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i'd be so gone, except maybe if they turned the FRS back on. I have a jedi and a bh, and the jedi gets played about 2 percent of the time, if that. It is so much more fun to kill a jedi with my bh than to sit around doing nothing with my jedi. PVP is a joke, the GCW is a joke, i got enough of creature hunting while grinding my jedi, bh is the best class to get loot with, and i could honestly not care any less about the kashyyyk content or jtl. I have been to probably every poi, and though i didnt do the themeparks, they were boredom personified when i was doing them. THe only challenge in this game left atm is hunting jedi.Take that out, and i am gone, been here since july 03, andi'd be gone.

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awentwor wrote:

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Nathanielstarr wrote:

I would. There would be nothing challenging to do.

To me the only reason to get the best of the best equipment is so that you can compete with other players. Even in high end PvE you only need good equipment (not great).

So unless jedi hunting was replace with a viable galactic civil war there would be nothing for me to do and I would not be able to justify the monthly fee.

I ask this because thats what Jedi are pushing for now. They just don't want to be hunted at all. I could see this happening. Basically they'll complain and use griefing (which is almost impossible now) as the reason to remove it.

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I would be pushing for it too... but I think that is what SOE has in mind. The fights between a Jedi and the dreaded MCM, MBH, 0004 Pistols BH FOTM template is heavily sided in the favor of the bounty hunter as it is. Add in the perma-snare that is coming with the expansion and there is 0 chance of Jedi defeating this FOTM template after that. Let's take a look at the upcoming changes:

1) Nerfing Force Run / Burst run with the perma-snare so Jedi cannot get away anymore
2) Nerfs to cloak
3) Upcoming increases to mind / action costs when using force abilities
4) Sabers are in-line (if not lower) than other profession weapons
5) Pearls / Crystal nerfs and SOE refusal to fix them (as stated by Tiggs... premiums will NOT be returning)

And this is just the start. Every patch seems to have more nerfs to Jedi. Now let's ask ourselves... are Jedi really overpowered against the FOTM BH templates? Not at all. So why continue nerfing them?

Simple answer... SOE is making them just like any other profession. It has been coming slowly and gradually... but the end conclusion is the same. Once that happens... there is no longer a justification to continue allowing forced pvp against another *normal* profession.

Just my thoughts on the subject... though I no longer play a Jedi due to all the stupid nerfs that have come down the pike that has made being a Jedi simply boring.

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Well know you template, I know jedi that wiped the floor with BH/MCM temps. The BH/MCM temp is to counter the Master Defender jeditemplate, because that is what must jedi have at least master or 3 or 2 trees in it. I could give you tips on how totake a MCM/BH temp, but I'll let you figure that out yourself.Guess what if you are BH/MCM you have alot of disadvanages, try to figure out what they are......

My advice to you is to learn to fight thisBH temp and stop whining about it. Jedi is not a normal profession and never will be, as it stands they are still more powerful then most normal profession. However, you feel just because you are a jedi you "MUST" be more powerful then all the normal temps. Sorry but I don't really want to rely on a jedi to be a tank that's why Melee full temps are better or matched to some jedi templates.

Not all jedi temps are made to betanks, however most jedi feel thatpowers/healer/enchancer should have some innate armor.Look those are support roles, so if you pick to be MLS/MP/Healer 4/x/x/x/ YOU are a support fighter not a tank like a master defender.That is why you get killed so quick or hurt badly when hit, so its all on you how to make your template.Learn to use you templateand make the best of it.

You can make a good post cu saber it just takes time, if you rushed into jedi then you would have a hard time getting crystals or pearls, my advice is to get all the stuff you want for you jedi BEFORE you turn jedi. Also you have a extra toon once you turn jedi which is nice. Take that toon and get stuff for your jedi. If you want money make him into a crafter. Yes all of this is a pain in the butt however thats what you have to do, just stop trying to find a easy botton SOE stated that becoming a jedi would be hard not easy. Grinding and making a good saber factors into this.

Pre-CU days are over. You will never be able to take 5 BH at a time anymore just deal with it. You are not gonna be made a powerful uber class that can kill anything with ease. Nerfs are bad I agree but just suck it up and move on learn how to adapt to them.

I was a master bounty hunter before there were jedi. no reason to quit just become a jedi so you can fight in the JEDI GCW

I would definetely not quit the game if jedi hunting were removed, I might very well drop BH, but certainly not the game. Too much other good stuff to do.

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Phaelyn wrote:

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Nathanielstarr wrote:

I would. There would be nothing challenging to do.

To me the only reason to get the best of the best equipment is so that you can compete with other players. Even in high end PvE you only need good equipment (not great).

So unless jedi hunting was replace with a viable galactic civil war there would be nothing for me to do and I would not be able to justify the monthly fee.

I ask this because thats what Jedi are pushing for now. They just don't want to be hunted at all. I could see this happening. Basically they'll complain and use griefing (which is almost impossible now) as the reason to remove it.

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Actually, many many more Jedi have been asking for the removal of Jedi from the GCW as a whole and to give us a meaningful FRS. A Light vs Dark war if you will. That would please the GCW community greatly, I should think.

Personally, The Light/Dark war coupled with BH after us gives everyone the best possible options. Everyone would be able to fight in the GCW without Jedi interference, Jedi would have a purpose, and BH would have the best of both worlds - GCW AND jedi missions...

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robpro wrote:

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Phaelyn wrote:

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Nathanielstarr wrote:

I would. There would be nothing challenging to do.

To me the only reason to get the best of the best equipment is so that you can compete with other players. Even in high end PvE you only need good equipment (not great).

So unless jedi hunting was replace with a viable galactic civil war there would be nothing for me to do and I would not be able to justify the monthly fee.

I ask this because thats what Jedi are pushing for now. They just don't want to be hunted at all. I could see this happening. Basically they'll complain and use griefing (which is almost impossible now) as the reason to remove it.

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Actually, many many more Jedi have been asking for the removal of Jedi from the GCW as a whole and to give us a meaningful FRS. A Light vs Dark war if you will. That would please the GCW community greatly, I should think.

Personally, The Light/Dark war coupled with BH after us gives everyone the best possible options. Everyone would be able to fight in the GCW without Jedi interference, Jedi would have a purpose, and BH would have the best of both worlds - GCW AND jedi missions...

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Sounds good untill you get the jedi that wants to be in the FRS but dont want to PvP with the enemy jedi. Same problem as the bh vs jedi set up now. they became jedi knowing they would be hunted by bounty hunters than after becoming jedi they want to change the rules so they dont / cant be hunted.

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OhBuggah wrote:

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LordDraconis wrote:

My advice to you is to learn to fight this BH temp and stop whining about it. Jedi is not a normal profession and never will be, as it stands they are still more powerful then most normal profession. However, you feel just because you are a jedi you "MUST" be more powerful then all the normal temps. Sorry but I don't really want to rely on a jedi to be a tank that's why Melee full temps are better or matched to some jedi templates.

Not all jedi temps are made to be tanks, however most jedi feel that powers/healer/enchancer should have some innate armor. Look those are support roles, so if you pick to be MLS/MP/Healer 4/x/x/x/ YOU are a support fighter not a tank like a master defender. That is why you get killed so quick or hurt badly when hit, so its all on you how to make your template. Learn to use you template and make the best of it.

You can make a good post cu saber it just takes time, if you rushed into jedi then you would have a hard time getting crystals or pearls, my advice is to get all the stuff you want for you jedi BEFORE you turn jedi. Also you have a extra toon once you turn jedi which is nice. Take that toon and get stuff for your jedi. If you want money make him into a crafter. Yes all of this is a pain in the butt however thats what you have to do, just stop trying to find a easy botton SOE stated that becoming a jedi would be hard not easy. Grinding and making a good saber factors into this.

Pre-CU days are over. You will never be able to take 5 BH at a time anymore just deal with it. You are not gonna be made a powerful uber class that can kill anything with ease. Nerfs are bad I agree but just suck it up and move on learn how to adapt to them.

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the way to counter the MBH/MCM template is with force speed 2, force sap, and a good saber with really, really good pearls (pre-CU pearls). speed is the key. the reason why so many jedi are having problems with the MBH/MCM template is because most Jedi are FotM M.Defenders/M.Sabers. these jedi do not have the right skills to kill an MBH/MCM.

on my server in the past couple of weeks i've noticed a trend: i've caught FotM jedi re-grinding their templates to include force speed 2 and force sap. they've finally wised up and are adapting to these MCM bounty hunters.

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Perhaps, but the MLS box grants +45 to speed, on top of their respective LS use branch. that's two improved force speeds and then +5. So to be effective against a MCM, I need an ability that's gonna give me +20 more speed on top of the +45 I got. So if anyone is not MLS, even with force speed two, they are even more screwed than just a MLS user.

Force sap: It's a decent skill, but stick rate is horrid, and it's not really that great of an ability. (it just makes paralyize be used more) and draws out the fight even longer. There were hopes with sap, however, with the healing nerf change, but they have decided to remove the healing nerf.. May as well grind out the MLS box and get force speed 2.

Sabers: So any post-cu jedi is pretty much screwed on this part, as not only is the dam nearly pathetic (especially against ab sliced armor), but action, speed, the hidden mind cost to swing the damn thing, and force cost will kill the jedi as well. In order to get MLS, I sacraficed defender trees and got Force armor.. But with a post-cu saber, 5 minutes of swinging and I'm out of force, and half drained on mind, just from the damned saber. (not counting healing actions/force abilities) Then add on the 8% force cost of the bh hitting me nearly every damned second. (100 dam=8 force) And I'm screwed in about two minutes.

So for a jedi without a pre-cu saber, mdef is nearly as a necessity as a MLS..

My strategy to use before running out of force? Wail on the damned mbh/mcm like hell, smart ones use stims as well so they don't bork their mind.. Pray for a KD at a oppertune time.. Yes, a power hit might just kill him... WTH he slides 20 feet..well maybe he'll get KD bugged..nope..

Granted I do somehow get their mind down, /paralze.. watch their mind regin, /snared (with upcoming change) I'll never get close enough to touch them, even with my own /snare, my /root will be broken by the time I catch up to them in my 2 minute snare.. cept for my saber throw every 4 (4!) seconds, granted they stay within 32m. Then they /root me, cycle continues till they are about full mind, and I'm.. crap, outta force.

/channel,
/force cloak
/receive abuse from bh

A few things could change this: the healing nerf needed to stay in, (remember this affected jedi as well, as it stands our heals take no action at all, just mind) or pearls/crystals get fixed, For heavens sake they could fix the fact our sabers still just use base speed and not our modded speed..

With the upcoming snare changes, basicly it's only a MDEF now who will have the chance to even last the longest. (Yes, I know about rancor aid, 14 filling that only lasts one minute in a fight that already can go on for over an hour, I'm gonna be full in about 5 minutes. (with the other foods/drinks we're almost required to use)

I'd just like one of the above things i mentioned to be put in, then perhaps some balance might come, because with the upcoming changes, the weakest templete against mcm/mbh (MLS/MDEF) will be the ones who can stand the longest in this situation.

Even my 2 pre-cu jedi's will be in hurt from the snare changes, the time I spend close to any BH with them is a nightmare though, because they actually have decent pearls and a saber that converted to a level no post-cu jedi can assemble, ever.

Message Edited by Maxil on 10-19-2005 03:45 AM

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awentwor wrote:

BUT with the upcoming perma-snares it's over for Jedi. Fights will go like this...

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there is a snare resist drink coming out according to the chef forums. Will be interesting to see what kind of filling it will have...

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Phaelyn wrote:

Well, I just don't see this overwhelming number of Jedi who want out of PvP altogether - Most Jedi soundly deride those that DO say these things. Most Jedi don't mind the hunt, and just want to stop the complaints of the GCW crowd by asking to be removed from THAT area of PvP, NOT to eliminate PvP entirely.

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Exactly. Every jedi in our guild welcome bh coming after them. In the end it's like this. The carebear jedi whiners are the same guys who had it easy post cu andgot spoiled by theway of double xp, respecs, and ryatt trails to attain their title.

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xakia wrote:

I remember having alot more fun before the Jedi were added to the game. SOE took out variety by adding Jedi. Everyones a freaking Jedi....

PVP Game was at its climax just after the Commando fix. Oh man...great times.

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/agree. Nothing like getting instant emails about an impending attack on your guild, or allies bases. Soon after a rush of 70 plus people would turn out. Fun times. Soon after, as more and more people went Jedi, the turnout numbers became fewer and fewer. The usual excuse back then was.. DOOD, my holo is silent, I gots no time for that now bruh ! btw, mind if I can have 25k hide so I can grind this last box man? lol

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Nathanielstarr wrote:

I would. There would be nothing challenging to do.

To me the only reason to get the best of the best equipment is so that you can compete with other players. Even in high end PvE you only need good equipment (not great).

So unless jedi hunting was replace with a viable galactic civil war there would be nothing for me to do and I would not be able to justify the monthly fee.

I ask this because thats what Jedi are pushing for now. They just don't want to be hunted at all. I could see this happening. Basically they'll complain and use griefing (which is almost impossible now) as the reason to remove it.

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/agree I would be long gone for the exact same reasons you state.

Just a comment from a Jedi.. Bounty missions need to be increased. Put names back on and allow ganking again. Give jedi a reason to stay off the terms and maybe we can have some form of decent GCW again.