission of which 3 were noobs, 3 shot kills. Even pre-curb me and my guild would only hunt knights and up. That was fun. With this new adjustment it kinda lacks luster for me but like everything else you deal with it and adjust as your profession adjusts.
Corvett wrote:
WoW a Bh that understands this. it is a symbiotic relationship. Bh's asked for Jedi to be nerfed and they were and nerfed hard too, but in this now they will not have names on the terms and is just as difficul;t as before as it should be when you are hunting an actual player who also pays for the game and takes away from wheatever he/she has accomplished. The BH proffession is the ONLY proffession with this luxury. I see all the time "Jedi knew they would be hunted" and yes that is true. I tell all Jedi to suck it up or find another proffession, but just the same, BH's KNEW it isn't easy to be a BH and the Bh's have had it great with being able to hunt Noobs all day with ease. Now that hunting a full template Jedi is not difficult for the BH who knows what they are doing, they have made it more difficult for a Bh to get more than one person on a Jedi as well.
Yes, the jedi assumption that we kill only 'padanoobs' gets old and frustrating really quick when you do the opposite. For me being a bh was as much about the notoriety that comes with killing a skilled player as the hunt itself. Im selfish like that. Aside from jedi/bh being inextricable when it comes to nerfs, the rest of the population being ignored in favor of fixing the jedi issues doesnt help either. Jedi arent to blame for being well taken care of compared to other profs, but its still the reality that the devs have created.
FeistySheister wrote:
HeartlessHunter wrote:
Agreed, but this forces senior BH's to hunt noobs that ordinarly dont. Since the curb I only went after marks that were 200+. Today I took 5 mission of which 3 were noobs, 3 shot kills. Even pre-curb me and my guild would only hunt knights and up. That was fun. With this new adjustment it kinda lacks luster for me but like everything else you deal with it and adjust as your profession adjusts.
Corvett wrote:
WoW a Bh that understands this. it is a symbiotic relationship. Bh's asked for Jedi to be nerfed and they were and nerfed hard too, but in this now they will not have names on the terms and is just as difficul;t as before as it should be when you are hunting an actual player who also pays for the game and takes away from wheatever he/she has accomplished. The BH proffession is the ONLY proffession with this luxury. I see all the time "Jedi knew they would be hunted" and yes that is true. I tell all Jedi to suck it up or find another proffession, but just the same, BH's KNEW it isn't easy to be a BH and the Bh's have had it great with being able to hunt Noobs all day with ease. Now that hunting a full template Jedi is not difficult for the BH who knows what they are doing, they have made it more difficult for a Bh to get more than one person on a Jedi as well.
Yes, the jedi assumption that we kill only 'padanoobs' gets old and frustrating really quick when you do the opposite. For me being a bh was as much about the notoriety that comes with killing a skilled player as the hunt itself. Im selfish like that. Aside from jedi/bh being inextricable when it comes to nerfs, the rest of the population being ignored in favor of fixing the jedi issues doesnt help either.1. Jedi arent to blame for being well taken care of compared to other profs, but its still the reality that the devs have created.
It builds resentment within the entire community, were just the prof thats most affected by what happens to jedi since we hunt them. Sooooo many people would pay bh's to take out jedi just for the chance to have that bh give them a message while standing over their corpse. People who didnt want to be bh's lived vicariously through us when the frustration got to be too much.2. All different profs cheer us on because they see bh as retribution for the devs not handling what they see as bigger issues. maybe some bh's got somewhat of a god complex from that, im sure that has contributed to bh v jedi tension as well.3. Both sides have their big mouthed smack talkers.
I think it breaks down to some of the jedi's sense of entitlement to whatever they want (created by the devs) and the percieved bh bully mentality (egged on by the rest of the community)
SuperStarwolf wrote:
In my opinion, The idea of sending a group of players against the other has been one of the worst ideas ever.
Sometime pre-launch, around when they announced how they were handling PvP (covert, overt etc.) Raph Koster, speaking in the context of experienced game designer, noted that approximetely 10% of the playerbase were expected to prefer the overt, 24/7 PvP, option.
Why? Because, statistically from other games in the genre,about 10% enjoyed full-time PvP. They enjoyed the challenge. They enjoyed it so much, they'd be willing to gobecome attackable by other players.
... no one, and I mean no one, is going to be able to convince me that the current breed of active jedi comes onlyfrom those 10% (partly because I'd believe my much-nerfed scatter would make a good lunch before I'd believe that only 10% of the playerbase has a jedi), despite the fact that they're playing the only profession that since it's conception, has included constant, not casual, PvP.
I think the reason the community has "gotten worse" (I have a naturual aversion to "the good old days" because more often than not, the "good old days" was filled with the same ol' whining, just about a different subject), is because the amount of people in one half of the symbiotic relationship the hunt we're named after entails, is no longer comprised by the people it should. In a less complicated sentence; Jedi was not designed for the bleedin' carebears that now make up a majority of the profession.
And while the jedi is getting those who do not fit into the 10% because they don't want to PvP, we're also picking up plenty of recruits who jumps into the BHvJ without belonging to the "proper" 10%. They're not interested in opening themselves up to attack. They're not interested in actually testing their mettle against another player. They just want to win. The ones the Jedi gotdoesn't want to fight, the ones we've got heredon't want to lose. The sooner these people realize that tey're in the wrongs professions, and in the case of the jedi: Stop putting themselves in positions they can't handle, the better of we'll be. And as much as I hate not knowing who I'm after or of difficult it is (Last kill was a 98K padawan. He dropped in five shots. C'mon, it's not that I mind the credits, but if I'm going to win in five shots, I really prefer it to be because I've done a good job setting up a solid ambush, not because whoever I'm attacking is like a chick about to pushed into the pond), and no matter how much I detest the whole we're-so-badly-gimped-right-now-so-anyone-who-sticks-to-our-profession-is-a-real-man! mentality, we are fairly likely to shed some of our bad eggs. Can't say I see the same coming for our hunted friends though, if anything, there'll be more oh-noes-PvP-gri3f!1.
First I want to say that I'm impressed that both the BH and the Jedi have kept this thread constructive, Its not something you see very often on either board.
The relations between the BH and the Jedi are at an all time low, both sides are fighting for nerfs for the other while complaining about broken abilities in thier own line. I very much want Jedi to be hunted by BH in a fun manner, but with the XP loss it makes it difficult. The Jedi looses XP while the BH looses nothing. But if we remove XP loss then you have every happy padawan running around theed putting on a lightshow. So...I don't know what to do, someone more creative than I needs to think of a solution that would bridge the gap forming between these two classes. Then all we have to do is get the devs to listen 
I would love a game where we spent more time playing then fighting for dev attention. I still believe that putting one class of players against another was one of the biggest mistakes SOE ever made but I believe even stronger that a Jedi who runs around players with his "title" on, waving his flashlight, and screaming, "LOOK HOW L33T I AM"should run into some very serious consequences.
This is my first time troll posting (I'm a Jedi) but I figured if I kept it constructive the BH'ers wouldn't mind.
Corvett wrote:
FeistySheister wrote:
HeartlessHunter wrote:
Agreed, but this forces senior BH's to hunt noobs that ordinarly dont. Since the curb I only went after marks that were 200+. Today I took 5 mission of which 3 were noobs, 3 shot kills. Even pre-curb me and my guild would only hunt knights and up. That was fun. With this new adjustment it kinda lacks luster for me but like everything else you deal with it and adjust as your profession adjusts.
Corvett wrote:
WoW a Bh that understands this. it is a symbiotic relationship. Bh's asked for Jedi to be nerfed and they were and nerfed hard too, but in this now they will not have names on the terms and is just as difficul;t as before as it should be when you are hunting an actual player who also pays for the game and takes away from wheatever he/she has accomplished. The BH proffession is the ONLY proffession with this luxury. I see all the time "Jedi knew they would be hunted" and yes that is true. I tell all Jedi to suck it up or find another proffession, but just the same, BH's KNEW it isn't easy to be a BH and the Bh's have had it great with being able to hunt Noobs all day with ease. Now that hunting a full template Jedi is not difficult for the BH who knows what they are doing, they have made it more difficult for a Bh to get more than one person on a Jedi as well.
Yes, the jedi assumption that we kill only 'padanoobs' gets old and frustrating really quick when you do the opposite. For me being a bh was as much about the notoriety that comes with killing a skilled player as the hunt itself. Im selfish like that. Aside from jedi/bh being inextricable when it comes to nerfs, the rest of the population being ignored in favor of fixing the jedi issues doesnt help either.1. Jedi arent to blame for being well taken care of compared to other profs, but its still the reality that the devs have created.
It builds resentment within the entire community, were just the prof thats most affected by what happens to jedi since we hunt them. Sooooo many people would pay bh's to take out jedi just for the chance to have that bh give them a message while standing over their corpse. People who didnt want to be bh's lived vicariously through us when the frustration got to be too much.2. All different profs cheer us on because they see bh as retribution for the devs not handling what they see as bigger issues. maybe some bh's got somewhat of a god complex from that, im sure that has contributed to bh v jedi tension as well.3. Both sides have their big mouthed smack talkers.
I think it breaks down to some of the jedi's sense of entitlement to whatever they want (created by the devs) and the percieved bh bully mentality (egged on by the rest of the community)
Lets look at these.
1. They were well taken care of in the past cause there weren't as many and their grind was 10 times worse plus they had to deal with people comming to try to take that away from them. Yes they knew this would happen but they were also told they would be powerful in the end as well.
2. All proffessions don't have to deal with people comming to grief them or take away their work either. Not to mention I can't wait for Smugglers to be included in this. I can see the flame wars again. Nerf FD!!!!! Trust me the relationship between these "Other" proffessions wil breakdown once they allow Bh's to do that.
3. This I completely agree with.
Im not defending 1 or 2, thats just my perception and the general climate of the community on my server. As unjustified or misguided as it is, prof rivalry and jealousy exist when dev love isnt spread out evenly. Especially with the ebayers and l337 bastages putting it in your face every 5 seconds. If most people are a non jedi prof should they not expect their 15 a month to go towards making their prof work as intended ? Or do they just swallow it and say you know what, my grind isnt as hard and i dont lose xp. My prof can be as busted as they want it to be so long as jedi get what they want and are content. Not gonna happen! I know jedi arent doing force persuade on the devs and its not on them personally, but the devs arent running around ig to hate on are they? For the most part its in the back of peoples minds until they see someinitiate whining about not being uber and how its unfair 5 min after after killing mellichae that they arent mls with cloak. It grates nerves. Bh's get contacted. Credits are traded, messages are delivered, rivalries created, and hate begins. Ive heard of same faction guilds turning on each other because of the arrogant crude behavior of padawans, its nuts.
CaixCatab wrote:
SuperStarwolf wrote:
In my opinion, The idea of sending a group of players against the other has been one of the worst ideas ever.
Sometime pre-launch, around when they announced how they were handling PvP (covert, overt etc.) Raph Koster, speaking in the context of experienced game designer, noted that approximetely 10% of the playerbase were expected to prefer the overt, 24/7 PvP, option.
Why? Because, statistically from other games in the genre,about 10% enjoyed full-time PvP. They enjoyed the challenge. They enjoyed it so much, they'd be willing to gobecome attackable by other players.
... no one, and I mean no one, is going to be able to convince me that the current breed of active jedi comes onlyfrom those 10% (partly because I'd believe my much-nerfed scatter would make a good lunch before I'd believe that only 10% of the playerbase has a jedi), despite the fact that they're playing the only profession that since it's conception, has included constant, not casual, PvP.
I think the reason the community has "gotten worse" (I have a naturual aversion to "the good old days" because more often than not, the "good old days" was filled with the same ol' whining, just about a different subject), is because the amount of people in one half of the symbiotic relationship the hunt we're named after entails, is no longer comprised by the people it should. In a less complicated sentence; Jedi was not designed for the bleedin' carebears that now make up a majority of the profession.
And while the jedi is getting those who do not fit into the 10% because they don't want to PvP, we're also picking up plenty of recruits who jumps into the BHvJ without belonging to the "proper" 10%. They're not interested in opening themselves up to attack. They're not interested in actually testing their mettle against another player. They just want to win. The ones the Jedi gotdoesn't want to fight, the ones we've got heredon't want to lose. The sooner these people realize that tey're in the wrongs professions, and in the case of the jedi: Stop putting themselves in positions they can't handle, the better of we'll be. And as much as I hate not knowing who I'm after or of difficult it is (Last kill was a 98K padawan. He dropped in five shots. C'mon, it's not that I mind the credits, but if I'm going to win in five shots, I really prefer it to be because I've done a good job setting up a solid ambush, not because whoever I'm attacking is like a chick about to pushed into the pond), and no matter how much I detest the whole we're-so-badly-gimped-right-now-so-anyone-who-sticks-to-our-profession-is-a-real-man! mentality, we are fairly likely to shed some of our bad eggs. Can't say I see the same coming for our hunted friends though, if anything, there'll be more oh-noes-PvP-gri3f!1.
i do not consider BH an alpha class because now ( especially after pub 20 template limitation) dabblers can easily beat them in duels ...but .. as a check to the jedi alpha class they were effective ( prior to publish 20) because they were given the ability to group and have first strike ... so effective in fact that SOE had to nerf the entire proffession beyond just templateability but in the actual content dynamic
post pub 20 we shall see if BH remain as an effective check to the jedi alpha class, but i suspect it will fall short of the effect it had prior, and jedi who will be running rampant now, with unchecked ego's which will prompt other players to go jedi as well .. .. very few enjoy fighting an uphill battle against a superior class ...as the human condition stands people wish to accumilate the most power they can .. and achieve their goals through the path of least resistance .....
with an unabalancethis severe the regular proffessions lose whatever allure or ability to seduce they had left ...most will now see one goal in their horizons and thatwill bejedi ...
pre CU combat stackers as well as bounty hunters helped keep jedi low in numbers because the benefits to jedi werent as extreme ... the other classes were stronger and more attractive than they are now, and BH were given tools to handle their job more effectively
the obvious fix to this problem of overpopulationof alpha class players will be eventually to nerf them untill they arent really an alpha class at all .... jedi dont seem to realize that as they clap and cheer about their profession being made easier .. they are in fact clapping and cheering for the inevitable stride towards making their own class weaker ....
Message Edited by Thassk on 07-21-2005 11:10 AM
SuperStarwolf wrote:In my opinion, The idea of sending a group of players against the other has been one of the worst ideas ever.
QFE!!