Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Request for new Top Issues
LordDraconis wrote:
VegitoSS wrote:
Sundal wrote:
VegitoSS wrote:
Jedi going into faction bases is NOT a top issue. If they are special forces or combatant they have every right to enter a base. If you want to get them either hunt your own faction or kill the npc to get in.
First off if a jedi is special forces he has to fight S.F. players and BH's at the same time. Locking him out of his own faction base is just plain stupid. Why dont the jedi just go prone and let everyone kill him.
This is a problem. Some people roleplay and dont want to hunt thier own faction. And on some server it is widely look down upon to hunt your own faction.
From the game/story point of view you choose a faction and your *supposed* toparticipate in the GCW. It's obviously not working that way, but still, thats the way the game mechanic's supposed to work.
Roleplay or not, its just not right to force someone out of their own faction bases just because you want to hunt them. The GCW is part of this game and just because a BH wants to take a mission doesnt mean a person must give up their faction ability because of it. A jedi running into a faction base while combatant or S.F. is just part of the game. If you dont want to hunt same faction then you can always fight your way into the base GCW style. Dont expect the GCW to hand the jedi over to you on a silver platter just because you want to hunt jedi.
Please remove this from top five issues for BH's. There are many others I listed, similar to what others are saying, that need attention. KD bug is a valid top issue. Going into a faction base is just something that pissed a BH off because he couldnt get his/her mark. Far from being anyones top issue. Also, there is nothing you can do to stop a jedi from entering a house. Strike that out of the top issue too. And for the states... That effects everyone so its not a BH top issue.
Message Edited by VegitoSS on 10-10-2005 11:03 PM
I see so house tef is ok but faction base is off the books? Why should a jedi be able to run into any housing. As for fighting all the npc....what are you dumb or somthing faction bases have a ton of npc in them a lone bh taking on 30 npc just to get to his mark is stupid. Faction bases are housing (don't try to suger coat it saying......oh its part of the GCW...) If you are SF thats your choice....you are still going to be hunted by bh and also you let your self get attacked by any other SF enemy.
Why should abh that doesn't hunt his own factionnot be able to get his mark but if you are the kind that hunt the samefaction you get to chase your mark any were? Alot of bh don't hunt the same faction why should they be pinished andone that hunt the same that beat their marks have no worrys of there marks running into a faction base? That is why its a topissue, its not fair to ones that don't hunt same faction.
Your calling me dumb and your trying to say a persons house is the same as a GCW base thats part of the PVE and PVP game. Players have a choice to choose a faction. They have a choice to go combatant or special forces. So what your saying is just because the bounty hunter profession can do player missions, people should be locked out of content because of it? Tef for houses or personal structures is fine. But a public structure like faction bases are public. Just like attacking someone in the Theed cantina. Its a public structure. You can enter it if you want. Just like you can enter the faction base if you choose.
Here is some helpfull tips if a jedi runs into a base on you. Instead of crying and saying waaa make jedi not be able to enter bases do this.
1. Keep 200 faction of the opposite side and 200 of your own. Swap factions if they go in the base then go back.
2. Hunt your own faction.
3. Go in with a group and kill all the npc to get the jedi in the base.
4. Go do something and try again later. Or delete the mission.
You know jedi PVP. I am sure all jedi can relate to this. You are pvping against alot of people. Some BH shoots and you have a tef. Nobody in your group can help you vs the special forces or the BH. Now you have all special forces players and BH's trying to kill you. If there is a faction base close its your only hope of survival. It's not fair to expect jedi to be locked out of their faction bases. Yes it sucks when they run into them but deal with it. GCW is part of this game. It has been part of this game before BH's were taking player missions. While player missions are a part of this game, it doesnt mean its the only part of the game. Realize that and deal with it.
VegitoSS wrote:
LordDraconis wrote:
VegitoSS wrote:
Sundal wrote:
VegitoSS wrote:
Jedi going into faction bases is NOT a top issue. If they are special forces or combatant they have every right to enter a base. If you want to get them either hunt your own faction or kill the npc to get in.
First off if a jedi is special forces he has to fight S.F. players and BH's at the same time. Locking him out of his own faction base is just plain stupid. Why dont the jedi just go prone and let everyone kill him.
This is a problem. Some people roleplay and dont want to hunt thier own faction. And on some server it is widely look down upon to hunt your own faction.
From the game/story point of view you choose a faction and your *supposed* toparticipate in the GCW. It's obviously not working that way, but still, thats the way the game mechanic's supposed to work.
Roleplay or not, its just not right to force someone out of their own faction bases just because you want to hunt them. The GCW is part of this game and just because a BH wants to take a mission doesnt mean a person must give up their faction ability because of it. A jedi running into a faction base while combatant or S.F. is just part of the game. If you dont want to hunt same faction then you can always fight your way into the base GCW style. Dont expect the GCW to hand the jedi over to you on a silver platter just because you want to hunt jedi.
Please remove this from top five issues for BH's. There are many others I listed, similar to what others are saying, that need attention. KD bug is a valid top issue. Going into a faction base is just something that pissed a BH off because he couldnt get his/her mark. Far from being anyones top issue. Also, there is nothing you can do to stop a jedi from entering a house. Strike that out of the top issue too. And for the states... That effects everyone so its not a BH top issue.
Message Edited by VegitoSS on 10-10-2005 11:03 PM
I see so house tef is ok but faction base is off the books? Why should a jedi be able to run into any housing. As for fighting all the npc....what are you dumb or somthing faction bases have a ton of npc in them a lone bh taking on 30 npc just to get to his mark is stupid. Faction bases are housing (don't try to suger coat it saying......oh its part of the GCW...) If you are SF thats your choice....you are still going to be hunted by bh and also you let your self get attacked by any other SF enemy.
Why should abh that doesn't hunt his own factionnot be able to get his mark but if you are the kind that hunt the samefaction you get to chase your mark any were? Alot of bh don't hunt the same faction why should they be punished andone that hunt the same that beat their marks have no worrys of there marks running into a faction base? That is why its a topissue, its not fair to ones that don't hunt same faction.
Your calling me dumb and your trying to say a persons house is the same as a GCW base thats part of the PVE and PVP game. Players have a choice to choose a faction. They have a choice to go combatant or special forces. So what your saying is just because the bounty hunter profession can do player missions, people should be locked out of content because of it? Tef for houses or personal structures is fine. But a public structure like faction bases are public. Just like attacking someone in the Theed cantina. Its a public structure. You can enter it if you want. Just like you can enter the faction base if you choose.
Here is some helpfull tips if a jedi runs into a base on you. Instead of crying and saying waaa make jedi not be able to enter bases do this.
1. Keep 200 faction of the opposite side and 200 of your own. Swap factions if they go in the base then go back.
2. Hunt your own faction.
3. Go in with a group and kill all the npc to get the jedi in the base.
4. Go do something and try again later. Or delete the mission.
You know jedi PVP. I am sure all jedi can relate to this. You are pvping against alot of people. Some BH shoots and you have a tef. Nobody in your group can help you vs the special forces or the BH. Now you have all special forces players and BH's trying to kill you. If there is a faction base close its your only hope of survival. It's not fair to expect jedi to be locked out of their faction bases. Yes it sucks when they run into them but deal with it. GCW is part of this game. It has been part of this game before BH's were taking player missions. While player missions are a part of this game, it doesnt mean its the only part of the game. Realize that and deal with it.
Well as a jedi you know you are gonna be hunted I don't see why this shocks you so much when you PvP....you are getting a ton of vis thus you will be hunted sooner or later. If a bh attacks youwhile PvP well thats to bad, its just like when a bh attacks you while you are spining a lair hes attacking when you are weaken or low on force which is good tactics, deal with it.
Like I said before it was your choice to go SF and knew the risk. However, not only SF going into thefaction bases.......alot of jedi run then they could talk to the recuiter then just go in after 30 seconds. No reason to punish bh that do "NOT" hunt there own faction that is why this is a issue.
Message Edited by LordDraconis on 10-10-2005 10:58 PM
Good List
SamousNemo wrote:
Howdy guys
It's the habit of Correspondents to ask their player base for what they think are the Top Issues affecting their profession. Generally we only do this when asked by the Devs, but it's a good idea to have an updated list in case they should ask.
So now is your opportunity to let your Corro know what you feel are the Top Issues affecting Bounty Hunters. There's a whole bunch out there, but try to stick to profession-specific, i.e. don't say "My CM dots are too weak" as that would be a Combat Medic issue. Feel free to also list possible solutions to these issues.
I'll start it off with what I think are our Top Issues:
1) Duel Exploit: Currently if a Jedi attempts to /duel a Bounty Hunter, the system will let him know if the hunter has his bounty. Needless to say this completely negates the element of surprise, stalking, and first strike
2) Faction Bases: Jedi can enter factional structures while the BH TEF is active. The Devs have acknowledged this as an issue
3) House-Bounties: A large percentage of our bounties are located inside structures. It doesn't do us much good to waste much of our time running from planet to planet to find a target we can't even get to. I do not approve of removing any player from a structure they are already in, or shooting through walls, or allowing aBHto enterabounty's home. HoweverI still think an alternative needs to be found
4) Warp-Marks: Waypoints for NPC marks do not update for several minutes, and then suddenly the mark will be thousands of meters away
5) Broken States: Dizzy should decrease offensive abilities and Stun should prevent action regeneration. Although this is a trans-profession issue, it hurts Bounty Hunters specifically as it makes Confusion Shot severely under-powered
6) Duelist Stance:is reflecting back a fixed amount of 25 damage only. Suggest a % of damage taken (10-25%)
Our old Top Issues thread can be foundhere
Those are just my ideas, so let me here yours
Good hunting!
Message Edited by SamousNemo on 10-10-2005 10:00 PM
, The main one I hate is the duel exploit. There needs to be a check mark option like group invites to decline duels automatically.....THE KD BUG
can't forget that one!
Houses are a problem, also places that you can only get into after completing a quest. I had a jedi do that to me today.
Having a friend DB them, to the point if they are overt they will call on someone of the opposite faction to to go overt and try to steal the DB.
Oh and can't forget, we're under powered, patheticly under powered.
3) House-Bounties: A large percentage of our bounties are located inside structures. It doesn't do us much good to waste much of our time running from planet to planet to find a target we can't even get to. I do not approve of removing any player from a structure they are already in, or shooting through walls, or allowing aBHto enterabounty's home. HoweverI still think an alternative needs to be found
I have to place a question to you.
Did you ever asked yourself, why does one jedi hide himself? Is he scared like...something, or is he lazy and does not want to fight BH? Ye, sometimes, mostly rarely. Your Target is scared to lose xp. Nothing more. nothing less.
You want to see jedi that will stay and fight and try to win against you? Give him a pay for risk. Why don't BH lose xp, eg? Or even why does JEdi have to lose xp in first place?
XP lost is thing of the past, of the times when devs thought they can controll Jedi population through it. And... they failed.
So, it is time to rethink it. What does jedi lose when he or she dies? XP. What does BH lose when he dies? Nothing. What does jedi gain through BH death? nothing. What BH gains? Cash.
So, why don't we make equal game. Everyone talks about risk vs. reward. We have 2 posibilities. Punish bad BH or remove XP loss on jedi.
If XP loss would be removed, i promise you, that you will all expirience at least 4-10x more fights as you do now.
*shrug* Ah, why do i write it, none cares about anyway...
VegitoSS wrote:
Your calling me dumb and your trying to say a persons house is the same as a GCW base thats part of the PVE and PVP game. Players have a choice to choose a faction. They have a choice to go combatant or special forces. So what your saying is just because the bounty hunter profession can do player missions, people should be locked out of content because of it? Tef for houses or personal structures is fine. But a public structure like faction bases are public. Just like attacking someone in the Theed cantina. Its a public structure. You can enter it if you want. Just like you can enter the faction base if you choose.
Here is some helpfull tips if a jedi runs into a base on you. Instead of crying and saying waaa make jedi not be able to enter bases do this.
1. Keep 200 faction of the opposite side and 200 of your own. Swap factions if they go in the base then go back.
2. Hunt your own faction.
3. Go in with a group and kill all the npc to get the jedi in the base.
4. Go do something and try again later. Or delete the mission.
You know jedi PVP. I am sure all jedi can relate to this. You are pvping against alot of people. Some BH shoots and you have a tef. Nobody in your group can help you vs the special forces or the BH. Now you have all special forces players and BH's trying to kill you. If there is a faction base close its your only hope of survival. It's not fair to expect jedi to be locked out of their faction bases. Yes it sucks when they run into them but deal with it. GCW is part of this game. It has been part of this game before BH's were taking player missions. While player missions are a part of this game, it doesnt mean its the only part of the game. Realize that and deal with it.
Howdy guys
It's the habit of Correspondents to ask their player base for what they think are the Top Issues affecting their profession. Generally we only do this when asked by the Devs, but it's a good idea to have an updated list in case they should ask.
So now is your opportunity to let your Corro know what you feel are the Top Issues affecting Bounty Hunters. There's a whole bunch out there, but try to stick to profession-specific, i.e. don't say "My CM dots are too weak" as that would be a Combat Medic issue. Feel free to also list possible solutions to these issues.
I'll start it off with what I think are our Top Issues:
1) Duel Exploit: Currently if a Jedi attempts to /duel a Bounty Hunter, the system will let him know if the hunter has his bounty. Needless to say this completely negates the element of surprise, stalking, and first strike
2) Faction Bases: Jedi can enter factional structures while the BH TEF is active. The Devs have acknowledged this as an issue
3) House-Bounties: A large percentage of our bounties are located inside structures. It doesn't do us much good to waste much of our time running from planet to planet to find a target we can't even get to. I do not approve of removing any player from a structure they are already in, or shooting through walls, or allowing a BH to enter a bounty's home. However I still think an alternative needs to be found
4) Warp-Marks: Waypoints for NPC marks do not update for several minutes, and then suddenly the mark will be thousands of meters away
5) Broken States: Dizzy should decrease offensive abilities and Stun should prevent action regeneration. Although this is a trans-profession issue, it hurts Bounty Hunters specifically as it makes Confusion Shot severely under-powered
6) Duelist Stance: is reflecting back a fixed amount of 25 damage only. Suggest a % of damage taken (10-25%)
Our old Top Issues thread can be found here
Those are just my ideas, so let me here yours
Good hunting!
Message Edited by SamousNemo on 10-10-2005 10:00 PM
-Samous Nemo; Dirty, Lowlife, Bounty Hunter Scum
Well i think you got the top issues right
and in the right order. bases would be the top issue because even post cu jedi use it to help them in a fight, at least the devs now.keep it up and dont lisern to the bias jedi and there alts.
5 stars
Here are my top issues (unsorted) :
- Duel exploit removing effect of surprise
- Kashyyyk : Though it doesnt seem fashionable anymore totalk aboutthis : seeker droids not working on Kashyyyk is an issue. It's annoying to pick a mission, go to spynet guy, launch arakyd, get buffed, and then receive the Kashyyyk message. If they really don't want us to be able to track our marks on Kashyyyk, they could at least add a filter in the mission creation system, so that Jedi who are currently on Kashyyyk do not show on the mission terminal
- Factional bases used as shelters during fights
- Space : we can't attack our marks in space. Why not add a filter in the mission creation system, so that Jedi who are currently in space do not show on the mission terminal ? It would save us time and energy.
- Marks AFK in private structures
Message Edited by Neekocha on 10-11-2005 12:40 PM
1. Remove Kashyyk and house sitters from the terminals. If a jedi has sat in the same place WITHIN a structure for more than 15 minutes their mission should be tagged as unplayable, as should any jedi on kashyyyk.
2. Remove XP from Kashyyyk completely. If it's to be a content planet, XP should not be included.
3. Jedi on forcerun1 and snared should be relegated to what the snare effect is to a normal player. Forcerun2 and Forcerun3 are escape skills, forcerun1 is being used to circumvent snares.
4. Fix burstrun delays/bugs that occur after using first burstrun. I can't count the times that my burstrun cooldown has completed and I've hit burstrun to catch up again only for it not to fire off. Then as soon as I get on a bike to catch the jedi that has now increased the distance my burstrun will fire off and be wasted.
5. Fix duel exploit
6. Fix Jedi getting rides from friends in multipassenger vehicles.
7. Fix factional bases - allow bh to go in unhindered if maintaining the bh/jedi tef
8. Fix confusion shot, it's utterly worthless
9. Fix dueliststance - it's decent against high level ranged professions and npc's however is practically worthless against jedi. Bump the resist effects to 500 to be more in-line with CoB and Aura abilities.
10. Fix "Cannot Knockdown Recovery While Knocked Down" Bug. It is NOT relegated to using Macros.
11. Fix timers on saberthrow KD. A jedi can kd me 3 times to every once I can them with chargeshot or underhand shot. This is out of balance. All KD timers need to be the same across the board.
12. If healing is going to be "nerfed" the action cost modifier on some shots needs to be lessened slightly. KD Recovery as well should not cost 1/4th action to achieve.
13. Increase bleed tick slightly on torso shot, it currently is worthless as well.
14. Add a 30 minute timer on each mission to prevent Bounty Hunters from pulling the same jedi mission over and over if BH completes, aborts or fails jedi's mission. I pulled the same "endor space" jedi 4 times in a row yesterday, and the same "house sitter" 3 times in a row after it. This is highly frustrating and a loss of money with no return on droids.
15. BALANCE Health Buff crystal from the village. I do not believe it was intended to give the user 5-6k ham in the new system. It should be 500-750 health added, not 2k.
LordDraconis wrote:
Well as a jedi you know you are gonna be hunted I don't see why this shocks you so much when you PvP....you are getting a ton of vis thus you will be hunted sooner or later. If a bh attacks youwhile PvP well thats to bad, its just like when a bh attacks you while you are spining a lair hes attacking when you are weaken or low on force which is good tactics, deal with it.
Like I said before it was your choice to go SF and knew the risk. However, not only SF going into thefaction bases.......alot of jedi run then they could talk to the recuiter then just go in after 30 seconds. No reason to punish bh that do "NOT" hunt there own faction that is why this is a issue.
Message Edited by LordDraconis on 10-10-200510:58 PM